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Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: jenbo on July 16, 2011, 22:08:14 PM
I appreciate dogs should be kept under control but now new laws prohibit any unsuperised dogs on the streets. This is a real problem for an old street dog who is cared for by it's 'street' and in turn has protected it's residents. After living free for so many years it is impossible for the dog to adapt to being chained or locked in a garden/property. This has happened to our beautiful BIG street dog Rocky. We have rescued him from Uzumlu but now desperately need to re-home him preferably in a secure environment with a large garden and caring owners. Please read Rocky's story in the Aegean Independant and the Land of Lights next week or contact me for details on CBF. This old ( but still fit) loyal dog deserves to live out his days safe, happy and well cared for.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tinkerman on July 16, 2011, 22:23:52 PM
You have 'rescued' him from the Animal Shelter and now you don't know what to do with him.

After living free for so many years it is impossible for the dog to adapt to being chained or locked in a garden/property and now you are trying to re-home him?

The aegean paper has been running a campaign to clear these 'guard' dogs from our streets, how can they now run a story about Rocky?

Sorry I'm lost for words.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: jenbo on July 16, 2011, 22:38:15 PM
Sounds like you are trying to be too clever with yours words...to clarify, he has been rescued and taken to a safe but temporary home in Kemer. We know our gardens in this area are too small to accommodate a dog this size that is why we are looking for a home with a LARGE and secure garden for him. We are not irresponsible people and thankfully we have a little more compassion than to let this dog go to an 'Antalya man' probably to be used for dog fighting or let him rot locked up inside in Uzumlu! It's not words you are lost for Tinkerman...it's called 'a heart'!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tinkerman on July 16, 2011, 22:48:47 PM
Firstly there are no dogs rotting in Uzumlu, the shelter is actually Catalalik nothing to do with Uzumlu, I cant think of a better place for an old dog to spend its last few years than in the Animal Shelter with guaranteed food and a roof over its head.
 Why would I spend everyday and night working for Animal Aid and get involved in every animal rescue without heart?
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on July 16, 2011, 23:21:08 PM
jenbo, I must admit reading your first post I read it as tinkerman did and I was speechless. Reading your second post makes me furious. The dog was being looked after at the animal shelter and by removing it I feel you have put it in a state of uncertainty. Taking it from the shelter without a plan of how you were going to look after it is irresponsible.For the dog's sake take it back to the shelter.

If you and the others in your street really cared for this dog you would have found a way to keep it safe and not try to pass it on to someone else.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: kayakebab on July 17, 2011, 06:00:32 AM
Id just like to say a few words about our heartless Tinkerman.
He currently is looking after a puppy with severe wounds on its back in his own home, and has 2 extra cats he's caring for.
In this last couple of weeks alone he has negotiated rescuing a dog that was being left all day with no shade, been up in a microlite and a precarious mountain drive looking for escaped horses. That's in amongst the never ending call outs, trips to the vets etc.
Oh and raised over 1000 tl for local animals.
It must be soul destroying to be then told he has no heart.

Jenbo, I would suggest an apology is due.


Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Diverbaz 1 on July 17, 2011, 06:33:27 AM
The Aegean Independent yet again trying to put down Animal Aid and the rescue centre. What away to run (loosely put) a so called newspaper. Find some real news David and Co.

Tinkerman and Animal aid RESCUE animals and take them to the RESCUE centre. Where they are looked after until re-homed, 100's have, that is until DO GOODER'S that know nothing about their work start to interfere. If you are that passionate about the well being of theses animals, then offer to HELP, give up some of your time. I would go on but then Aegean times would steal for an article.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: booo on July 17, 2011, 06:33:54 AM
Jenbo, I too am not sure why you took the dog from the dog shelter
There is a large open space for the dogs to exercise , food, shelter and vet care
They dont put down dogs that arent homed
Maybe because you are a New Member you dont know all the work that Tinkerman does for the Animal Shelter,
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: calvin 1949 on July 17, 2011, 07:23:14 AM
Perhaps time for another open Day at the shelter ,when all the Knockers[:(!] can go down and meet all the people that do all the great none paid work to make sure all the animals in the area have some quality of life :),You never know the Editor of the Aegean newspaper might even see what sterling work is done and write an article about the good side of the shelter :) Rant over  ;)time for the Knockers to show up or shutup!!!!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: johnboy1967 on July 17, 2011, 07:24:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jenbo

