Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Turkey Discussion Forum (Not Calis specifically) => Topic started by: tel on July 02, 2011, 10:05:31 AM
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As there is a fair amount of Turkish contributors on CBF, how about a reverse view.
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Loaded
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I've seen the reverse view, and it ain't pretty.
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you're not Turkish :D
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I can tell why British Coming to Turkey Now....
but my one word is
"RUSH"
you have to be in rush all the time
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Alcoholics. Hic.
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Originally posted by ytokgoz
I can tell why British Coming to Turkey Now....
but my one word is
"RUSH"
you have to be in rush all the time
You haven't met my husband!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fat, Ugly, Tattooed, Beer-Bellied, Loud-Mouthed, Violent,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and that's just the women. ;)
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should we rename the topic what the British think of the British :D
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or what the expats think of tourists?
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I don't go to Tuesday market usually in the season but having visitors who wanted to go off we trot.
On arrival at the market we met with a Tourist coach tipping off it's load, no problem there. As we waited for the crowds to disperse we then watched 3 young ladies strip to there bikinis and but a short sarong around there waist and proceed to walk round the market. The young Turks may like this but I doubt the older ones do. What about some respect for the country they are visiting, This is not something they would do in there home towns so why here. Keep this dress code for the beach!!!
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We sometimes forget to respect the Turkish view on things. The Tuesday market example is a good one. I remember about 5 years ago going to Patara (the free end) and my other half almost being chased off the beach by a few older Turkish ladies - and she wasnt even wearing a bikini!
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Originally posted by kevman
I don't go to Tuesday market usually in the season but having visitors who wanted to go off we trot.
On arrival at the market we met with a Tourist coach tipping off it's load, no problem there. As we waited for the crowds to disperse we then watched 3 young ladies strip to there bikinis and but a short sarong around there waist and proceed to walk round the market. The young Turks may like this but I doubt the older ones do. What about some respect for the country they are visiting, This is not something they would do in there home towns so why here. Keep this dress code for the beach!!!
When I see them dressed like this and often without the sarong, I say in a loud voice "would you walk around at home looking like that"
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Originally posted by HappyMonday
almost being chased off the beach by a few older Turkish ladies - and she wasnt even wearing a bikini!
Well, I'm not at all surprised! :D ;):D
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himm let me see if I understood
You are english man chased by old Turkish women who are not wearing bikini???
I want to smoke what you are smoking. It must be good quality. :)
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Souldn't the tour reps give advice on dress code when away from the beach.
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That would be a good idea but half of them dont care and wouldnt take any notice anyway.
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Yes, I agree. I saw a 'fly on the wall' type programme about a Hospital in Spain. A girl was visiting a friend wearing a bikini, and was most indignant when a nurse told her she was inappropriately dressed. Basically the attitude is "I will do what I damned well want", -its all about ME.
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I would welcome a Turkish view on the British generally not just the ones who wear bikinis and swill lager down their necks. Believe it or not there are some of us out here who generally behave themselves and do try to fit in. Are we just talking about holiday makers here? also the majority who are very well behaved. We live in a predominantly Turkish area through choice and we were very worried how they would react to us.i.e. would thy resent us moving in etc.etc.but we have had no adverse treatment whatsoever. In our area there are only 10 of us in different properties living here full time. Maybe they wouldnt like it if there were 100's of us taking over the place.
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An interesting topic this one and got me thinking. My partner is a Turkish National and we quite often discuss this topic. We have homes in various regions of the country. The only one where we come in contact with the British is in the Fethiye area where we have an apartment in a complex in the gunlukbasi area. I have heard her pass comment on many an occasion about why there is a need for so much negativity between the British towards each other. It could be that it is just part of life on a complex. The complex which has about 70/30 weighted in favour of Turkish nationals is getting better as the percentage of Turkish gets higher as there is less tension. It is clear to me from what I have observed that the Turkish people have no issue who their neighbours are as long as they respect the country, the people and their traditions.
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Sadly,we all tend to get tarred by the same brush and if you get the tourist majority performing like a load of mindless idiots, then this is how most foreigners tend to see us all and lets face it, we can pass ourselves off as being very arrogant but that is not all of us. Most Brits, on holiday, expect the rank and file to be able to speak our language and so we take little pains to learn theirs but amazingly, there are kids on the street who can speak better English than I can speak Turkish and I have learned a little Turkish.
Our dress code, in certain areas, leaves a lot to be desired but are we bothered? We expect to be able to carry on as if we are at home.God alone knows what they think of the U.K. no wonder everybody wants to get into it.
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I shudder to think what the Turkish think of some of the Brits in Turkey, probably the same as many of us do! But it isn't fair to single out Brits in Turkey - it's all races in numbers in all countries - Turks in the UK often stick together, fight each other and generally fail to integrate fully, as we also fail to do in Turkey, Spain, etc. - in our local area in England the main immigrant population was Italians - and they were fairly poor integrators till their next generation came along who are still proud Italians but generally proud to be British too (until it's England v Italy in the footie ;) ) - we had Italian shops, Italian Dinner & Dances and it is all very similar to the Poles nowadays - it takes time for any arriving population to bed in.
