Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: Highlander on July 02, 2011, 11:24:07 AM
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The Good:
Meeting People:
As always, the highlight of our 2011 visit was the fabulous people. First and foremost of course my traveling companions, Mrs H and Martha for putting up with me.
And then, and in absolutely no specific order, CBF members - Lazaras (who we were fortunate to meet on a water taxi), Nichola (and Dogun of course), Lynn (rindaloo) and Dave, Alan (number2), kayakebab (and her lovely sister), Lesley, Colin, Firo and Eric and Caz.
Then there were our local friends including shoeshine (Adem - who we met as what seemed like a young lad and who is now the proud father of twins, Nevra, Hulya and Ibo at Maya (we also had the pleasure of meeting Nevra's business partner and partner, jerry (as in boat), Mustafa and Murat at Scarlett, Joseph, Billy (at Bostans), Tansu (at Bus Stop) and Zeki and Sabri (at Infinity Jewellry) and many others.
Flying from Aberdeen:
Shorter journey to and from airport, much more relaxed, no green and white shell suits or daughters called Charlene or Britney. Also sat beside nice people, what a difference that makes.
Apartment:
After our transfer driver eventually found it, whilst very small (but we hadn't brought a cat), was very well situated for us and we virtually had the pool to ourselves.
Art Class:
Nichola persuade me (she is a very difficult lady to say no to) to attend this event at Mozaik Bache. Although my "wind surfer" was no where near as good as flowers Nichola allowed me to paint over, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Backgammon:
Although I generally got slaughtered by Nevra (couldn't fully concentrate for obvious reasons) and others I really enjoyed the odd game. I cannot believe how quickly the locals play.
Boat Trip:
Arranged to go out with Jerry and as it turned out there were only 4 passengers so we virtually had the boat to our self.
Maya Café & Bar:
I think I may have said this before, and I am massively biased, but Brenda and I are so very pleased for our dear friend Nevra seems to be making such a success of her venture in what I understand is very much male dominated environment.
Burlesque Show in Scarlett:
Still haven't fully recovered. These guys always seem to be trying something different every year.
Lunchtime Date:
My thanks to Alan (number2) for giving us the opportunity of meeting Lynn and Dave at Café Soul.
Travel:
Constantly impressed with the frequency, value for money and helpfulness of people on the dolmus. For example, our return trip to Gocek on the dolmus was 21tl (or approximately £ 8.00)
Oludeniz:
The improvements to the front along the beach are very impressive.
My dearest friend:
All that having been said and without any doubt, the greatest pleasure of our holiday was being able to call in to see my dearest friends Scott and Fiona in Aberdeen. We have known each other since our very early teens and it was really great to see Fiona looking so well after having suffered a heart attack some five weeks ago. I love her dearly and wish her a continued and full recovery.
The Bad:
Missing people:
We were so sorry to have missed Gav, Chrissie (and Pete), Tinkerman (and Pauline) and heatherhanum (and Nigel). If you are a CBF member and we didn't come across each other, than maybe next time.
Tourist Numbers:
Everywhere we went was extremely quiet with very few tourists going about. Gocek was a case in point. Let's hope business picks up during the season.
Sizes:
Abruptly finding out that, amongst other things, flight seats and sunbeds have suddenly shrunk in width.
Boat Trip:
Despite the "good" of the small numbers we didn't venture out very far. I understand the economics regarding the distances in relation to the numbers on the boat, but it's not the first that it has happened. And I didn't actually receive my promised "exclusive" Jerry Boat t-shirt. Still, a good day out - thanks Jerry and Dalya and "the young fella".
Gocek:
Despite having a lovely day out, didn't see anyone famous. I don't know the full story, but apparently there are only a few boats which can do boat trips to Gocek. But it's easy to go by dolmus and is well worth a visit.
Turkish Tourists:
Mrs H did commented on how many Turkish tourists were in Calis when we were there. I was told by a local businessman that Turkish Tourists are charged more than others which is clearly a contradiction with the practice that expats are charged more than Turkish people for services etc.
Children:
A pet hate of mine I'm afraid, but I just don't like to see young kids in buggies being wheeled around the resort at all hours.
Invitations:
Despite passing both establishments on numerous occasions, not once being handed a leaflet for either B52 or MCM ;).
1985:
Coming to the realization that the only things that were going to swell to twice their normal size during the two weeks were my ankles ;). Note to self - make doctor's appointment.
