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Title: Bin Laden dead!
Post by: stoop on May 02, 2011, 07:57:42 AM: The USA have confirmed he has been killed in a firefight.
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Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2011, 08:27:39 AM: I know it's highly, highly unlikely but I wonder if they tried to take him alive.
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Post by: scareylady on May 02, 2011, 08:53:35 AM: I wonder if it ever happened at all ..... It has now been announced that he was "Buried at Sea"?? ..... I feel an excuse to withdraw from Afganastane within a year ..... Which is great news but I don't believe he has been killed recently....(Conspiricy??)
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Post by: Old Daffodil on May 02, 2011, 09:35:39 AM: It was good to hear that the Afghan tribal chiefs are pleased about the news. Many more Afghans have died because of him than Americans.I met an Afghan family who had to leave the country because the grandfather was a politician against him and they threatened to kill his whole family. The son is a doctor and had to leave in order to avoid retribution.
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Post by: Colwyn on May 02, 2011, 09:51:00 AM: quote:
Originally posted by Highlander

I know it's highly, highly unlikely but I wonder if they tried to take him alive.
H, do you suppose that Bin Laden would have let them?
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Post by: littlereddevil on May 02, 2011, 12:14:01 PM: It says on sky news it was actually a few days ago ?
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Post by: Scunner on May 02, 2011, 12:16:34 PM: Why would they bury him at sea? Why would they not bring him back to the USA to show everyone that it is definitely him..?
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Post by: legless on May 02, 2011, 12:22:39 PM: Possibly so that there is no shrine for his followers to visit.

Ron
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Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2011, 12:39:51 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Colwyn

quote:
Originally posted by Highlander

I know it's highly, highly unlikely but I wonder if they tried to take him alive.
H, do you suppose that Bin Laden would have let them?

No I don't Colwyn. But that's a different question.
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Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2011, 13:44:03 PM: If the reports of a "burial" at sea are true, then that will be quite the most stupid thing America has done in a long time:(
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Post by: Colwyn on May 02, 2011, 14:10:32 PM: My first reaction is that burial at sea is a smart move. If they buried him on land - which country? - it would be the focus of global pilgrimage. If they put him on display that would be disgusting. Keeping him in a mortuary for later positive identification wouldn't have stopped the nutty conspiracy theories (that have already started). I might rethink this on further consideration, so I'd like to hear other arguments.
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Post by: tonyb on May 02, 2011, 14:11:14 PM: Asian TV channels have shown pictures of his body. Not pretty. Americans took DNA samples to confirm his identity & have confirmed it was indeed, Bin Laden. Commentators have suggested the burial at sea theory as previously mentioned. His body was apparently flown to Afghanistan before being buried at sea to avoid the possibility of creating a shrine to him.
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Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2011, 15:16:21 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Colwyn

My first reaction is that burial at sea is a smart move. If they buried him on land - which country? - it would be the focus of global pilgrimage.

Only if they told us which country.
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Post by: tinkerman on May 02, 2011, 15:23:57 PM: see they do takes bins out on a bank holiday..
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Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2011, 15:30:10 PM: :D did you think of that all by yourself.
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Post by: jacqtay on May 02, 2011, 15:36:39 PM: Got me thinking ...who/what did they compare his DNA with?
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Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2011, 15:38:34 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Colwyn

My first reaction is that burial at sea is a smart move. If they buried him on land - which country? - it would be the focus of global pilgrimage.

Or alternatively, bury him where he fell and let the world see if Pakistan would have allowed the site to become the focus of global pilgrimage.
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Post by: Eric on May 02, 2011, 16:35:11 PM: Its all a conspiracy, he is alive and well and living in the USA with Elvis and Michael Jackson ;):D: :)

Seriously though, we will know in a few days because if it is not him then OBL will release a video that can be confirmed. No video no OBL.
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Post by: Eric on May 02, 2011, 16:42:28 PM: Following the death of Osama Bin Laden, Elton John is bringing out a tribute song.....

sandles in the bin
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Post by: Colwyn on May 02, 2011, 16:46:52 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Eric

OBL will release a video that can be confirmed.
I've alreadt been asked if I want to audition for it.
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Post by: Highlander on May 02, 2011, 17:53:30 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Colwyn

quote:
Originally posted by Eric

OBL will release a video that can be confirmed.
I've ~~alreadt~~ already been asked if I want to audition for it.

