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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Highlander on May 10, 2010, 23:07:00 PM
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There is more than one thread running on the election and the aftermath of same.
Can I suggest that we continue the discussion here under one thread.
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The idea that we could end up with a government made up of two parties which lost seats, with an unelected Prime Minister voting through changes to the electoral system without consulting the people seems to me to be the worst of all outcomes.
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I don't go along with the idea that people actually voted for a hung parliament or coalition, they voted for who they thought would make a difference in their opinion.
The Lib Dem slogans in the run up were along the lines of 'Time for a Change' now there is a possibility they are going to jump into bed with the Labour party, so no change there then,
if the lib dems team up with labour they stiil dont hold enough seats to make a government, so whats the point?
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As a Conservative hater even I have to wonder what the hell Brown is on about, he says he's doing his bit to ensure a strong government is put in place. His strong government is of course his party and the LibDems. But that won't be enough so they need the SNP. And the SDLP. Apparently they might need "the Green" too.
Doesn't sound particularly strong to me [:o]
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Brown's move had the immediate effect of forcing Cameron to raise his offer on electoral change to a free vote in Parliament on putting it to a referendum. I am surprised that he persuaded his backbenchers to go along with this. But then two thirds of them are newnies and they are not rebelling - yet. But I expect Norman Tebbit and Michael Howard are currently sharpening their knives waiting a suitable moment to stick them into Cameron's back in the dark of night - their time.
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Originally posted by Highlander
with an unelected Prime Minister voting through changes to the electoral system without consulting the people seems to me to be the worst of all outcomes.
Surely the Idea is to consult the people via a referendum before making any amendments to the voting system. with both the Torys (out of desperation) and Labour both offering a referendum, labour is seen as the party most likely to act if the electorate vote for electoral change, a course of action which would be denied us by the Torys.
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I have an idea. Let them choose the party who will act on electoral reform the quickest, then change the law, then have a fresh election. That might be interesting :)
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My thoughts exactly.
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A hung parliment and a coalition did not work before, it will not work this time. I predict another election before the end of the year.. Wonder what the odds are at the bookies?
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I think Nick Clegg has got as much out of the Tories on PR as he can - and has shown he is not as green as he is cabbage-looking (to quote Lewis from the other night). Con-Lib deal by the end of the afternoon/early evening?
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Con-Lib deal and got rid of Brown to boot? Good 24 hours work that ;)
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My daughter suggested that they declare the election null and void and run the whole shooting match again in 4 weeks time.
Now that we seen what each of the three main parties are really like (or at least have been give a glimpse of what they are really like)and what they are each willing to give or not give, is that such a bad idea.
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All this is caused by an election that resulted in a hung parliament. The two possible solutions both involve agreement to bring in voting reform, to a system that almost exclusively results in hung parliaments. It might be progress, but it might also be ludicrous. I might watch Home and Away instead.
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The latest rumour is that Clegg has got some movement on fairer income tax with no tax on first £10,000 of earnings - but what and when it is we will have to wait to find out. Things are getting better and better. Soon, it seems, we will have the second unelected PM in a row.
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Colwyn I didn't think that the electorate ever chose a PM.
Nick Clegg needs to get as much as he can out of these negotiations as once the deal is done the Lib Dems effectively emasculate themselves from persuing the implementation of policies from their manifesto which are at odds with the Tories'
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Labour MP Kate Hoey told Sky News that the party should forget ideas of weak coalitions or alliances and accept that they lost - get themselves across to opposition and sort themselves out and aim for better times with a new leader at the next election, which might not be too far away.
At last, someone in the Labour Party seems to be in touch with something approaching reality :D
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Totally agree:D
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Agree totally:D
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Quite right, Chinook. You can't elect the PM and you can't even elect the person who will become PM unless you happen to live in their constituency. Which I never have. I was merely stirring up the Tories who have been bleating that Brown was unelected. They have their own "unelected" PM now there by virtue of the fact that his party didn't lose by as much as the other parties did.
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They could sidestep such accusations by making Nick Clegg the unelected PM :D
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Trouble with Lib Dems, All image - no substance.as proven by seats. Wonderful piece of political blackmail though- would't even talk to Labour until Brown through his hand in.I'm with Scunner. I hate Conservatism. just wish the whole bloody country had been more decisive.
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Looks like it is now Cameron moving into no 10, in my view not the best for economical stability but should be good for the very rich and with libdem maybe for the poor.
David
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Very impressive resignation speech from Gordon Brown and excellent of him to mention the troops in his moment of personal defeat.
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A Tsunami of Gush
Brown is now travelling by Government car to The Palace to tender his resignation (does he have to come back by non-governmental taxi?). He made his public resignation speech before setting off. Did he have to go on and on about his deep love for his wife and children before giving those wonderful words "Thankyou and goodbye". Perhaps he did. Anyway, goodbye.
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I disagree Colwyn but love "A Tsunami of Gush" - wonderful :)
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Originally posted by Colwyn
A Tsunami of Gush
Brown is now travelling by Government car to The Palace to tender his resignation (does he have to come back by non-governmental taxi?). He made his public resignation speech before setting off. Did he have to go on and on about his deep love for his wife and children before giving those wonderful words "Thankyou and goodbye". Perhaps he did. Anyway, goodbye.
