Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: peecee on November 03, 2010, 07:26:24 AM
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The parents of Madeleine McCann have set up an online petition requesting that a joint review of all UK/Portugese evidence which has not, as yet, been done.
Please sign it
news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCanns-Parents-Kate-And-Gerry-Launch...
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Here's the link to the petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/madeleinemccann_case_review/
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Are these the same McCanns who along with their friends refused to return to Portugal to help the police with their enquiries?
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I feel so sorry for the McCanns and also for the family of Ben Needham who would have been 21 years old this week. No matter the rights and wrongs, these people have lost a child and I cannot begin to comprehend the pain they must feel. I think the agony must be just not knowing.
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I have signed the petition. My heart goes out to them. Not knowing what has happened will torture them always. I have only compassion and great sadness for them. I hope and pray that one day Madeleine will be found alive, but I fear she will never be found.
Bridge :(
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:oI won't be signing !
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Signed
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Signed here as well. I cannot understand why anyone wouldn't but each to their own I guess.
As for them not going back to Portugal for questioning - I think if the Portuguese police had anything on them then they would have produced the evidence by now. I also seem to remember both of them have actually been back in the country since.
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
I feel so sorry for the McCanns and also for the family of Ben Needham who would have been 21 years old this week. No matter the rights and wrongs, these people have lost a child and I cannot begin to comprehend the pain they must feel. I think the agony must be just not knowing.
They lost a child Jacqui, because they chose to leave her and younger ones to go drinking,(brits abroad) i am a father and grandfather and i would never leave my children for the drink.:-\
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The hurt and distress that the Mcanns must feel must be heightened by the fact that they are the ones who left the poor child alone in the apartment whilst they met friends for drinks and dinner. Choose how you care to dress this up, if they had done this in the UK, they would/ should have been prosecuted by social services. I hope that one day the little girl is found but I cant lose sight of the reason she is missing eg. absentee parents, when she should have been safe and sound in their care.
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They made a mistake, one most of us can never imagine doing. But, they will carry the greatest punishment imaginable for the longest time possible - every second of their life till the day they die. It's hard to understand how some fellow human beings can have no compassion.
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I can already feel that this emotive topic will arouse strong feelings on both sides of the arguement (as it did the last time it was raised I believe).
For my part, I agree with Shaun. Especially if I understand it correctly that it was not the first time the parents had made the "mistake".
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Agree Keith! We have all done things with our kids which with hindsight or just thinking back has put them in some danger. We were the lucky ones that got away with it!
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Forgive me cheers, but we never, ever left our kids on their own !!!!!!
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Our kids love eating out and we love having them with us. The idea of leaving them in an apartment, at home or anywhere else is quite alien. Mind you, after our kids had enjoyed their meal out they often crashed out and Calis waiters would kindly put two comfy chairs together for each of them - something complete strangers slagged us off about on "another forum" rather than to our faces.
But no, we would never ever consider doing what Madeleine's parents did, but my point is that it is difficult to not appreciate the grief, regret and sorrow that their actions bring, and will bring, for every single day of their lives. Surely that is enough.
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OK - the parents maybe suffering grief, regret and sorrow that their actions brought.
I can only hope that their daughter is not suffering the same, or more profound grief, regret and sorrow or indeed far worse horrors.
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Whether you feel sorry for the parents or not the fact is that there is a young girl out there somewhere who was taken from her mum and dad. Surely that is enough reason to want this to be brought to a conclusion asap - hopefully with her being returned safely to her parents.
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Originally posted by Scunner
They made a mistake, one most of us can never imagine doing. But, they will carry the greatest punishment imaginable for the longest time possible - every second of their life till the day they die. It's hard to understand how some fellow human beings can have no compassion.
I do have compassion for them however it doesnt change the facts of what happened. They left her alone.
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Originally posted by stoop
Whether you feel sorry for the parents or not the fact is that there is a young girl out there somewhere who was taken from her mum and dad. Surely that is enough reason to want this to be brought to a conclusion asap - hopefully with her being returned safely to her parents.
Why would my thoughts on the Mcanns prevent me from wanting it to be brought to a conclusion? Not sure where your'e coming from with that? I would be ecstatic if they found her.
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Originally posted by stoop
hopefully with her being returned safely to her parents.
Stoop - I agree entirely. When all is said and done, that is the single most important thing.
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Jukebox -
I'm not saying you don't want it to end but that I cannot understand why some people would not sign the petition when it's aim is to help find Madeline. Peoples thoughts on the parents are irrelevant in my opinion.
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The one thing I could never begin to understand was why they even decided they needed to do what they did. In a previous life, holidays were the one time we could be together at meal times (I used to either be staying away overnight or if not often not home till after they had long gone to bed) - I am sure the McCanns with their professions must have been very much the same - why on Earth would you not want your kids around you at holiday mealtimes?
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Originally posted by stoop
Jukebox -
I cannot understand why some people would not sign the petition when it's aim is to help find Madeline. Peoples thoughts on the parents are irrelevant in my opinion.
