Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Scunner on July 22, 2010, 13:45:41 PM
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Experts can't agree how newspaper seller Ian Tomlinson died so the policeman who knocked him to the floor from behind, as he walked home with his hands in his pockets, will not be prosecuted.
A very sad day for Great Britain and a green light for the thugs protected inside our police force.
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He's hardly got away with it though. I understand the time limit for an assault charge has passed but he is suspended and will face disciplinary action. They won't prosecute if there isn't a good chance of a conviction these days.
"Jenny Jones, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, said: "It's clearly an outcome that satisfies absolutely nobody and everybody comes out of it badly.
"The reputation of the police is poor, and morale won't be very good if public perception is that the police constantly get away with crimes and are never brought to justice.
"If everybody had moved a bit faster we might have actually been in the time-frame for an assault charge to be brought," she added.
Expressing "regret" for Mr Tomlinson's family, a Metropolitan Police spokesman, said: "There will, of course, be an inquest where the facts will be heard publicly. This is important for the family of Ian Tomlinson as well as Met officers and Londoners.
"We now await the IPCC's investigation report before being able to carefully consider appropriate misconduct proceedings," he said."
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So the policeman "might" get a slap on the wrist or even lose his job, while his victim is still dead, justice eh!!!!
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Exactly.
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Not at all - justice can only be dealt with by the courts and as yet there is not enough evidence to convict the policemen of anything. A lesser charge of assault could have been brought against him but the time limit has now passed for that. Everyone, including the police force, know he was wrong to do what he did and should be punished for it. However the CPS says the evidence is not enough to prove that the push killed or lead to the man's death.
This happens all the time and the CPS have to be pretty sure they will get a conviction before they take a case to court. Rightly or wrongly that's the way they work.
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He was really giving the police a hard time, really threatening, walking away from them with his hands in his pockets. They left it to long to procecute for assault, how convenient.
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Let's be honest here. I feel for the guy and his family but reports say he had been obstructive just before this incident and he was not responding to requests to move on (probably because he was so drunk). However I can think of many police forces throughout the 'civilised world' that would have beaten him to a pulp, dragged him off to a cell and prosecuted HIM for obstruction.
How many times have you heard the phrase ' Don't upset the police in this or that foreign country or they will sort you out good and proper' (or words to that effect).
However the copper was wrong and if they find that his action contributed to the guy's death then I agree he should be prosecuted.
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I bet if you did the same thing on a saturday night and were seen by the police it would be a different story.
I say its a load of ball&ocks
Ron 8)
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"However I can think of many police forces throughout the 'civilised world' that would have beaten him to a pulp, dragged him off to a cell and prosecuted HIM for obstruction."
And this is worse than being killed.!!![xx(]
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The officer concerned Pc Harwood if my memory is correct should never have been a serving officer, he had been dismissed from the force and had rejoined under dubious circumstances iE lied, perhaps, this was the reason he was not prosecuted, massive claim? should never have been there in the first place, just a thought!!!
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Originally posted by mike A
"However I can think of many police forces throughout the 'civilised world' that would have beaten him to a pulp, dragged him off to a cell and prosecuted HIM for obstruction."
And this is worse than being killed.!!![xx(]
I never said that! Just that some police forces show much less restraint than the one we have .. and it's not been proved he was 'killed' has it?
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And never will be, as he will never be tried, convenient .
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Now we are back where we started - not enough evidence to say the push caused his death.
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No stoop. Disputed evidence, experts could not agree, still does not explain why they left the decision not to try him for murder till after the deadline for a prosecution on assault charges had past. As I say convenient.
Still, after the Delroy Smelly case last year it was obvious he would never be charged. They never are.
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23859549-g20-officer-had-been-rehired-by-met-despite-discipline-fears.do so what do you think?
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" justice can only be dealt with by the courts"
If thats the case why are the CPU deciding who's evidence is the most believable, surely
that decision should be up to a judge and jury.:(
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That's the problem with the system - if they don't think there is a good chance of a conviction then they won't spend the money taking it to court. Wrong I know but it's been like this for a while now. How must the coppers themselves feel when they catch a crook and the CPS won't take it to court?
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you have to understand that there is a huge gulf between justice and the law, the law is the only thing the judges and lawyers etc care about,and they own pockets of course but that goes without saying.