We are quick to point out the rows and friction, the "shepherd's pie" mentality and the birds of a feather activity of our own countryfolk but it really is found in all races, wherever they congregate to live abroad. As for girls walking around in bikinis I applaud it ;) - it is a holiday resort that exists as it is because of holidaymakers. People should not be shocked or object to it, they know they are living in a place where "western" europeans come to get brown and p***ed - although only in the main Calis area - walking around Gunlukbasi or Tuzla in skimpy beachwear really should be discouraged.
Just my opinion :)
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If people did what everyone else did, then nothing would change. People talk about respecting 'traditions', but traditions can vary within a country and some locals will never have heard of what other people consider to be 'traditions'. Things on the beach have changed in the UK; if you look at old photographs, you will see men wearing jackets, ties and hats on the beach; I guess that makes all modern men disrespectful of their forefathers. Whether you like it or not, change happens and traditions disappear. However, I do not like to upset people and moderate my actions accordingly. I was puzzled, therefore, when walking in Gunlukbasi to be hissed at by a middle-aged Turkish lady. I was dressed in shorts and T shirt and was holding hands with my girlfriend, who was wearing a long dress (slightly low cut). We were just walking and I was totally at a loss to understand the hissing. If someone can enlighten me, I would be grateful, but it would not stop me doing the same thing again because it was only one hiss despite passing many Turkish ladies.
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Perhaps it was because you were holding her hand? Who knows?
I've recently noticed, in Fethiye, a lot of young Turkish girls walking around in shorts and t-shirts. They're probaably on holiday from Istanbul/Ankara or wherever but they are defintely more relaxed with their dress.
Also, the local men seem to have become more modern. 3/4 years ago all the men seemed to wear jeans and shirt, now the majority of them seem to be dressed in shorts (knee length) and shirts. Fashion/dress sense is defintely coming to Fethiye but it is still a Muslim country, albeit secular.
IMO the young lads look at the girls in the markets and either appreciate it or laugh (depending on the figure ;)) but would they take them home to meet Anna? Possibly not.
When I go to visit my Turkish neighbours I dress appropriately, I know this is appreciated by both the ladies and the middle-aged men of the family. And I make sure my daughter, beautiful slim body (hate her!) does the same.
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Originally posted by maximumtom
If people did what everyone else did, then nothing would change. People talk about respecting 'traditions', but traditions can vary within a country and some locals will never have heard of what other people consider to be 'traditions'. Things on the beach have changed in the UK; if you look at old photographs, you will see men wearing jackets, ties and hats on the beach; I guess that makes all modern men disrespectful of their forefathers. Whether you like it or not, change happens and traditions disappear. However, I do not like to upset people and moderate my actions accordingly. I was puzzled, therefore, when walking in Gunlukbasi to be hissed at by a middle-aged Turkish lady. I was dressed in shorts and T shirt and was holding hands with my girlfriend, who was wearing a long dress (slightly low cut). We were just walking and I was totally at a loss to understand the hissing. If someone can enlighten me, I would be grateful, but it would not stop me doing the same thing again because it was only one hiss despite passing many Turkish ladies.
she's probably bitter because her man's down the genelev holding hands with someone in a low cut top. Shouldn't worry about the hissing, people like that often have much hypocrisy in their own family, just hiss back - they have no right.
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Originally posted by peecee
Perhaps it was because you were holding her hand? Who knows?
I've recently noticed, in Fethiye, a lot of young Turkish girls walking around in shorts and t-shirts. They're probaably on holiday from Istanbul/Ankara or wherever but they are defintely more relaxed with their dress.
I was in Fethiye yesterday and noticed a young turkish girl walking about near the PTT in a bikini top and shorts. Things have changed!!!
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Originally posted by tel
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Originally posted by peecee
Perhaps it was because you were holding her hand? Who knows?
I've recently noticed, in Fethiye, a lot of young Turkish girls walking around in shorts and t-shirts. They're probaably on holiday from Istanbul/Ankara or wherever but they are defintely more relaxed with their dress.
I was in Fethiye yesterday and noticed a young turkish girl walking about near the PTT in a bikini top and shorts. Things have changed!!!
Totally agree Tel. Our Turkish neighbour and his British girlfriend have family visiting from Istanbul. Yesterday, the women went to the market and the visitors wore short skirts and vest tops, whilst the British woman wore the headscarf and long coat and dress.
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I was having this same conversation with Sandy the other day, theres a very definite change in what Turkish people are wearing and fashions in the shops are a lot more like UK high street now
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I know the young Turkish owner of a small complex of holiday villas in a little coastal resort. He went to London for a tourism conference - his first trip to the UK. He stayed with British friends, previous guests of his.
When he came back he was raving about the wonders of the UK. What had impressed him so much? Two things. First, central heating - in every room, even in the toilet! "I can now see why British tourists who come out of season always ask about heating in their villas. Second, the SkyPlus box allowing you to view, rewind, record, everythig! "One day Turkey will have technology like this".