No need to thank me, Colwyn:D
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Post by: laffa on May 02, 2011, 19:11:27 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Eric

Following the death of Osama Bin Laden, Elton John is bringing out a tribute song.....

sandles in the bin

Are they Fitflops. ;)
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Post by: mike A on May 03, 2011, 09:36:20 AM: burial at sea, definitely a smart move (unusual for the americans)
8)
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Post by: Scunner on May 03, 2011, 09:57:47 AM: It just seems odd to me to lay him to rest in accordance with his beliefs (i.e. so quickly), unlike many of the 2900+ who had no chance of even being found, let alone having the funeral they would have chosen.
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Post by: mike A on May 03, 2011, 10:22:14 AM: I doubt it was done with his thoughts in mind one way or another, a quick burial at sea means no body, no bones, no future pilgrim site's and no relics, total obliteration, all very neat and tidy.
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Post by: Highlander on May 03, 2011, 13:08:32 PM: quote:
Originally posted by mike A

...all very neat and tidy.

Only for those who believe it was him.
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Post by: Colwyn on May 03, 2011, 13:32:07 PM: quote:
Originally posted by HighlanderOnly for those who believe it was him.
But there'e not much you can do about the others - just let them enjoy their fantasies.
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Post by: Scunner on May 03, 2011, 13:47:07 PM: Surely it would be a quite ridiculous thing to do, to create one of the biggest stories in American history, only for the dead guy to turn up on video next week holding up that day's newspaper? I can't see why they would risk that amount of embarrassment for a feel good tale.
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Post by: tonyb on May 03, 2011, 19:58:09 PM: Sorry Scun, but this don't feel good to me. I'm just glad it wasn't the SAS who found him. I might sound selfish, but who do you think will cop the reprisals, eh?
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Post by: Highlander on May 03, 2011, 20:33:50 PM: I seem to have been misconstrued here. I do believe that Bin Laden is dead. But the "absence" of a body will allow his fanatical supporters, rightly or wrongly, to at least claim that he has not been killed. They will also dismiss the DNA "evidence" out of hand.
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Post by: Scunner on May 03, 2011, 20:43:52 PM: Yes but in fairness the people who will claim that are a bunch of nutters irrespective of whether old big nose is dead.
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Post by: Highlander on May 03, 2011, 20:44:40 PM: Agreed !
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Post by: Highlander on May 03, 2011, 21:00:49 PM: Latest news is different from original reports :o
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Post by: Highlander on May 03, 2011, 22:11:12 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Highlander

I know it's highly, highly unlikely but I wonder if they tried to take him alive.

It appears not and how exactly did his wife die ?
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Post by: Scunner on May 03, 2011, 22:15:43 PM: H, you are having a debate with yourself again lol
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Post by: Highlander on May 03, 2011, 22:18:34 PM: Must mean I'm in with a shout of winning the arguement.....doesn't it :)
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Post by: Scunner on May 03, 2011, 22:23:01 PM: I bet your losing side is far more spectacular
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Post by: laffa on May 03, 2011, 22:42:15 PM: I was very sceptical at first, but having listened to a radio programme am now convinced, and it makes sense that there can be no shrine or anything, think they should knock the house where he was killed and build some toilets there.
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Post by: Scunner on May 03, 2011, 22:46:16 PM: A sewage treatment plant would be good
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Post by: Highlander on May 03, 2011, 23:14:55 PM: Do you feel more uneasy the more news that comes out.

I do.