The Ugly:
Parents with teenage girls:
I would hope that I cannot be accused of being prudish, but I was shocked and appalled to see how provocatively dressed young teenage girls were allowed to walk around the resorts with their parents. Surely they are at a vulnerable and impressionable age and need guidance and "protection".
Rubbish:
It seems to me that this is getting worse. The rubbish lying beside wheelie bins is an "ABSOLUTE" disgrace. Only in Turkey would the local Council spray the inside of wheelie bins and leave rotting food stuffs and loads of other rubbish laying immediately adjacent to the bins.
We also noticed far more litter and debris on the islands we visited on a boat trip and indeed floating on the water.
Dangerous:
Watching a toddler (without arm bands) being left on the pool steps while granny went for a cigarette and seeing her slip under the water. Fortunately, granny hadn't wandered of too far and was able to pull her back up in time but very frightening.
Loungers:
People who will insist on laying across three seats at Gates at the airport. There are barely enough seats for everyone to get one anyway and this practice is about as inconsiderate as it gets.
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Sorry we missed you H, next time ;)
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It was delightful as slways to spend time with you, Brenda and Martha. Thank you for sharing your time and good on you for coming to the art class - not as easy as it looks ;) we enjoyed having you 8)
Nichola & Dogan (Dogan is now signing off ;))
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Us too H
Excellent post- holiday account
Regarding the rubbish,it is a pet hate of ours and I can't get
my head round why people cannot dispose of their unwanted trash the correct way,last year whilst cycling away from the built up areas the rubbish dumped in the hedgerows and roadsides amazed me.
Geoff
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Agree with most of your points but the bit about pushchairs being pushed around at night I must say I cant see any harm if your little one is fast asleep in a comfy pushchair. But I HATE HATE HATE seeing people drinking when they have children with them!
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H after 'knowing' you for so long. It was a real treat to meet you and Brenda. The icing on the cake was some Scottish smuggled goods ;) And, amazingly, there's still some left :D Very much appreciated, though now I am blaming you for my weight problem....
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Was lovely to meet you, couldn't really chat much as I haven't learnt to paint properly, let alone paint & talk.
Shame I missed you the following week but have had a poorly arm, so no painting for me.
Are you back again this year?
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Some very good points made there, and one I am in full agreement is the 'loungers'. It infuriates me when I see selfish people taking up three or even four seats for themselves and their bags and don't even seem to notice others standing. I refuse to stand when I see people doing this and always ask them to move so that I can sit down. [:(!]
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Really really sorry to have missed you H - yet again! It seems like we are destined never to meet! :D Firstly we missed you by a couple of hours at Maya and the next time it was because my mobile was out of charge and I did not pick your text up until the next day - so very sorry :-\ Hopefully next time?
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Have to agree about the rubbish, I wish that Turkish people would not throw it everywhere around the bins.
Glad you like Aberdeen Airport, bet you missed all the clapping when you landed?
Re the buggy dislike. My Daughter, Son-in-law and Granddaughter were over with us this time. They were very firm with the rule that my Granddaughter should keep to her normal bed time which is usually around 7.30pm. So they either had a long late lunch, then a meal or take away at our place or an early dinner out in the evening. They did not want to take the baby out at night and push her around in a buggy and get her out of her bedtime routine. They also don't like the idea of keeping a baby up really late so the parents can go out to bars and restaurants. So have to agree there too. However, if a baby is used to being kept up late and pushed around the streets I suppose it's O.K.
However, last year I remember a large family at the next table to us in the Chinese Breeze coming in at 10.30pm with a baby and two young children. They ordered drinks and meals. The children where obviously very tired and really did not want the food, the baby cried and the parents started to shout at the children for running around. I love children but I don't think they should be in restaurants so late at night when they should be tucked up in bed.
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Brilliant account of your Holiday H and glad you had a good time. Sorry we didn't get to meet you this time but I believe you were arriving just as we were leaving.
We too had a fantastic time as usual sadly all over too soon. :)
We also went on a boat trip with Jerry but unfortunately we chose the one day of the holiday were it decided to have a thunderstorm. But it didn't spoil the day. We still had good company and good food and real laugh.
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Did you meet anyone else that perhaps you forgot to mention? :D
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Interesting account of your holiday H :)
Re Parents and teenage girls: If you don't mind me asking, what would you class as provocatively dressed? I would class it as very low cut tops and shorts/skirts/dresses that would fail the knicker test but I'm not sure how someone else would define it.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Did you meet anyone else that perhaps you forgot to mention? :D
Once again my attempts at spelling and humour appear to have resulted in abject failure:(.
