Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: starman™ on November 02, 2010, 14:39:04 PM
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As of yesterday British and Dutch citizens will now enter with a 6 month visa with a stay of no more than 90 days in that period. If you are a border runner now is the time to think about getting a residence permit.
Just got this from the central emniyet in Istanbul and waiting for more further news but we are already informing all our clients.
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Well they did say it was just suspended and not cancelled completely. Seems they have now decided to go ahead.
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Starman Hi can you post the official link please, thanks in advance.
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So I assume that this applies to visas issued on and after the 1st November rather than current ones which may have a 180 day stamp?
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There is no link as of yet. It comes from the foreigners police department where I have one of my employees everyday and get to find out all the latest news before it gets out in the media. Will learn more tomorrow when my guy is there again.
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well hang on to your visas till it becomes official?
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Im sorry stoop but it seems to me that you get a thrill, out of other peoples misery. How very sad. [?]
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I hope we learn from experience.
We has 50+ pages of information, gossip, misinformation and duplication when this subject was last discussed.
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Originally posted by scooby doo
Im sorry stoop but it seems to me that you get a thrill, out of other peoples misery. How very sad. [?]
What are you talking about? I merely stated the facts as I understand them from what went on a few months back. That is the new visa rules WERE suspended and it seems now they have decided to go ahead with them.
If you think that gives me a thrill you must lead a very thrill free life.
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im sorry stoop, but the last time you got very excited, and believe me my life is very thrilling. Thats why i do not spend all my time on cbf. ;)
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Stoop has a place in turkey so may also be affected by the new visa regulations if he chooses to live there. I cannot see how you can round on him like that. Just as well you are not on cbf much if all you can contribute to a useful post is a slagging off. And remind me of the misery involved in getting residency. Thanks starman as usual an informative post. Shame Linda 1957 is no longer a member I would have enjoyed her post telling you that you were wrong!
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That was below the belt Jacqui, smiley face or not.
Let's keep this for the facts as and when they become known and not a slanging match please
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The last time we all got very excited as the rules were written in what can only be described as gobbledegook (however you spell that). Some read and understood it one way and others read it another way. In the end and after much debate on here the British Consul came out and said the change had been suspended.
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I dont rearly class that as slagging somebody off but if offence was taken then apologies.:D
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Hey has my husband GordonA got a rival? or is this him in disguise?
[:o)] ;): :)
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Nothing wrong with Gordy. ;)
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so much for Cameron visit during summer, what I can't understand is Cars etc are allowed in for six months. ;) prehaps the turks have as crazy a government as we do
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Glad you said that and not me lol. :D
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Originally posted by scooby doo
Nothing wrong with Gordy. ;)
you sure you have,nt been on the Raki love. ;) :)
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if this rule does come into effect then the problem i see is that those who are NOT living in Turkey "full time" but wish to stay "longer" than 90 days.... (extended holiday)... then there doesnt seem to be anything in place for them....
as they are not resident, neither are they a "tourist"......
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Its not so much the people who want to stay longer than the 90 days, theyve always supposed to obtain residency by law to do this, it affects more the people who come out a few times a year. the headache of working out when the visa expires and how many days theyve already used up, that coupled with the shortage of flights or changes to flights as here in this topic
{A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}38238
just hope if they do implicate this new visa rule that nobody is too badly affected
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We were all aware that the changes to the visa laws were on hold. But as I remember from a few months ago, reports said that 'notice would be given' before the changes come into effect. IF these changes came into force on Nov 1st, that's not giving people notice....not that should surprise anyone with how the Turkish govt works. So again, for the moment, it seems to be case of 'wait and see' till something becomes official. Then hope that whatever was decided on Nov 1st, was just a case of more talk about it, and a decent spell of notice will finally be given.
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Well said Colin :)
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Originally posted by col
We were all aware that the changes to the visa laws were on hold. But as I remember from a few months ago, reports said that 'notice would be given' before the changes come into effect. IF these changes came into force on Nov 1st, that's not giving people notice....not that should surprise anyone with how the Turkish govt works. So again, for the moment, it seems to be case of 'wait and see' till something becomes official. Then hope that whatever was decided on Nov 1st, was just a case of more talk about it, and a decent spell of notice will finally be given.