Stoop - given that I do want Madeleine to by found, your comment has made me think about my possible "knee-jerk" reaction.
You maybe right.
Maybe I should put my thoughts about the parents to one side until Madeleine is found (hopefully safe and well) and then, and only then, address the question of their culpability.
PS I severely doubt that a review now will make one iota of difference. But that's another issue.
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Originally posted by stoop
Jukebox -
I'm not saying you don't want it to end but that I cannot understand why some people would not sign the petition when it's aim is to help find Madeline. Peoples thoughts on the parents are irrelevant in my opinion.
I think peoples thoughts are very relevent and what is the point of a discussion forum if they cant be expressed? Unlike Highlander, I have not gone with a knee jerk reaction on this,I have thought the same all along and like you all, I hope she is found safely.
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Originally posted by stoop
I cannot understand why some people would not sign the petition when it's aim is to help find Madeline. Peoples thoughts on the parents are irrelevant in my opinion.
I cannot understand why parents and friends would not return to Portugal to help police stage a re-enactment which was to help find Madeline.
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JB - I can feel your total conviction on this subject in your posts and believe me I think we feel equally strongly towards Kate and Gerry McCann.
But Stoop's point is surely that this feeling is "irrelevant" when the first and only priority, at the moment, is to find Madeleine.
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Exactly how I feel and what I meant H. The what's why's and if's are irrelevant in my opinion.
amca - I think it was well documented at the time why they did not want to go back at that stage.
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The what's why's and if's are irrelevant in my opinion.
amca - I think it was well documented at the time why they did not want to go back at that stage.
I think you could have said the same thing back then to them, surely.
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Originally posted by Highlander
Forgive me cheers, but we never, ever left our kids on their own !!!!!!
Never left mine alone either Mr 'H', had my eyes on them as much as I could! What I actually said was ...
We have all done things with our kids which with hindsight or just thinking back has put them in some danger. We were the lucky ones that got away with it!
People all think 'It will never happen to me'! Well it does as the Mc Cann's found out unfortunately. People never learn - look what happened in France today where a 7 month old and 3 year old were left in a 7th floor apartment ALONE! The 7 month old climbed out of the window and fell 7 floors, miraculously caught!!!
Would not stop me signing the petition though! After all it is requesting a review of the evidence to find her!!!
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originally posted by amca
'I cannot understand why parents and friends would not return to Portugal to help police stage a re-enactment which was to help find Madeline'
We can all speculate on the reasons for not returning (and we do) but, at the end of the day if all the evidence from both police forces is reviewed then something that might have been missed may, and I stress, may come to light.
If it did bring to light what happened then it would bring closure.
When I first read about this I was disgusted/amazed that the parents had left Madeleine alone. What's done is done and it is something they will always bitterly regret.
I like, everyone else in the World, hope she is alive and safe. Signing the petition, which costs nothing, could possibly help find out the truth.
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Originally posted by Highlander
JB - I can feel your total conviction on this subject in your posts and believe me I think we feel equally strongly towards Kate and Gerry McCann.
But Stoop's point is surely that this feeling is "irrelevant" when the first and only priority, at the moment, is to find Madeleine.
I have never once said I wouldnt sign a petition, I have never said I didnt want her found and anyones views on this , including Stoops, are not irrelevant.You may be able to change your views mid discussion but I cant.
My views on her parents are my opinion and are based on facts, which are, they left their daughter to be abducted when as parents, they should have protected her. They didnt.
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JB - I haven't changed my mind re the parents. I loathe what they did.
As you know I would readily sign a petition which criticised Kate and Gerry McCann
What I did say, or meant to say, is that if signing would help find Madeleine then it should at least be considered.
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Jukebox,
Nobody is questioning your right to have whatever view you want on the parents.
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H on the money for me, being a parent of many children, there are time when I/ we want space on our own, but having children is a priviledge and come with responibilities and duty. We wouldn't ever leave our children to go on the pi**. although the 30,25,23 and 22 year old might be ok now (although I have my doubts). however the 5 and 1 year old never.
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Originally posted by stoop
Jukebox,
Nobody is questioning your right to have whatever view you want on the parents.
Sorry but I understood you thought it irrelevant?
Anyway, no matter, I've stated my views and I stand by them, I dont really see the point in commenting further as I would just be going over old ground.
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No what I meant was that for the purpose of getting Madeline back that it's irrelevant what any of us think about the parents - that doesn't mean I dont respect your views. The safety of her is number one priority and no matter what we think of the parents it will not help to get her back. Signing the petition to put pressure on the authorities to do a full review of the evicence might.
For the record I also think it was totally wrong what they did but as a parent who has lost a young child (in totally different circumstances) I can understand some of what they must be feeling.
That's also my last word on this as I don't want to keep going over old ground either.
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Me too - just to say to Jukebox and stoop that I do respect your views.