You were the first in the CBF list.
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Originally posted by tiddly winks
Interesting account of your holiday H :)
I would class it as very low cut tops and shorts/skirts/dresses that would fail the knicker test
You would be correct tiddly winks. The worst example was in Oludeniz with a girl of I would guess to have been about 14 wearing a very low strappy top and "sprayed on" denim hot pants or whatever they call them these days.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Did you meet anyone else that perhaps you forgot to mention? :D
Lazarus!? I got it straight away H and thought it very funny ;)
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It might have been Rob but only if I'd spelt it right :-\
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Originally posted by Highlander
It might have been Rob but only if I'd spelt it right :-\
I should have known he would have have been one step ahead! :(
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Originally posted by Highlander
Once again my attempts at spelling and humour appear to have resulted in abject failure:(.
You were the first in the CBF list.
I do apologise, I have now done my research and must admit I am not particularly knowledgeable on the subject of religion. I was however pretty sure I didn't know of a CBF member with the nickname 'Lazarus' :D
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No problem - it was very good meeting up again and I can assure you that the photographic record will remain a matter between ourselves ;).
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Must admit I am quite shocked by the comment about young children being 'pushed round the resort at all hours'. I have two young children (fortunately they are not called Charlene or Brittany or I really would be enraged at this point ;)), and in the very hot summer months the evenings are the best time to take them out for a walk and for them to try to get some fresh air before they go to bed. You see plenty of Turkish families with young babies out at night walking along the prom (I know because I often walk out with my Turkish sister in law and her children), surely they cannot also be expected to keep the children away from the prom so that everyone can have a child free holiday?!
It would be far more irresponsible (and disruptive to others) if I were to drag my sons around the resort in the middle of the day when it is far too hot for them to be out and about and tantrums would be sure to ensue. It's the children's holiday too, they cannot be expected to be kept indoors for the holiday's duration just because someone may take offence at their pushchair!
If we choose to eat out in the evenings with the kids (which we by no means do every night, not that it would be anyone else's business if we did) we ensure that as far as is possible they are no bother to anyone else. We do not sit getting sozzled next to the pram and wouldn't dream of taking them into bars or nightclubs.
I appreciate that children are not everyone's cup of tea (I remember my relaxed holidays to Calis pre-kids and how I used to groan inwardly at the sight of a table of toddlers in a restaurant) but don't think its fair to assume that just because someone, shock horror, takes their child out at night they are deliberately out to ruin everyone's holiday, or a bad parent.
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serkulmehmet
Forgive me if I did not make myself clear. I do not expect Calis to be child free and have absolutely no objection to families going out together for the evening and eating out together.
What I do not like to see is those parents who do sit getting sozzled next to their kids pushchairs in bars and/or nightclubs. I've seen it so often in Scarlett for example when two or three groups all arrive together at well after 12.
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Aah ok, that makes more sense now. It just seemed like a rather sweeping generalisation!
I am always tucked up in bed long before 12 (in preparation for aforementioned kids jumping on me at 6am the next day) so it never occurred to me that people were out with small kids in bars until silly o'clock. Bet they pay for it the next day with the lethal hangover/sun/small children cocktail though :P
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Originally posted by Highlander
You would be correct tiddly winks. The worst example was in Oludeniz with a girl of I would guess to have been about 14 wearing a very low strappy top and "sprayed on" denim hot pants or whatever they call them these days.
I'm glad we have the same definition. It's just sometimes on holidays people have different ones, I usually wear shorts and vest top while out to deal with the heat but make sure the top is not too low cut. I think some girls need to see where the line has been crossed between being dressed comfortably in the heat and then revealing a little too much!
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Re the rubbish issue, I actually watch them spraying the inside of the bins near where we were staying and yet leaving rotten food stuffs which had been left outside of the bins. AGHHHHHHHHHH:(
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Glad you had a nice time, H, sorry we missed you..
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Indeed Moe - very bad planning.
And of course I should have said that we missed out on seeing GB and Nick which was a big disappointment.
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Hi Just regarding the kids comments, After I have chased my 3 year old around all day she normally falls asleep in her pushchair all snug with her teddy and blanket and we do enjoy a few well earned drinks in the evening breeze outside a bar Bostons probably!
In no way do we get hammered! BUT we do need to relax as well.