Sounds like you are trying to be too clever with yours words...to clarify, he has been rescued and taken to a safe but temporary home in Kemer. We know our gardens in this area are too small to accommodate a dog this size that is why we are looking for a home with a LARGE and secure garden for him. We are not irresponsible people and thankfully we have a little more compassion than to let this dog go to an 'Antalya man' probably to be used for dog fighting or let him rot locked up inside in Uzumlu! It's not words you are lost for Tinkerman...it's called 'a heart'!


I too think you need to gather some facts before insulting tinks or anyone else at A Aid or the shelter... Try doing a search through the Animal Aid section and your see tinks has one of the biggest hearts out there and you dam well owe him an apology..!!!!"
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Diverbaz 1 on July 17, 2011, 07:28:36 AM


 
quote:
You never know the Editor of the Aegean newspaper might even see what sterling work is done and write an article about the good side of the shelter


He has been to the shelter Calvin, when his grotty little rag started and he wanted something other than adverts to put in it, and he used to try and charge 1TL for it then.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: The Crinklies on July 17, 2011, 07:32:40 AM
We are horrified by the comments made by Jenbo and the fact that Rocky was removed from the shelter where he had guaranteed food, shelter and 'friends' to play with, into an uncertain future - how irresponsible!

Jenbo you really would not have made those comments if you knew of the tireless work that Tinkerman & Animal Aid do on behalf of all the animals here, whether it be day or night. They deal with very distressing situations which must break their hearts, but they keep on going for the sake of the animals.

We would also suggest that an apology is due!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: jenbo on July 17, 2011, 07:46:36 AM
You haven't read my postings properly. Rocky was permanently locked inside so had no-one to play with! He was due to be sent with an unknown man to Antalya...maybe for dog fighting purposes? who knows, the shelter couldn't tell us anything about him! When he was taken from the shelter he also had an injured paw which had not been seen to so everything not as rosey as you make it out to be. I have apologised to Tinkerman, I know you people are working very hard and doing the best you can for animals in Fethiye but really I don't know why I even came on this forum in the first place as it's the same as it ever was, people passing opinions when they don't really know the full story or the true facts.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: karaokemark on July 17, 2011, 07:54:18 AM
I don't know why I even came on this forum in the first place as it's the same as it ever was, people passing opinions when they don't really know the full story or the true facts.

Jenbo that is exactly what you have done, you passing opinions on people like Andy and his team who spend hours every day raising funds to help local animals, giving their own time and I don't doubt a lot of money too.
 Get your facts right before coming on the forum then it would not be a problem
Mark
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Rindaloo on July 17, 2011, 07:59:07 AM
I cant find the story on the Aegean Independent site.   Its not very user friendly.  Has anyone found Rocky's story??  I am glad you have apologised to Tinx, he SO deserved it.  His whole life is spent caring for animals.  WHen he isn't actively doing things, he is still on the alert, plus people can phone him at all times.  We are very lucky to have this amazing man AND Pauline (his wife) looking after the animals of the area.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tinkerman on July 17, 2011, 08:03:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jenbo

You haven't read my postings properly. Rocky was permanently locked inside so had no-one to play with! He was due to be sent with an unknown man to Antalya...maybe for dog fighting purposes? who knows, the shelter couldn't tell us anything about him! When he was taken from the shelter he also had an injured paw which had not been seen to so everything not as rosey as you make it out to be. I have apologised to Tinkerman, I know you people are working very hard and doing the best you can for animals in Fethiye but really I don't know why I even came on this forum in the first place as it's the same as it ever was, people passing opinions when they don't really know the full story or the true facts.




