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Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: Highlander on May 27, 2011, 13:01:31 PM
Is how her lawyers described Sharon Shoesmith's dismissal from Haringey Council[:(!][:(!][:(!]

What about Peter Connelly's natural justice:(
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: stoop on May 27, 2011, 17:11:44 PM
I agree H but the people or person who sacked her should have done it correctly and none of this would have come back uo bite them on the bum!
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: usedbustickets on May 27, 2011, 19:16:26 PM
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Originally posted by stoop

I agree H but the people or person who sacked her should have done it correctly and none of this would have come back uo bite them on the bum!



Your not wrong Stoop, another example unfortunately of the poor quality of management operating in local government.
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: KKOB on May 27, 2011, 20:15:20 PM
Actually it was a Government Minister, Ed Balls-up, announcing publicly that she'd been sacked that gave her good grounds for the appeal.

"The court was severely critical of Balls's handling of the case, and sent out a clear message that politicians could not ignore "elementary fairness" when dealing with public servants at the centre of controversy"........
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: scouser2 on May 28, 2011, 09:07:42 AM
And now, She could be entitled to a 1 million pound payout.
http://news.aol.co.uk/main-news/story/shoesmith-wins-baby-p-sacking-case/1825458/
Where is the justice?.....BL**DY MADNESS!!

Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: legless on May 28, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
Why should she get 1 million pounds ???

Ron
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 28, 2011, 10:13:23 AM
Although I did not like the ruling I think it is right. It is not acceptable that due process is put aside and that ministers can tell a person that you are sacked by TV. The employee is entitled to have the right to state their case. If Ed Balls up had just waited a week and let the process take its course then we would not be in this position. Natural justice is irrelevant as it is the law of the land that prevails.

The thing that annoys me most about this woman is that she has never shown any remorse  and she has never apologized for the death of an innocent baby.
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: stoop on May 28, 2011, 12:16:25 PM
Spot on Gerry.
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: Highlander on May 28, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff


The thing that annoys me most about this woman is that she has never shown any remorse  and she has never apologized for the death of an innocent baby.



Me too - her latest utterance is that she is not to blame, but accepts reaponsibility. That's taking the liquid as far as I'm concerned.

And I'm sick to the back teeth with people in such cases coming out andsaying that questions will be learned.
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: KKOB on May 28, 2011, 14:25:50 PM
Lessons might also be learnt.  ;)
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: Highlander on May 28, 2011, 16:55:39 PM
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Originally posted by KKOB

Lessons might also be learnt.  ;)




:D:D:DBet you enjoyed that my learned friend (I would have :))
Title: A flagrant breach of natural justice
Post by: usedbustickets on May 30, 2011, 12:19:34 PM
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Originally posted by KKOB

Actually it was a Government Minister, Ed Balls-up, announcing publicly that she'd been sacked that gave her good grounds for the appeal.

"The court was severely critical of Balls's handling of the case, and sent out a clear message that politicians could not ignore "elementary fairness" when dealing with public servants at the centre of controversy"........


Yes but it was the local council, as her employer, who sacked her. They did not have to take any notice of a statement from Balls.  They had every chance of following their own own employment policies, but they did not do so and so all the problems we now have fall at the feet of the local council.  This sacking is just another example of their  own managerial weaknesses that have been self-evident right throughout this sad case.

What I would say is that I do not support ministers interferring in day to day 'operational' matters. It is not suppossed to happen, and generally when it does - particularly in police and military matters - it usually ends up a mess.