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Originally posted by col
We were all aware that the changes to the visa laws were on hold. But as I remember from a few months ago, reports said that 'notice would be given' before the changes come into effect. IF these changes came into force on Nov 1st, that's not giving people notice....not that should surprise anyone with how the Turkish govt works. So again, for the moment, it seems to be case of 'wait and see' till something becomes official. Then hope that whatever was decided on Nov 1st, was just a case of more talk about it, and a decent spell of notice will finally be given.
A good point and it's made by the report from the British Embassy. However it also implies that it's going to happen later this year (or at least a decision and notification):
"The Foreign Ministry and UK officials will hold talks in the autumn on the question of visas and residence permits. The Ministry confirmed that any future change in procedures will be announced in good time before implementation to allow people to make their decisions and arrangements."
http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-turkey/visitors-who-overstay
However there is the usual disclaimer at the bottom of the page.
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Originally posted by lewis.wensley
if this rule does come into effect then the problem i see is that those who are NOT living in Turkey "full time" but wish to stay "longer" than 90 days.... (extended holiday)... then there doesnt seem to be anything in place for them....
as they are not resident, neither are they a "tourist"......
Quite right. This change (if it happens) will affect those like ourselves who have always intended to use their properties more when they retire fully from work.
Our intention was to go May/June and then Sept/Oct but this would mean (roughly) 120 days in 180 which would not be allowed. Turkey will lose our money for 4 weeks in that case and if you multiply that by the number of people in the same position it will mean a lot of dosh. It might also make us think about selling up to be honest as the hassle involved, coupled with the cost of flights etc etc might just tip us over the edge. I suppose we could just do the 3 months straight off but it's the removal of the choice that annoys me most.
If we lived there full time then having to pay for residency would at least allow us to come and go as we please but for the home owners who wants to enjoy their properties a little more but not live there permanently then it's bad news.
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Do the turkish government see that that much of the cash any way, what with few if any resturants etc paying full taxes and most deals are done in cash. the locals might feel the pinch but what government worries about the locals. would the visa not work out for you if you came out May /june say 60 days one one visa then Sept /Oct another 60 odd days on another visa, you wouldn't be over staying on either.
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I would say that the goverment gets most of it taxes from petrol then anything else. Just look at the price, 3.7 lira for a litre.
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Quite right. This change (if it happens) will affect those like ourselves who have always intended to use their properties more when they retire fully from work.
Our intention was to go May/June and then Sept/Oct but this would mean (roughly) 120 days in 180 which would not be allowed.
This would be our intention too. Our solution would be to take a cheap overnight flight to Istanbul in Feb to cover us Feb-Aug and then re-enter on a new visa in September. Its a solution but when we invested our savings in Turkey and purchased the property we didnt expect to have to deal with these kind of restrictions:(
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Its not much different then the restrictions on tourist visas EU countries give to non EU nationals.
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It's certainly different to those given by the UK to non-EU nationals. Their visas are for a given length of time, not a maximum amount of time within a given amount of time.
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I have wanted to ask opinion on this for a while so here goes :D
If you enter Turkey for the first time on April 1st (Visa 1) and use 61 days (go home May 31st) and then return on 1st Sept until say 30th Nov - can you just nip over to Rhodes / Meiss a few days before the end of September (when Visa 1 runs out) to renew and then start using Visa 2
Ian
Ps Even I am confused now!!!!
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Originally posted by c1
Do the turkish government see that that much of the cash any way, what with few if any resturants etc paying full taxes and most deals are done in cash. the locals might feel the pinch but what government worries about the locals. would the visa not work out for you if you came out May /june say 60 days one one visa then Sept /Oct another 60 odd days on another visa, you wouldn't be over staying on either.
That would be an option if it's allowed. Not sure atr this stage.
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I have that feeling of deja vu all over again.
I have that feeling of deja vu all over again.