of course it was locked in, it was taken there by the zabita as a dog who had attacked someone, had the dog stayed there and proved to be no problem it would have been released into the open with the other dogs.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: jenbo on July 17, 2011, 08:05:16 AM
I have nothing more to say to you people....you are only concerned with each others feelings and comments...I have cared for Rocky fr 8 years and I know a distressed dog when I see one and he was very distressed and sad in the shelter...to reiterate once more (as it seems none of you are able to read) HE WAS LOCKED INSIDE a small pen unable to run free! Tinkerman you are obviously a hero amongst your friends but there are other people who rescue many animals without the notoriety....I have rescued 18 kittens and 3 dogs so far and don't want to waste anymore of my energy trying to defend myself or Rocky on this site...Tinkerman you and your friends have also insulted me by insinuating I am iresponsible and you have accused Rocky of crimes I KNOW (and so does the rest of the street) he hasn't done!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: jenbo on July 17, 2011, 08:26:00 AM
Karaoke mark...then why didn't Tinkerman reveal himself from the start instead of attacking my comments from the off! All of you, re-read from the start and get YOUR facts right! I expected some viable suggestions as to how to help this dog not an on-slaught from a bunch of mis-guided philanthropists! Rocky was still in THE PEN after 10 days! I think I should report one of you for attacking me without ANY evidence then lock you up for 10 days with an infected foot...I glean from this Rocky will not be getting any help from you people...I came on here to help find him a decent home WITH space to live out his days in peace but it has turned into a ridiculous and unnecessary arguement...our street will look elsewhere for help in the future.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Diverbaz 1 on July 17, 2011, 08:35:26 AM
If Rocky had been left at the shelter his paw would have been treated, there is no mention that you or your "street" were doing anything about this.
You were the one who called tinx all sorts of names before finding out who he was, research lady, research.

As usual with this type of thing, it's the rest of the world out of step, not you.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: johnboy1967 on July 17, 2011, 09:01:40 AM
Jenbo, you insulted the main person who would have given all his time and effort to help you without even finding out who he was... Noone here wants to see Rocky upset and we all hope you find a suitable home for him...
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Rindaloo on July 17, 2011, 09:05:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by johnboy1967

Jenbo, you insulted the main person who would have given all his time and effort to help you without even finding out who he was... Noone here wants to see Rocky upset and we all hope you find a suitable home for him...



Hear-hear!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tinkerman on July 17, 2011, 10:12:40 AM
We heard this bit of 'breaking news' last week, I was told a new estate agent in Uzumlu didnt like the dog barking at night so made up a story to get the dog taken away, thats why I went to Emre to find out why it was picked up, it was him who told me there had been previous complaints about the dog and they knew him well, but if the Zabita bring a dog to them it has to stay locked up for ten days, that is a standard procedure.

I would like to point out that Animal Aid is a dedicated team of eight people who work tirelessly for the animals, I do not do it all alone,
and I would like to Thank all our supporters for all the praise, but we couldn't do it with out you!

anyways...just had a phone call, mummy and puppy abandoned go to fly....whooshhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Karabag on July 17, 2011, 11:35:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jenbo

 We have rescued him from Uzumlu but now desperately need to re-home him preferably in a secure environment with a large garden and caring owners. Please read Rocky's story in the Aegean Independant and the Land of Lights next week or contact me for details on CBF. This old ( but still fit) loyal dog deserves to live out his days safe, happy and well cared for.



