Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Scunner on June 29, 2011, 12:30:47 PM
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"Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has said a householder who knifes a burglar will not have committed a criminal offence under plans to clarify the law on self-defence in England."
Best news I've heard in years, I can't wait for one to call now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13957587
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Sharpening my knives as we speak. What about beating them senseless with a bat whilst stabbling them? Presumably that's still illegal?
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I think that would be ok but you would have to stab them first.
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Right. Must remember to get my attack sequence in order.
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Not trying to be negative here but won't it just make some burglars 'tool up' more before they break in?
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So by affording legal protection to these scumbags means they are less likely to go tooled up? Don't see that somehow.
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You miss my point. If a burgler (I agree with your scumbag description) thinks a home owner is more likely to fight back with a knife (or whatever) then what's to stop him thinking he needs to get his attack in first and what's to stop him taking in a bigger knife than you have?
Americans have a similar view on protecting ones property. I would be interested to see how many crimes involve guns, knives and killings over there.
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The right to protect your home is one thing I always thought that the Americans got right. What you have to make sure is not to waste time by asking stupid questions like " What the hell are you doing here ?" - you should know what he is doing there and act immediately and decisively.
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I do get your point but I really don't think burglars have decided not to go tooled up purely for the fact that it is illegal for the householder to attack them. The threat of violence is already there surely?
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.... but if you were a petty thief knowing that a householder might stab you then my guess is you would either not go or you would make sure you got your attack in first.
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So called deterents don't usually work - people still commit crimes they know they can go to jail for or in some countries even die for - if you are tooled up the chances of you being over powered and your weapon used against you just increase the odds that you will get hurt...
I doubt if it is that easy to actually stick a knife into someone either - what if it hits a bone - what are you going to do then? Take a few jabs while your burgular stands idly by and lets you do it. I don't think so.
I personally wouldn't want to see the UK go the way of the States - this just seems to be the beginning of the slippery slope to me.
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but that would mean carrying the weapon with you on your way to the burglary, and then you might get stopped and arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. The vast majority are cowards and will not risk it, equally if they did and then got caught they would be charged with an extra crime not you. No can only be good news and bad for the tea leaf.
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are you allowed to leave yours windows open:D: :)
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Originally posted by nichola
So called deterents don't usually work - people still commit crimes they know they can go to jail for or in some countries even die for - if you are tooled up the chances of you being over powered and your weapon used against you just increase the odds that you will get hurt...
I doubt if it is that easy to actually stick a knife into someone either - what if it hits a bone - what are you going to do then? Take a few jabs while your burgular stands idly by and lets you do it. I don't think so.
I personally wouldn't want to see the UK go the way of the States - this just seems to be the beginning of the slippery slope to me.
I agree Nichola. This is from a US study - substitute guns for knives if you wish:
"Research and statistics have shown that guns intensify crime situations, and increase the likelihood of a more violent or lethal outcome"
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if you hold the knife with the blade being horizontal it will miss or slip passed the bonethats if you are trying for the chest, but you would be better with a baseball bat where you dont need such close contact and bring it down on the shoulder blades rendering your assailent useless.
I can see you with a baseball bat Nicola, not a full one but pink and skimpy:D
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Yes me too Andy :D
- actually can't believe though that any one of us seriously thinks they can knife someone.
What a sad state of affairs...
These type of "solutions" to crime really are like sticking a plaster onto a decapitated head. Is it too much to ask that our politicions start to address the real issues behind crime.
There are countries like New Zealand where not only do the public have a very high regard for the police they also have a very low crime rate. Maybe we can learn some lessons instead of this type of knee jerk reaction that I feel will ultimately lead to more deaths, maiming and misery.
I'd rather just let someone rob my tele
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What size tele have you got?
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The size that can easily be replaced ;)
Possessions mean nothing at the end of the day...
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Yes possibly but I don't expect people to enter my home and take them!
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well if you were expecting them it wouldn't be burglary would it
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Originally posted by nichola
The size that can easily be replaced ;)
I bet you say that to all the boys :o
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Originally posted by Scunner
Yes possibly but I don't expect people to enter my home and take them!
Me neither but I value my limbs and life more 8)
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I cannot agree with the pacifist attitude; I prefer not to be walked over. For my sins, my first 9 years of employment were as a maths teacher. Corporal punishment was still to the fore when I started teaching, although it started to be phased out. My experience was that it did act as a deterrent. There were one or two hard nuts whom it did not seem to bother, but I found that the threat of the cane was sufficient to bring most unruly pupils back into order.