Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Flights, Airlines and Airports => Flights to Dalaman and Turkey, Airlines and Airports => Topic started by: legless on June 01, 2011, 22:18:57 PM
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There is an interesting article on Yahoo at the moment re "Air Rage" due to passenger recling his seat.
So lets see who does and who doesn't
:) :) :) :) :)
R
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I dont
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On a day flight no. On a night flight providing meals and drinks are not being served I would.
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I dont and i can really get air rage to those that do. They should be fixed seats anyway as there is already no room
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Flew back last week with jet2 . com they are fixed seats with more leg room, on their new planes so dont have to worry about the prat in front laying on my lap.
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Never
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I definitely don't even though would love to at times - and I have physically held the seat in front of me to prevent someone doing it - I could hear her saying, "Oh mine won't go back" and I thought ........
Damn bl**dy right it won't Lady -
but my arms did ache !!! :D
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I dont and think they should all be fixed.
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When I did put my seat back it was on a long haul and there was extra leg room. The person in front put their seat back and it was nowhere near me so knew I wouldn't be in someone else's face.
I flew with jet 2 recently and the seats were comfortable and there was good space. What a difference!!!!!!
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Having read the article I can't believe the police did not prosecute. They should be banned from flying and heavily fined the cost associated with the dumping fuel and scrambling the air force must have been tens of thousands.
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Absolutly not and I could KILL when the person in front of me does. I instantly become a demon, rattling my tray up and down against their seat back, putting in and taking stuff out of the net magazine holder in front of me on their seat and generally being horrible! Love Jet2's fixed seating on their new planes too. On short haul flights, it should not be allowed.
:P
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I can't say it bothers me as long as it is not when the meals are being served.
What really got me mad was a bus trip in Tunisia and every time the folk behind me moved stood up or changed position they pulled my seat back. Murder was on my mind that day!!!!!!!!!!!
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The guy in front of me did for the whole of the 6 plus hours to and from Egypt.It was that far back I couldnt even read my book. When I asked him to move he said it was a long flight and he needed to relax!! I nearly cried when I saw him sit down on the way back, so much for your seat your choice. What can you do if they don't move????
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Be the biggest nuisance you can be, and they'll not get much relaxation/sleep LOL
:D
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I generally don't and as mentioned earlier I think it should be banned at mealtimes - on one flight the way they handed out the meals - in two halves from back and middle forward, meant that the row in front of us got served first, then distribution moved away from us towards the front, while the dolly eventually serving ours began from the back row, also moving forward. Result = man sitting in front of me finished just as we were served and he reclined almost into my face.
I must say though, I'd live with recliners if they could ban adults who fall asleep within moments of take off, leaving their kids to stand using the back of my seat for balance. Or lying down, using it as a foot drum. Oh, and people who pull on headrests as a way to propel themselves forward when they need the toilet. And people who book window seats but need a pi$$ every ten minutes. And airports that herd you onto a bus in the height of summer and once they have crammed it to bursting point ask if the plane is ready, and it isn't. And airport people who tell you, when you get off the bus to board the plane, not to walk under the wing. To be honest, if it's at risk of falling off I'd prefer it to knock me out on the tarmac than fall off at 30,000 feet.
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Oh, and crew when you first get on the plane who ask to see my boarding pass then tell me that 28D is down near the back.
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I am a non-recliner and get seriously annoyed when reclined upon if the said reclinee has not requested reclining clearance from myself first.
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I think the CAA should adopt your rule and make it compulsory Jim :D
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Originally posted by Scunner
Oh, and crew when you first get on the plane who ask to see my boarding pass then tell me that 28D is down near the back.
I know, that does my head in.:P
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I don't and get really annoyed if the muppet in front can't manage to sit up for four hours, there is little enough space as it is, I regard it as ignorance after all I paid for that bit of space. I Normaly find that my knees are pretty much agaist the seat in front and if reclined upon I make sure that they are stuck in the back of the reclinee.
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I don't recline. I always hope the person in front will show me consideration and not recline. I like the planes that have fixed seats because then I can relax knowing there wont be an issue.
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Never. And those that do should be ashamed. It always amazes me that the majority who do, are of the shorter variety!! Why is that?