If you have 'rescued' him as you say, you should be responsible and look after him yourself, I'm sure he won't mind living in a small garden as long as he is taken out for walks and gets regular meals! Dogs don't need large gardens they NEED responsible owners!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: mercury on July 17, 2011, 12:58:36 PM
What happened to the 3 dogs and 18 kittens that you rescued?
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: jenbo on July 17, 2011, 17:36:57 PM
Tinkerman....WRONG DOG! seems you been barking up the wrong tree! This dog lived in Calis! Sorry Rindaloo and Diverbax, Tinkerman did me the same disservice...he insulted me first by not taking on board my comments and then twice over by not even making sure we were in fact speaking about the same dog! You have all jumped to the wrong conclusions based on YOUR lack of research first! There was nothing wrong with his paw BEFORE he was illegally taken from my garden!!!!!
Mercury....I found them all good homes because I vetted them first not like the animal shelter.
Karabag...the street rescued him because he is OUR STREET DOG..and exactly why he won't remain in anyones garden because he has been on the STREET for so long...if you know anything about dog psychology he wants to be on HIS patch...he's a solitary dog and has only known this street all his life (after all is is over 100 yrs old in human yrs)therefore the only option open to us is to re-home far from his patch but with enclosed space. We know the Zabita won't let him roam free here anymore as we do appreciate his sheer size is the problem not his behaviour!
Rindaloo..Rocky's story is in next week's issue of the Aegean (the editor aproached me to write it)...and I expect an apology from the lot of you since it clearly appears none of you knew which dog you were talking about!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Anne on July 17, 2011, 18:07:11 PM
biting me tongue.................................. and trying my best not to lock this topic altogether
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Toky on July 17, 2011, 18:17:26 PM
Anne, don't lock it. Jenbo is obviously heartbroken about this dog and all you pet owners and animal lovers will know how she feels. Maybe the points she makes are conflicting with other posters, but the different opinions on the forum, make it interseting. If we all agreed with each other, the forum would be very dull. There clearly is a conflict here, but it makes interesting reading. IMHO
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Anne on July 17, 2011, 18:27:21 PM
She needs to calm down and stop throwing accusations around Rosemary.
She'll get more help when she does.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Supacabby on July 17, 2011, 18:27:52 PM
As with any forum there will be differences of "opinion" but what we have here is the original statement lacking in "fact", it's that simple.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Toky on July 17, 2011, 18:31:51 PM
Not to her, it's not Supacabby, and Anne, I hope she does get help, because it's a long time since I've felt so much emotion in someone's posts, rightly or wrongly.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Karabag on July 17, 2011, 20:41:45 PM
quote:

Karabag...the street rescued him because he is OUR STREET DOG..and exactly why he won't remain in anyones garden because he has been on the STREET for so long...if you know anything about dog psychology he wants to be on HIS patch...he's a solitary dog and has only known this street all his life (after all is is over 100 yrs old in human yrs)therefore the only option open to us is to re-home far from his patch but with enclosed space. We know the Zabita won't let him roam free anymore as we do appreciate his sheer size is the problem not his behaviour!



Jenbo I totally disagree with you but love the way you use the words 'rescue' and 'OUR STREET DOG' and then ask for him to be re-homed in a a place far away with en enclosed space! I sincerely hope this dog does find somewhere to live but I stand by my last post. Feed him, take him for long walks and he will be happy to stay with you. That's dog psychology it really is as simple as that! Yes I have dogs and have done for many years.

Good luck in finding a home for him.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tony jenkins on July 17, 2011, 20:47:38 PM
An outsiders view:

As Jenbo asked us to read the posts again, I did.

She is a loony!!!!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tinkerman on July 17, 2011, 20:53:16 PM
Jenbo! right dog! we know it didnt come from Uzumlu, as I told you before we know the dog.
 The paw may well have happened in the shelter with it being penned up for ten days, if you would have left it there it would be free now to roam the pen with all the other dogs and be treated for the paw, fed, watered and provided shelter.

Good luck in re-homing a street dog of fifteen years.

Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Diverbaz 1 on July 17, 2011, 20:58:41 PM

Jenbo let it go, you are so,so wrong, David asked you to write an article, thats his way of working, not doing anything himself but getting other people to do it for him.
Karabag owns 4 dogs and looks after them very well, and is well placed to know a dogs psychology regarding their "space".
I think you ought to apologies for your rant and lets get on with looking after the animals.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Toky on July 17, 2011, 21:38:25 PM
Tony, you've just lost your point by throwing your "Loony" insult!! You've done just exactly what this woman is being accused of here. Pot & kettle springs to mind. Baz, can't be asking for apologies when others are insulting her too!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tony jenkins on July 17, 2011, 22:06:58 PM
I wasn't making a 'point' Toky, I just did what Jenbo was asking by reading the post again.

I did as asked and came to the opinion that the posts were written by a Loony.

My opinion remains the same.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: Toky on July 17, 2011, 22:14:24 PM
Like I said....pot & kettle!
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tony jenkins on July 17, 2011, 22:20:55 PM
Another loony.
Title: The dilemma of the old street dogs
Post by: tinkerman on July 17, 2011, 22:21:03 PM
I don't think this is going anywhere now, good luck in re-homing your street dog jenbo.