I think he was right to mention those closest to him and reminds us that there are sometimes more important things in life irrespective of our views of him and the job he has done. I respect that decision
and I am sure he will have realised there is more to life than politics and an indication that he will have a career change.
David
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Can you imagine the negotiations of the last two days. Nick Clegg is like the boy at school that was picked on endlessly by everyone, who suddenly won a competition for him and a friend of his choice to have a holiday at Disneyland. Yuk.
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Ah Yes! Rodney Trotter winner of the under 15s painting competiton
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Gordon's not in the Groovy Gang :-\
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no he was leader of the gravy gang:D
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We should be grateful that the guy that walked up to Cameron's car was carrying a Kodak and not an AK-47.
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Can't beleive they cancelled Eastenders for it! thats a few more votes lost.
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Cancelled??? Cancelled???? They said it would be on after this....When did they cancel it?? I'm sick of politics as it is - I WANT EASTENDERS!!!
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Originally posted by Highlander
We should be grateful that the guy that walked up to Cameron's car was carrying a Kodak and not an AK-47.
Why ;) ;)
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I have this image of Prince Philip sitting in his dressing gown with a dram in his hand and his feet up watching Celebrity Wife Swap while his missus gets on with her constitutional duties
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Originally posted by Highlander
I disagree Colwyn but love "A Tsunami of Gush" - wonderful :)
I was composing my message whilst you were posting yours. Having read your generous comments I am feeling rather churlish. I am contrite.
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In all of this I feel most sorry for the Queen.
Imagine settling down with your cuppa and switching on to Eastenders to find see David Cameron on his way to your gaffe - boy would I peeved. ;)
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At least they had the respect to suspend it so Ma'am didn't miss tonight's episode.
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Ah but she knew that that was going to happen, when, just a few minutes earlier, she'd seen Gordan and the missus pulling up outside! I bet she had to run and dress for the occasion! I hate visitors without a bit of notice (specially two lots in one evening!!!) :D
I'm not a Gordan Brown fan, but thought it was good for him to point out that there are more important things in life than a job!! No matter how important that job is. :)
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Whatever happened to that good old British tradition of fair play ? At the very least give the man/men a chance ! It was the only workable compromise and a gauntlet shared ! Good luck to all who sail in her....
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and whatever happened to GordON... ?
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It is a hair brained scheme which has only one thing in it's favour, the fact that it is marginally less hair brained than the alternative possibility, the Lib/Lab coalition. Give a Tory a chance? Never! I could have taken it better if I'd just watched Norman Tebbit becoming PM. At least you can understand an old man wanting things to be like they were yesterday forever more, we are now governed by a young man who prefers things the way they were a hundred years ago, God help us. Let this awkward marriage fall apart soon!
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I wonder if it's been consummated yet.
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Yesterday afternoon and twice this morning
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Is that Mary Hopkin I hear signing in the background.
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These agreements must be officially ratified. She must have a really scratchy pen if you can hear that.
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Anyone think that Gordon may have one eye on a peerage ;)
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Nice one H! And, Keith whatever did that nice Tory member for Leighton Buzzard do to you ? I think we should be told !
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I only really remember the previous Tory in LB, although remembering is probably pushing it. I never once saw him, in fact never once saw him in the House of Commons on tv let alone get up and say something. Not bad for a man who was MP for a total of 31 years.
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So does Cameron really have the backbone, can he really make the right judgement and does the really have the character to deal with the BA Strike.
Should be an interesting confrontation in the early days of his tenure.
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Originally posted by davidzz
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Originally posted by Colwyn
A Tsunami of Gush
Brown is now travelling by Government car to The Palace to tender his resignation (does he have to come back by non-governmental taxi?). He made his public resignation speech before setting off. Did he have to go on and on about his deep love for his wife and children before giving those wonderful words "Thankyou and goodbye". Perhaps he did. Anyway, goodbye.
I think he was right to mention those closest to him and reminds us that there are sometimes more important things in life irrespective of our views of him and the job he has done. I respect that decision
and I am sure he will have realised there is more to life than politics and an indication that he will have a career change.
David
Yeh - and a gold plated pension!
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In 2012 will we be allowing third place athletes the decision on who gets the gold medal?
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In athletics you have to cross the line to win. Its no good in 100 metres race saying I got to 90 metres before I fell over and you only got to 75 metres so - really - I won the 100 metres race. Nobody gets a medal.
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I notice today the figures for unemployment have been released and they are up with youth unemployment highest since records began, funny that they are released a few days after the election. Brown the great chancellor who sold our gold at the bottom of the market,which effected the pounds value hence the record petrol prices the only thing he did which saved this country money was to shut the door after he left number ten.