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Originally posted by Highlander
Loungers:
People who will insist on laying across three seats at Gates at the airport. There are barely enough seats for everyone to get one anyway and this practice is about as inconsiderate as it gets.
Just to agree with you on this point H - it really annoys me as well !!!
Ian
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Originally posted by Spicy1979
Hi Just regarding the kids comments, After I have chased my 3 year old around all day she normally falls asleep in her pushchair all snug with her teddy and blanket and we do enjoy a few well earned drinks in the evening breeze outside a bar Bostons probably!
In no way do we get hammered! BUT we do need to relax as well.
Hear hear! you're on holiday for Heaven's sake so why not - we probably all do stuff on hols we wouldn't do at home and as long as nobody is being uncaring then you should be able to keep little ones around you without all the "tut tuts" Asleep in the pushchair worked just fine and dandy for our granddaughter last year and meant we could all relax during and after dinner - job done.
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H got to agree on the rubbish issue. A pet hate particulalry when I see rubbish strewn around for no other reason than ignorance.
Mind you that level of ignorance is not just a Turkish thing. Last Sunday I was in Bracknell and this car pulled up 10 yards from us, with two young scrotes in. The driver then proceeeded to throw out of his window onto the road his chip bag, followed by the lid of his drink, then his drink cup and straw, then a couple of napkins, followed by the KFC chicken box full of bones. And not ten yards away from where they pulled up was street bin!
Mrs UBT seeing my anger advised me to say nothing, and to let it go. Against my better judgement I followed her advice, but when i walked over to the bin to get rid of some rubbish I got to the other side of the scrotes car to discover that his passenger had done exactly the same on his side. By now steam was coming out of the ears, and I could no longer bit my tounge so went over to them and gave them both barrels about what low lifes they were, how they had been brought up, with plenty of explitives of the choicest variety.
They looked shocked, whether it was my bawling them out through the window of their car, or shocked that anyone should care what they do. So after a couple of minutes of my rant and threats, they went off, I believe, a little shaken but with a good flea in their ear, examples included 'Go on bring yer dad back here and I'll explain how he failed in bringing up a scrote' 'Yes and please bring back yer mates, cos I'll be waiting' all littered with plent of explitives I'm afraid.
I am not sure they had learnt anything from the advice I gave them, but I was determined they were going to hear it. Mrs UBT says I have to stop doing this sort of thing as I'm getting too old for it, I'll probably get done by the old bill or worse by those I remonstrate with. A possibility I recognise, but why should we allow unsocial behaviour to go unchallenged, if there was more of it, perhaps we would see better things around us.
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It was great to meet you Highlander.
I have become a fan of Maya Bar, and hope their success continues.
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I totally agree UBT! You wouldn't have got into trouble with the police if you would have just picked it up and thrown it back through the window all over them! You wouldn't have been as angry and could have just walked away laughing saying 'Retribution!.
:D:D:D
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Originally posted by cazza
It was great to meet you Highlander.
I have become a fan of Maya Bar, and hope their success continues.
The pleasure was all mine cazza. Hope to meet up again especially if it was in Maya :)
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I agree with you in regards to people dragging their young kids about at midnight-gone. I'll be out there with my 2 monsters in August (3yrs and 20mth). Their usual bedtime is no later than 7.30pm so in keeping with the time difference i'll be keeping them up until 9.30pm, maybe 10pm a couple of nights (This also means they SHOULD get me up at 8am and not 6am! :) ). I will have a beer whilst out if I fancy it but if I want to have 'a few' I'll have them once the kids are settled and in bed... I intend to enjoy my holiday too but there's no need to do it in an irresponsible manner.
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Originally posted by xxbilleigh-joxx
I agree with you in regards to people dragging their young kids about at midnight-gone. I'll be out there with my 2 monsters in August (3yrs and 20mth). Their usual bedtime is no later than 7.30pm so in keeping with the time difference i'll be keeping them up until 9.30pm, maybe 10pm a couple of nights (This also means they SHOULD get me up at 8am and not 6am! :) ). I will have a beer whilst out if I fancy it but if I want to have 'a few' I'll have them once the kids are settled and in bed... I intend to enjoy my holiday too but there's no need to do it in an irresponsible manner.
Its all about opinions I suppose, but just to point out like I did previously if my daughter is still out she will be wrapped up nice and warm and once she is asleep we will take her home.
In no way am I irresponsible as my little girl is the best thing in the world to me.
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I can not see any problem with children being out late with their parents on holiday. If they are at an age to enjoy themselves, then great. If they are very young and are asleep in their buggy, also great.