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I did once when the chap in front of me did. Wasn't bothered that he had as I simply thought well rather than smell the top of his head for the journey I will create the space by reclining. The guy behind me flew off the handle. I asked the chap in front if he would mind sitting back up - he didn't and all was good. I turned to the man behind me and told him he was very rude and that he might of considered simply requesting rather than effing and jeffing about it.
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Well done GB. Negotiation is the answer.
To add to your list Scunner.
Moaning passengers. We returned from Turkey on Monday and had to land in Bulgaria as there was a sick passenger.
The majority of folk although they thought it was inconvenient took the attitude..it could be any of us.
Two moaning gits behind us moaned for the two hours we were on the ground. At one point I heard them say that they should be getting told what was going on. Thought it was obvious!!!!!!!
Some time later the captain informed us that the man had died on the way to hospital and they could not tell us till they got the family of the plane.
Sometimes it is inconvenient but compared to going home without husband or father what is two hours out of your life?
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Only recline if person infront of me does and restricted space becomes an issue.
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I once had the misfortune to sit in a seat, which every time I touched the back, went into the reclining position and just would not stay in the upright position. This upset the fellow behind who got most upset, threatened all manner of unpleasantness and suggested that I sit forward in my seat and not touch the back at all. Aye right for four and a half hours.
Equally as bad however are people who spread their elbows all over your side of the seat.
Oh and the total muppets in window seats who insist on undoing their seat belts the exact moment the plane touches the tarmac and stand up as though they wanted to get off right there and then. It never ceases to amaze me why they want to stand hunched up like Quasi Modo for ten minutes until it is their turn to disembark.
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Originally posted by Bluwise
I definitely don't even though would love to at times - and I have physically held the seat in front of me to prevent someone doing it -
Lol, done this myself several times too !!!! inconsiderate wozoks.
And no i don't !!
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sometimes get the seats by the toilet with thomas cook.you hav'nt got a choice they are wedged against the toilet.
and can't recline.
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I only recline long haul - unless the person in front reclines AND the person behind me has reclined.
What I do do is make sure every time I get up that I make as much disturbance as possible to the person in front by grabbing the back of their seat - and if they recline during meal times they get told nicely to put their seat forward.
Interestingly - if anyone is flying long haul and not booked - Cathay Pacific have what they call 'Shell Seats' where you have your own personal space. The seats don't recline but slide forward from the front to replicate a 'recline'. Not quite the same but it does mean no seat back in your face for 12 hours! Not for the long legged people though - trust me on that one :)
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Definitely not, i was once on one of the back seats, they don't recline, so if the one at the front reclines and everyone follows, you are the only one that has the seat in your face, so they should all be fixed. Alan
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No, unless the seat behind me is empty. But have been known to give the seat in front a very sharp whack if the person in front does so without asking first. ;) Very inconsiderate.
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Most flights I go on have flat beds or bucket seats so whats the point of not reclining when you have one of those.
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I loath the young attractive blonde that uses her oversized handbag to reserve a seat in order that she can travel with easy jet without other members of the public sitting next to her. On asking her if the seat is actually taken- or paid for in anyway(and she looks at you shocked as you are the only person that has dared to ask the question)she says - she is waiting for her "friend" so you and hubby find somewhere else to sit (apart). Within minutes the doors are closed for take off - so powered by the bare faced cheeck of the woman you get up again and inform her that her "friend" seems to have missed the flight so you would like her to move her bag so that you and hubby can sit together - begrudgingly she does and you can see the people sitting nearby all nodding approvingly. To be honest if the bloke in front had reclined his chair all the way down to horizontal I would still have sat there. Any way - as the saying goes "god pays his debt without money" - she fell asleep and her booby fell out of her dress :D
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Doesnt easyjet assign seats?
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PMSL @GB. Easyjet dont assign seats, its a free for all after the folks who have paid (stupidly) for, Priority boarding. Just doesn't work from Glasgow. Priority boarders are called first, then folks with A, B C tickets etc. You are then all herded downstairs and everyone makes a run f0r it across the tarmac. Ya get what ya pay for!!
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I love it when all those who have paid for "easy boarding" get called through first, then when we peasants get through we get on the same bus as they are on, so under the rules of last in first off, we get off the bus and onto the plane before them :D
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If it was not for the other passengers, I would enjoy my journey so much more.