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Let's see what know how and experience George Osborne has to give to the financial well being of our country. His degree in Modern History should help with balancing the books I'm sure. To see them all today - Cameron, Clegg, Hague, Osborne - they are like the higher level people that get sent over from head office that none of us know what they actually do. But they want to be seen to have a laugh as much as the next man - and do, but it's obvious they haven't a bloody clue what the joke is :D
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And Gordon Brown's Phd was in....[?]
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Gordon Brown was an MP when Osborne was 12. Our fragile economy has been passed into the hands of a fast tracked hooray henry who has experience of...nothing? Like I say, let's see how his experience helps him pull us out of this World crisis :)
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Originally posted by Scunner
Gordon Brown was an MP when Osborne was 12. Our fragile economy has been passed into the hands of a fast tracked hooray henry who has experience of...nothing? Like I say, let's see how his experience helps him pull us out of this World crisis :)
I take it that'll be after he digs us out of the bloody great hole that Brown has got us into ;) and if being older is a qualification then I should be PM :D
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Coalition, seeing Clegg and Cameron standing next to each other outside No10 I was struck by how similar they were in appearance.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Gordon Brown was an MP when Osborne was 12. Our fragile economy has been passed into the hands of a fast tracked hooray henry who has experience of...nothing? Like I say, let's see how his experience helps him pull us out of this World crisis :)
Well at least he won't have much gold to flog off at rock bottom prices. Brown managed that all by himself - with his wonderful experience of the financial markets.
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Originally posted by kenkay
if being older is a qualification then I should be PM :D
I'd rather have you as PM Ken! At least you understand what it's like to have to get your hands dirty to earn enough to live. Why old Etonians are so successful in reaching government positions is beyond me, they have no comprehension of what it is like for those close to the poverty line and no idea what hardship their decisions causes.
Why do we vote to have people that know nothing about the lives of the average man decide what is best for him?
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Originally posted by peter16
Coalition, seeing Clegg and Cameron standing next to each other outside No10 I was struck by how similar they were in appearance.
I noticed how much they looked alike when they were on the pm debate and apparently Clegg was a member of the conservative society when he was at university.
Have you noticed how much the parties are having to drop things that were in their manifesto, I wonder how those who voted for the 2 parties now feel especially if their decision was based on those promises!!
David
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"Why do we vote to have people that know nothing about the lives of the average man decide what is best for him?"
I didn't,
Cameron has nothing in his background to indicate that he is either fit or capable of doing the job, even his academic record at Eton was below average.
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Mike I'm an average man and I'm the only one who knows what's best for me 8) I had to vote for somebody and I liked Osama Bin Laden better than Gordon Brown but he was not standing ;)so david was my choice 8)
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You, average Ken, I think not,
Iv,e seen your speedo's, remember ;)
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Originally posted by mike A
"Why do we vote to have people that know nothing about the lives of the average man decide what is best for him?"
I didn't,
Cameron has nothing in his background to indicate that he is either fit or capable of doing the job, even his academic record at Eton was below average.
Cameron recovered from this episode and passed 12 O-levels, and then studied three A-Levels in History of Art, History and Economics with Politics. He obtained three 'A' grades and a '1' grade in the Scholarship Level exam in Economics and Politics.[23] He then stayed on to sit the entrance exam for the University of Oxford, which was sat the following autumn. He passed, did well at interview, and was given a place at Brasenose College, his first choice.[24]
I wish I had been so 'below average' at school ;)
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Thanks for that Stoop, What an amazing recovery
3 A-levels, my didn't he do well.
There's nothing there to make me alter my opinion
more brassneck than Brasenose me thinks.
Stoop, you forgot to mention his first class degree. ;)
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Gordon has he ever worked in the private sector, had blair before him? I ask this because the labour party seems to think it has the sole right to represent the Mr and Mrs normal of the country,with its leadership who come from either local councils or unions. very few have worked for a living in private sector, they have all the right words to get entice the people but areas of the country that have always voted labour are no better now for jobs than they were 20years ago, with the exception of those generated by new labour expanding public sector. I think this new government will do great things, I sure hope so and wish them well.
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'Stoop, you forgot to mention his first class degree'
Don't think he got that at Eton ;)
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Originally posted by mike A
You, average Ken, I think not,
Iv,e seen your speedo's, remember ;)
Touchee Mike :D:D:D
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Originally posted by kenkay
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Originally posted by mike A
You, average Ken, I think not,
Iv,e seen your speedo's, remember ;)
Touchee Mike :D:D:D
Too much information :o
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You can defend whoever you like!!
The facts are ...........
Exams, degrees etc = nose in books.
Young people growing up today would love to be given the 'Privileges' of education
that all Politicians today seem to have received, I don't think many of them would forget given the same opportunity their Roots.
Whatever party they belong to, whatever their background politicians always seem forget the 'Working Man' but it is the 'Working man' who pays his NI and taxes every week, can't claim Expenses, or Second homes, avoid paying tax and any more 'Fiddles' that we don't know about!
To me there is nothing between them, they all out for what they can GET! Oh by the way can anyone tell me how much the elected people who are in the House of Commons whom you have never seen or heard saying a word are paid?
Why are you all keeping ;) going on this? To wind someone up? You are all going around in circles!
This is my view!!