The parents and their children are 'on holiday' for a couple of weeks every year. This is the time when all the family can be together, and enjoy themselves.
I smile when I see parents and children enjoying their holiday,together.
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Originally posted by tony jenkins
I can not see any problem with children being out late with their parents on holiday. If they are at an age to enjoy themselves, then great. If they are very young and are asleep in their buggy, also great.
The parents and their children are 'on holiday' for a couple of weeks every year. This is the time when all the family can be together, and enjoy themselves.
I smile when I see parents and children enjoying their holiday,together.
Totally agree.
To be honest everyone has their own parenting skills and as I have only one daughter its a learning curve for me but she is always happy and as long as she is fine im happy.
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We always made sure our `little ones` were in bed by 7.30pm ish in hotels all around the med years ago,We always stayed in the hotel bars or sat on the balconies,or were in the grounds of the hotels after their bed time, and regularly checked on him / them religously every hour. If he or they ever needed us, we always left instructions with them to pick up the phone to ring down to reception. He / they always were so burnt out they always went to sleep virtually immediately and over several years, bless them, they never not once woke up or needed us. The great thing about this was that the evenings were `our time` and it always worked. Next day he / they were never grumpy and tired because they slept well. We are all different I know but thats how we treated our kids. I am afraid standards today have changed for the worse... Many parents allow their kids to stay up to all hours running around in restaurants and bars when its really late. Late at night is `adults time` at least thats how we viewed it.In Hisarony many a time these days we have seen youngsters in the arms of parents late at night either screaming or crying or asleep etc, and why ? because they are over tired from lack of sleep probably from the night before and so on. To mention something that really angers me is seeing parents
( if you can call them that ) allowing their extremly young children, drinking several mouthfuls of spirits or beer out of their `parents` glasses :-\ The `parents` thinking... "great ain`t it " and approvingly smiling to themselves :o Oh how times are changing !!!
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We also wouldn`t dream of taking our kids out of school time on holidays, always half terms or summer holiday time.... now many parents dont give a toss !! we all see children of school age ( dont mean the infants ) out and about in holiday tourist spots during school terms ,and yes, even years ago, school holiday times were always the most expensive weeks in the brochures, but we had to pay it back then , so the parents today cant use that as an excuse. As I said ... unfortunately parental standards have dropped for many :-(
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We all sadly know what 'religously checking them every hour' can lead to.
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I thought someone would come on here and make that comment. We were 80% of the time on our balcony in the next room, and 20% of the time in the hotel lounge area. Also I cant recall ever having a ground floor room ( unlike the couple you are referring to ) we always had 2nd or 3rd floor or more rooms in the hotels. Sadly the couple you are referring to were positioned on the ground floor and some distance from the main block and were extremely unfortunate to have a weirdo paodaphile or whatever monitoring their every movement.
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I see no harm if children stay up late here especially while on holiday, if you look around you will find that Turkish Children are always up late in the summer. Its cooler for them to sleep later at night, that said you wont see too many Turks drinking too much alcohol while the children are with them Although some do!
I used to take my boys out of school for holidays because my husband worked shifts and had no choice at all of days off, they didnt suffer educatioon wise its only a couple of weeks and mostly it would be May June when near the end of term and the schools werent doing much more than winding down for the end of year with sports days etc,
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I actually think your sitting in a hotel bar whilst your children are asleep in a hotel room be it second, third or ground floor is far worse than a little one being safely asleep in their pushchair safe and sound with their parents.
Your parenting skills leave alot to be desired in my eyes Sleuth yet you condemn those of us who have had our children out later in the evening. Adult time isn't a God given right if you choose to have a family.
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Who mentioned anything about complaining about babies asleep in pushchairs Anne ?? Not me. babies sleep at all time of the day / night. You looked at my post but you did not read. I was referring to infants running around,11pm onwards, crying, screaming, and showing off because they are overtired and should be in bed ! not babies asleep in pushchairs.
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Originally posted by Sleuth
` In Hisarony many a time these days we have seen youngsters in the arms of parents late at night either screaming or crying or asleep etc,
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Tony, quit the wind up and drop it please `youngsters` the term I used hardly refers to `babies` in pushchairs.
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Ok. (no harm meant) :-\
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same difference Sleuth, children of any age out with their parents, be it asleep in arms, screaming or showing off as you put it are safe and sound. Left alone in a hotel room.................
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Since I started this thread can I jump back in.