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If the seat has a reclining function then the occupant has every right to use it as that is what they have paid for, why does the person behind feel they should decide how the person in front should sit, i am a six footer and allways use the reclining posistion to give me what little comfort is available, all the person behind has to do is the same then the space between seats would be exactly the same as it would be both in upright posistion, allthough i allways return to upright to eat or drink from the tray. and if anyone behind me thumped the seat or pushed it i assure you i would be waiting to see them outside our arrival destination to return the compliment. ;)
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DesMartinson
See my comment above.
:> ;)
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Originally posted by amca
DesMartinson
See my comment above.
:> ;)
and your point is?
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i use to but not anymore out of consideration for the other passengers
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thats the answer isn't it ? consideration for others..... I personally hate having someone else invade my personal space, and therefore wouldn't do it to others.
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Priority boarding does work with some airlines. Jet2 are pretty keen when they let people through the boarding gate. The best I have used though is without doubt Air Asia. With them you get a sticker for your jacket/top and without it you get nowhere near the gate until the over 65's and priority boarders get on the plane.
Easyjet is a joke and they never seem to bother just letting everyone 'go for it'.
Trying Ryanair for the first time in October - priority boarding 'an all'. Should be fun :)
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Karaokemark made a good point - Jet2 simply don't have seats that recline and there are no irritations. On one flight though I was dozing and when I returned to the land of the living I looked down and found I had 3 feet! The person behind actually had his foot so far through under my seat that it was in line between my two feet. Had he worn the same trainers as me I'd have had the shock of my life!!! Needless to say, my heel came down on his instep with some force in an accidental action of sorts. He didn't extend his limb again during the flight.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Karaokemark made a good point - Jet2 simply don't have seats that recline and there are no irritations. On one flight though I was dozing and when I returned to the land of the living I looked down and found I had 3 feet! The person behind actually had his foot so far through under my seat that it was in line between my two feet. Had he worn the same trainers as me I'd have had the shock of my life!!! Needless to say, my heel came down on his instep with some force in an accidental action of sorts. He didn't extend his limb again during the flight.
Jake the Peg springs to mind Scun ;) :)
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They should stop reclining of seats on all charter flights, there is nothing worse than the person in front deciding they will sit in your lap for the journey. I find placing your knees in the back of the chair helps, but some people just don't care.
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One should never ever recline, shows a lack of breeding.
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The only time we have ever reclined was between kuala lumpur and sydney because we had seats right at the back..toilets were really close...it was magic.
Any other time we dont as we prefer to be considerate and it really makes me mad if other people in front recline....sorry but it does...
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i hate people who do... And make a point of knocking the seat as much as possible... So sleep for them is not an option...
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We never recline our seats and Des if you reclined yours in front of my missus you'd get whiplash when she pushed it back 8) and you'd deserve it [:(!]
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Originally posted by legless
There is an interesting article on Yahoo at the moment re "Air Rage" due to passenger recling his seat.
So lets see who does and who doesn't
:) :) :) :) :)
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So come on Ron - your question - now your answer please :)
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I hate when people recline their seat, try having a baby on your knee when someone reclines their seats! Im a wimp and ask the stewardess to tell them to put it back upright lol
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If its a short haul flight below 2 hours then I never recline as I am usually working on the laptop but when going long haul and I am in the same seat for 6 hours plus then I am going to recline it. That is what the recline button is there for. Then again as I said before, most times its a bucket seat or flat bed so there is nobody behind to annoy.
What I find more annoying is those idiots that get up from their seats to get their bags and walk to the front of the plane when the plane has just touched the runway.
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I suspect the recline button was invented before the sardine technique was implemented. You should either have reclinable seats OR sardine technique. Not both. I would venture to suggest that if you are on a flight where "bucket seats or flat bed" are available, there will be a considerable amount more legroom than on a Thomas Cook flight, and therefore reclining wont be an issue.
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I never recline mine, if someone in front does they certainly have an uncomfortable flight.
Ron
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As Starman says - long haul you are going to recline. It's a no brainer when you are on an 11 hour flight and need some shut eye.
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Des, I pry I never have the misfortune to be sitting behind or beside oafish or inconsiderate fellow passengers[:(!].By the way which airport do you most use:D: :):D?
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Never there is no room as it is without having someones headrest in your lap. Should defo be fixed seats unless long haul and seats that have more leg room.