;)
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Post by: Scunner on May 03, 2011, 23:21:35 PM: No not really, these people all look forward to death and receiving the glorious reception thereafter, but when it comes to it none of them actually want to die for the cause. They want to find others to convince that they should die for the cause. The leaders dying might just reduce the number of people wanting to take their place...
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Post by: starman™ on May 04, 2011, 07:14:13 AM: (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/cliveh/binladenfacebookup.jpg)
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Post by: mike A on May 04, 2011, 08:22:02 AM: :D:D 8)
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Post by: Highlander on May 04, 2011, 08:29:22 AM: I am a little uneasy about "enhanced" interrogation techniques, the reports now that Bin Laden's wife was "shot in the leg but not killed" but subsequently died, and that Bin Laden himself was unarmed.
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Post by: Colwyn on May 04, 2011, 08:36:31 AM: quote:
Originally posted by Highlander

I am a little uneasy about "enhanced" interrogation techniques
I am a damn sight more than uneasy about this. Torture is a disgusting criminal activity, internationally proscribed and the fact that our governments (NL and ConLib) turn a blind eye, or even assist in its processes, shames our nation.
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Post by: davybill on May 04, 2011, 08:55:14 AM: i heard he ran out out and shouted[come on the GUNNERS,that will teach him]
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Post by: nichola on May 04, 2011, 10:50:28 AM: I saw Dick Cheyney claim credit for the enhanced techniques used under the Bush administration that he claims led to the operation that killed Bin Laden.

These "techniques" were banned and outlawed by Barack Obama when he became President and from all the reports I have seen it seems unlikely that anyone detained ten years ago could or would have knowledge of his current location. In fact quite the reverse - it is far more likely that mis information was generated by these methods.

The latest Press statement by the White House says that Bin Laden was unarmed but offered resistence and that one of Bin Ladens wives was shot in the leg but not killed when she rushed the Navy Seals.

Thet also said there were several people shot and killed including a woman during the fire fight.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular operation and the merits or otherwise of capturing him alive for trial I personally have great respect for the Obama administration and their honesty about the fact that Bin Laden was unarmed and the amount of information that has been disclosed to the public.
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Post by: Scunner on May 04, 2011, 11:04:36 AM: I couldn't care less if he was unarmed, offered resistance or didn't, how many people were killed with him, wives or otherwise. They were living in quite a dangerous house, what with one of the others sharing the place being the most wanted man on the planet. Did he care about the 3,000 innocent people caught up in his WTC plan? People should get real, who cares about the people around him. Certainly not me.
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Post by: stoop on May 04, 2011, 11:11:10 AM: Ditto Keith.
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Post by: tinkerman on May 04, 2011, 11:14:43 AM: I wonder what happened to his arms then?
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Post by: Scunner on May 04, 2011, 11:15:26 AM: They were buried at sea. A film is being made about them, the Silence of the limbs.
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Post by: tinkerman on May 04, 2011, 11:30:42 AM: i thought they may have entered into the arms race
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Post by: starman™ on May 04, 2011, 12:15:06 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
Did he care about the 3,000 innocent people caught up in his WTC plan?

lets not also forget the embassy bombings in Africa, madrid, indonesia, london and Istanbul bombings and the wanton killing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The thing caused more muslims deaths then anything else. the world is a better place without him. just as it is without hitler.
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Post by: Highlander on May 05, 2011, 17:38:25 PM: Couldn't they find a bigger room to watch from.

(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q214/highlander_010/mission_control_976_2.jpg)
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Post by: Scunner on May 05, 2011, 17:44:22 PM: And sticking the president on the little chair in the corner!
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Post by: tinkerman on May 05, 2011, 19:44:41 PM: the irish SAS joined the us assault over the wknd.they stormed debenhams after hearing summer bed linen was on the 3rd floor!!!!!!!! :)
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Post by: Highlander on May 05, 2011, 19:59:21 PM: :D Tink

What do you reckon Hilary is thinking "OMG that coffee's worse than Bostans.

Or the Director for Counter Terrosism, Audrey Tomason (11) - " Can I see please.. pretty please".
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Post by: Highlander on May 06, 2011, 13:29:16 PM: Changed my mind, Hilary is actual saying

"OMG only one shot has been fired back. Can we really call that a firefight. Of course we can:(