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C1 - sorry you have clearly asked the same question but I didn't read it properly - apologies :)
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Originally posted by amca
I have that feeling of deja vu all over again.
I have that feeling of deja vu all over again.
LOL - I think that might be a contradiction in terms ;) or something like that. deja vu all over again:D
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Stoop
"LOL - I think that might be a contradiction in terms or something like that. deja vu all over again"
I think you may mean tautology.
I think you may have missed the joke, too, as well.
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Originally posted by Scunner
It's certainly different to those given by the UK to non-EU nationals. Their visas are for a given length of time, not a maximum amount of time within a given amount of time.
UK issues visas to Turks where they can stay 180 day in any one year period. I know several people including my boss that has this and she also had the same one for Canada when we crossed their border last week.
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well acording to the British Embassy in Ankara...nothings changed...the up date is today 3rd November!!!!!!!!
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/europe/turkey?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4
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Also, none of the official Turkish sites, BTG, rumours I just love em ;) :)
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
well acording to the British Embassy in Ankara...nothings changed...the up date is today 3rd November!!!!!!!!
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/europe/turkey?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4
yes brian but wernt they the last to know last time
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Hi Echostar, know what, last time[?]
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regarding the new visas which at the time were being issued not a word i saw on their web sites for a week or so
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If you reach the end of the 180 day length of the visa, but havent reached anywhere near your 90 days in Turkey, do you still have to leave and spend a night sitting on a Greek island?
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Originally posted by saoirse
If you reach the end of the 180 day length of the visa, but havent reached anywhere near your 90 days in Turkey, do you still have to leave and spend a night sitting on a Greek island?
You do not have to do anything yet ...nothing has changed.
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Confirmed! Nothing has changed and it seems a memo was sent from Ankara to the Yabanci polis in Istanbul as a wind up and then the info fed to our guys which has resulted in a waste of time thread on CBF. Oh those folks in Ankara have a strange sense of humour.
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Thank you for clearing that up Starman. :)
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Laugh? I nearly did. What a shame, November is one of the less busy CBF months (only 3 million hits) and I was hoping for 45 pages again on this.
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Just got back from Meis, and nothing has changed. Still issued with the old 90 day visa.
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Originally posted by simpsons
Just got back from Meis, and nothing has changed. Still issued with the old 90 day visa.
Scunner, you may still get your 45 pages.
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Let's do our bit
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Bump.
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Bumping is not allowed
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ok
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No problem
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Can I join in....................................while I'm waiting for an official announcement on the consulate website?
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Perhaps there should be a rule that people can discuss this topic for up t90 days but then it will be banned until 180 days are up.
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Or they can discuss it for 90 days within any 180 day period. That would take some supervision :D
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Once you have used your 90 days would it be possible to log on to Meis Beach Forum and then come back here?
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You could always start a rumour about someone being semi deported and only allowed in the country 90 out of 180 days :D
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Originally posted by Scunner
Laugh? I nearly did. What a shame, November is one of the less busy CBF months (only 3 million hits) and I was hoping for 45 pages again on this.
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I have a fireworks display to attend so I will leave you to it :D
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We will wait until you get back.
If you are allowed back in, of course.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE :D:D:D:D:D:D
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Bookmark this, just in case.
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html
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saw a blue car today.....
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Okay I will as soon as I get a pair of goggles to protect my eyes whilst following your command.
Do you want it done side to side or from front to back?
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Originally posted by starmanTM
saw a blue car today.....
What colour was this blue car you saw ??
:D:D:D
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Hi
Just been in the UK for 10 days and catching up on the visa news. I got the 180 days visa in my passport which was a bit worrying. Has the visa situation changed or is it still heresay? If so, why are they issuing 180 days visa stickers at Dalaman? Caz
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No change as yet, guess they are uing the sticker as they have aleady have been printed..
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Thanks, just hope the sticker doesn't cause problems when I do my next visa run!!
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We got the 180 day sticker in September when we came for 21 days so in theory if we came back in Feb for a week we wouldnt need to buy a new Visa or would they tell us they were 'just using up the stickers because they'd been printed'!
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Bump