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This is what short haul needs - OK maybe not the entertainment system but it would be nice :)
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_GB/whatonboard/neweconomyclass
The fixed-back shell seat in our Economy Class ensures that no one in front of you will ever intrude into your space again. So you can relax and enjoy your 9" widescreen TV with StudioCX - featuring a rotating library of 100 movies, 350 TV shows, 888 music CDs, 22 radio channels, and entertainment programmes in nine languages.
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I never recline my seat out of consideration for the person behind as I know how irritating it can be to have a stranger almost in your lap, though I almost always end up behind a "recliner". When we flew to Turkey last Saturday evening, the guy in front reclined his seat almost as soon as we were in the air. :(
I was reading a book which was on the tray in front of me. As he reclined, the tray came towards me and was touching my stomach! (I'm a size 12-14, height 5'2", so not exactly huge.) On some of these cramped planes with hardly any legroom, how do bigger/taller people manage? By the way, our seats were by the exit and fixed in position, so we were unable to recline our seats to give us a bit more room even if we had wanted to. :o
Same airline coming home last night (the dreaded Onur Air :-\ ) but it was a newer plane with more legroom, and the person in front remained in the upright position. A much nicer ride home! :)
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Originally posted by peter16
Des, I pry I never have the misfortune to be sitting behind or beside oafish or inconsiderate fellow passengers[:(!].By the way which airport do you most use:D: :):D?
Me Too ;)
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I can't understand people who have a attitude on short haul flights that reclining is a right regardless. When we fly we never recline unless the seat behind is empty as we have a baby we are astounded on the much to regular occassions how the people in the front seat will coo over her at boarding and then without notice just recline into her, as she was under 2 she had to sit on our lap so the reclining into the seat she is perched on without notice is unbelievable, needless to say we make sure they know about it and make the recliner a very embarrassed twat that they usually are. At 6.1 I know how precious space is on these planes but wouldn't recline and would prefer fixed seats to solve this issue once and for all before I have to do time when I run into the next DesMartinson!
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Originally posted by corbindallas
I can't understand people who have a attitude on short haul flights that reclining is a right regardless. When we fly we never recline unless the seat behind is empty as we have a baby we are astounded on the much to regular occassions how the people in the front seat will coo over her at boarding and then without notice just recline into her, as she was under 2 she had to sit on our lap so the reclining into the seat she is perched on without notice is unbelievable, needless to say we make sure they know about it and make the recliner a very embarrassed twat that they usually are. At 6.1 I know how precious space is on these planes but wouldn't recline and would prefer fixed seats to solve this issue once and for all before I have to do time when I run into the next DesMartinson!
I think you should read my post again Andrew, i was pointing out the function of seats, not to be an aggressor in anyway, in fact the aggressors seem to be the people behind who wish to inflict ABH on people, i:e whiplash etc. ;)
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I disagree desmartinson - the aggressors are people who recline their seats without (1) asking the person behind if they mind and (2) reclining without checking to see who is behind them (i.e. parent with young baby on their knee or someone who has put their table down and then finds it almost cutting them in two!)
Which is why anyone in front of me does it soon finds a sharp whack on the back of their seat! Surprising how often the seat goes back up without a word! :)
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Originally posted by marina
I disagree desmartinson - the aggressors are people who recline their seats without (1) asking the person behind if they mind and (2) reclining without checking to see who is behind them (i.e. parent with young baby on their knee or someone who has put their table down and then finds it almost cutting them in two!)
Which is why anyone in front of me does it soon finds a sharp whack on the back of their seat! Surprising how often the seat goes back up without a word! :)
as i said read my post, getting boring now:(
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I was referring to your remark "in fact the aggressors seem to be the people behind who wish to inflict ABH on people"
Damn right!! ;)
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The funny thing is, some say they wouldnt recline on a short haul flight but think its ok on a long haul flight.
I dont want to sit behind a recliner for any length of time, but the longer the flight, the worst it would be.
Dont recline, its not big, and its not clever
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on a long haul flight you have more leg room and reclining doesn't infringe on the persons behind yous space
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The logic that the seats CAN recline therefore you have a right to use the function doesn't wash with me. It's a matter of consideration. My stereo could deafen my neighbours, I don't do it though.
You don't pay for reclining seats on charter flights. If you get them you have a choice. You can put your needs first, or show some consideration. -Your choice. And if you choose to put your needs first, you might have to deal with the consequences...