I should have been more specific, What I don't like to see is very young children being wheeled into bars late at night (after 12 and later) and parked while their parents knock copious amounts of alcohol over their necks for the following two or three hours.
I think it might be a good idea if we discussed that rather than personalising things.
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What I don't like to see is children running around bars and restaurants crying and fighting with each other just because they are tired and need there beds while their parents are too busy enjoying themselves to take any notice of them. For people who don't have children with them, who just want a nice enjoyable evening it is not pleasant to have their evening ruined by them.
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Spot on Cheers well said !!
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Lovely post 'H'. Myself Gav and Ben waited at Maya for you for an age on your first night there........sadly it was a no show.......you stood us up Mr H. :(
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I was also referring to the over-tired crying kids that you see being dragged about- if a child is asleep in their pushchair and content, I see no problem, parents need to relax too (if only mine would do that!! :D)
I also remember being on holiday in The Gambia, I was 8 at the time (1994). My parents left me alone to sleep in the evenings (ground floor chalet, doors open wide) whilst they sat with my older brother in the hotel bar.. Times have changed but to be honest I don't think I could leave mine- even at 8.. That's just me though :)
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I have to admit I take my two boys out late at night when on holiday. Yes, they get over tired and scream and shout, annoy other people in the bar, show off and fight. I tried the push chair thing but it made no difference whatsoever. Oh, did I mention they are 24 and 21 years old. Sods!:D
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Originally posted by june
Lovely post 'H'. Myself Gav and Ben waited at Maya for you for an age on your first night there........sadly it was a no show.......you stood us up Mr H. :(
Thank you June. Not meeting is a mystery as I'm sure we were in around 10:00 (on the 17th):(.
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Love it Piscoe!! 8)
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The good ....... The majority of turkish people we have met in all walks of life these past twelve years
The bad ....... Ex pats who expect prefferential treatment, discounts and concessions on prices etc all year round .. solely because " they live there now "
The ugly ....... The dreaded karaoke bars and the `noise` they emit from people who when drunk.. think they are potential talent to appear on X factor type shows ughh
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Originally posted by Piscoe
I have to admit I take my two boys out late at night when on holiday. Yes, they get over tired and scream and shout, annoy other people in the bar, show off and fight. I tried the push chair thing but it made no difference whatsoever. Oh, did I mention they are 24 and 21 years old. Sods!:D
:D Excellent!
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It's not that we who live here expect preferential treatment. It is because we live here that we know how much the difference in price is for the tourists and the local Turkish people. We want to pay the same as them and why not? If you speak to some of the local lokatana.s etc. They will freely admit that they have different prices for tourists,including visiting tourists from Istanbul, Izmir etc and local Turkish families. If you are happy to pay then carry on. We are not. We want fair treatment that is all.
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I have to disagree with Anne (mercury) a little here [:o]
Just back from a lovely trip to Spain and seeing a different expat set up to Turkey, I do see something of an attitude. It's a mild "we live here" arrogance that is only just visible but certainly exists - that because they live there they know more about every last topic than you, they feel they should get a little more than you or pay a little less than you, and that they should really get it before you do. I'm not suggesting this is the widespread attitude in Turkey or that it is the attitude of Anne (God forbid 8) ) - perhaps I was guilty of it too when I lived there. It is a hint rather than a complete attitude but when you are outside looking in, it is definitely there.
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Very tactfully put young man. lol. x
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I think we must have just missed you H....till next time...x
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Originally posted by Scunner
I have to disagree with Anne (mercury) a little here [:o]
Just back from a lovely trip to Spain and seeing a different expat set up to Turkey, I do see something of an attitude. It's a mild "we live here" arrogance that is only just visible but certainly exists - that because they live there they know more about every last topic than you, they feel they should get a little more than you or pay a little less than you, and that they should really get it before you do. I'm not suggesting this is the widespread attitude in Turkey or that it is the attitude of Anne (God forbid 8) ) - perhaps I was guilty of it too when I lived there. It is a hint rather than a complete attitude but when you are outside looking in, it is definitely there.
We often get a discount at the bars and restaurants that we know Not because I am an Ex pat or Yetis is Turk, but because they value our custom all year and have become friends, We wouldnt take for granted though that a few lira is knocked off the bill, and usually when they do we leave a bigger tip anyway
when we go to a new bar or restaurant we expect to pay the prices on the menu and would never ask for a discount.
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Couldnt have put it better myself Jules. How are you? x