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Originally posted by tinkerman
on a long haul flight you have more leg room and reclining doesn't infringe on the persons behind yous space
When you are 6ft 3in tall it does :(
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I'm 6'5" and it doesnt, who do you fly with Wright Bros.?
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Well its a matter of physics that there will be less space.
Things have changed since you last flew long haul with Wright Bros.:D
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Once I had seats empty in front and behind and tried the reclining function, I cant say they make much difference to the comfort of the seat, you still have the seat in front pressing on your knee, BUT, when you are sitting behind someone who has reclined it really makes a difference to your space especially when your coffee suddenly spills over you with no turbalence in sight,
Charters and economy airlines should have fixed seats then no probs
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Originally posted by tony jenkins
The funny thing is, some say they wouldnt recline on a short haul flight but think its ok on a long haul flight.
I dont want to sit behind a recliner for any length of time, but the longer the flight, the worst it would be.
Dont recline, its not big, and its not clever
Not sure you have ever flown long haul but if you have you will have probably noticed that 99% of people recline at some point so they can get some sleep. That's why they fit reclining seats!
I go back to Cathay Pacific - if you want long haul without the seat in front of you reclining into your space then fly with them. It's not as comfy but it's not bad either.
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Originally posted by tony jenkins
The funny thing is, some say they wouldnt recline on a short haul flight but think its ok on a long haul flight.
I dont want to sit behind a recliner for any length of time, but the longer the flight, the worst it would be.
Dont recline, its not big, and its not clever
Try sitting upright in a seat for 10 plus hours. I dont know what the seat space is for these charter and no frill airlines are like but heard it is not good. When you fly long haul with a normal airline then you do get a lot more space and when people recline in front of me it doesnt disturb me and I am over 6 foot tall.
There is a big difference in the seating configurations between short and long haul so your comments above are irrelevant.
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Originally posted by desmartinson
If the seat has a reclining function then the occupant has every right to use it as that is what they have paid for, why does the person behind feel they should decide how the person in front should sit, i am a six footer and allways use the reclining posistion to give me what little comfort is available, all the person behind has to do is the same then the space between seats would be exactly the same as it would be both in upright posistion, allthough i allways return to upright to eat or drink from the tray. and if anyone behind me thumped the seat or pushed it i assure you i would be waiting to see them outside our arrival destination to return the compliment. ;)
I have read it again and again Des and it still says to me 'I have a right to do what I like regardless of the situation behind me (baby on lap) and if you don't like it tough and if you object you will end up in a punch up!' thus I replied to it likewise![?]
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:DForum Rage a prequel to Air Rage:D
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Originally posted by tinkerman
I'm 6'5"
:D:D:D:D:D yeh, right....:D:D:D
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Originally posted by tinkerman
I'm 6'5"....
Don't be too hard on him fellow members, he suffers from dyscalculia. He meant 5'6".
(PS yes, I did have to look it up) :)
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Just remembered a recent experience. I flew Spanair from Barcelona to Palma last April. Although it was a 25 min hop, I could barely get the width of my hand between the 2 seats. My next flight was THY from Barcelona to Istanbul and there was over 4 hand widths (sorry dont carry tape measure on me) from my seat to the seat in front and reclining didnt bother me one bit.
So it all depends on the flight, airline and plane they use.
When doing online check in, I always use http://www.seatguru.com/ when choosing where to sit and see where the bad and good seats are. Although I dont think this would be much good for charter flights.
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Originally posted by pookie
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Originally posted by tinkerman
I'm 6'5"
:D:D:D:D:D yeh, right....:D:D:D
He meant age 65 pookie ;):D:D
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We flew with Easyjet a few weeks ago and they have fixed seats too. On short haul I don't, but long haul - yes although it's only when the lights go out and there's no food.
What I hate more than the reclining seat issue is sitting in front of children when they're allowed to kick my seat! OR sitting in front of them when they're allowed to peer over the back of their seat and dribble onto me!! Rant over!
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Originally posted by Elsa Padfield
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On short haul I don't, but long haul - yes although it's only when the lights go out and there's no food.
Perfect manners Elsa :)
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Yes- seat back kicking from kids is much worse!
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Thanks Tony, I was dragged up well :)
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when I objected to the bloke in front of me putting his seat back into my face on thomas cook he brought the stewardess to me and I was told to either move myself to the back or shut up!! as my stuff was over my head, i stayed where I was but they ought to definitely fix the seats.