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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Toky on August 07, 2011, 08:45:06 AM
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I cannot express the depth of my disgust watching this happen in today's Britain. Looting shops, arson, violence etc cannot be justified and I hope the cameras can pinpoint the scum who have changed the face of modern day Britain overnight!
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I agree if this was aimed at the police why all the carnage in the community?
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Simple answer is and should be........bring in Biometric national identity cards and sign up all teens between 17 and 25 for compulsory nationl service!
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Originally posted by screamlead
sign up all teens between 17 and 25 for compulsory nationl service!
What ? Teach 'em ALL to use guns ? Very useful.
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Originally posted by KKOB
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Originally posted by screamlead
sign up all teens between 17 and 25 for compulsory nationl service!
What ? Teach 'em ALL to use guns ? Very useful.
Probably know more than us now anyway!:D
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http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/tottenham-a-warning-for-the-future/
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68 reads and 3 comments!!! Apathy!
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50+ arrests just been announced on the news.
There is no justification for that level of violence and damage to shops and property.
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changing face of Britain im sorry to say, bet every one of them was unemployed and on benefits from our kind government.:(
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More riots overnight..copycats?
How to raid shops as seen on the BBC!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Toky
68 reads and 3 comments!!! Apathy!
Not apathy as such- just what can be said really? Summer riots have been around for years and just one spark sets them off. Bored kids get pulled in and social network sites and mobiles carry the word.
Disgusting but unfortunately nothing new in this country.
As for being unemployed - some were as young as seven so that theory goes out of the window.
Bring back the birch and the short sharp shock we used to get if we stepped out of line. Prosecute the parents as well.
Happy days ;-)
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I totally agree Stoop. The law is a joke and far too lenient!
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I agree stoop, yes the ones young as seven not unemployed, but i bet their parents are.
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Maybe it's something to do with who is in government? Brixton? Tottenham? Depressed areas with lots on benefits and just maybe they are fuelled by the fact that this government is clamping down on some claimants? I just have this feeling it's going to spread to other similar areas throughout the UK. I hope not though!
From wiki:
Tottenham is a multicultural hotspot with many different ethnic groups inhabiting the area. It is often referred to as a black area because it contains one of the largest and most significant populations of African-Caribbean people. These were among the earliest immigrant groups to settle in the area, starting the UK's Windrush era soon after West African communities - notably the many Ghanaians - begun to migrate into the area. Between 1980 and the present day there has been a slow immigration of Colombians, Albanian, Kurdish, Turkish-Cypriot, Turkish, Somalis, Irish, and Portuguese populations. South Tottenham is reported to be the most ethnically-diverse area in Europe, with up to 300 languages being spoken by its residents.
Tottenham has the highest unemployment rate in London and the 8th highest in the United Kingdom. It therefore has some of the highest poverty rates within the country.[10] There have also been major tensions between the African-Caribbean community and the police since (and before) the 1985 Broadwater Farm riot. Although Tottenham is a cultural center, it has also been one of the main hotspots for gangs and gun crime in the United Kingdom during the past three decades. This followed the rise of gangs and drug wars throughout the area, notably those involving the Tottenham Mandem gang and various gangs from Hackney and all of the areas surrounding Tottenham, and the emergence of an organised crime ring known as the Turkish Mafia was said to have controlled more than 90% of the UK's heroin market.
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Where are the water canons [?][?]
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Some observations:
Any reference to deprived areas being a "reason" does a massive disservice to all the other similar areas throughout the country which remain law abiding.
If I throw a rock at a policeman tonight on Dingwall High Street I doubt very much if he would simply look at me
Looters should be arrested. why weren't they.
I believe that the Met Police are scared of the black community.
"bring back the birch" - well said stoop
"where were the water canon" totally agree Ken. Can you imagine the CRS allowing such criminality. I don't think so
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I expect the prime minister and the mayor of London and the home secretary
Were in the front line and in full control??? Oh no sorry... On holiday.
It's ok....It's Only another non-White person shot by the police.
They should all go take one of the thousands of jobs that the government
Has created in London.
Apathy is sitting at home and blaming the poor for being poor.
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The biggest ethnic population in that part of
Tottenham is Hasidic Jews..
Not a race known for high unemployment..!
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Originally posted by Toky
I cannot express the depth of my disgust watching this happen in today's Britain. Looting shops, arson, violence etc cannot be justified and I hope the cameras can pinpoint the scum who have changed the face of modern day Britain overnight!
I totally agree with you Toky and Stoop and Highlander. I was ashamed watching the news to think these youths represent Britain and the society we live in today. It was mindless thugs jumping on the band wagon, just anarchy and the sad thing is these young people are not afraid of authority and the police because we are too lenient with them. There are no real deterrents, so they have no fear. The future is scarey when you think these people are Britains future.:(
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I am just so shocked at what I am seeing on the news. These kids are destroying their own communities. Just come off the phone to my friend in New Barnet and she is worried sick - the shops in her area all had to close at 3.30 today just in case. They are just setting fire to buildings and robbing whatever they can - looking at the scenes on tv it could be scenes of London as a warzone. I think they need to get the army in soon. Please God it calms down soon before somebody is killed in the fires.
Bridge
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The problem as I see it is the police are too scared to act.
By scared I mean able to be sued. If an officer is attacked and retaliates he gets sued (loses job).
If a team of officers act, the person in charge gets sued (loses job)
If the division is made accounatble the chief gets sued (loses job)
the scum have too many rights now and until the government get tough (which they never will) they will always keep doing this and hide behind social issues.
If you was a police officer would you put yourself in a position to get fired? of course not.
thats why they let them run riot, film it and arrest later. no-one gets blamed then other than the rioters.
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Having seen the escalation and the latest situation I would like to withdraw the water canon and shoot the tw4ts [:(!][:(!]
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Bring in the army, I bet there's quite a few squaddies champing at the bit to see to these little twats! Give the army the water cannons loaded with this smartwater stuff, we'd know who they are then days after......Rubber bullets, when they run out of them I hear that AAA batteries fit the guns too.
Those that have already been arrested won't be in the least bit worried as all that will be done is to pat them on the shoulder, tell em "there there" and send em on a weeks holiday in spain, personally, I think they should all have their benefits stopped till the repairs are paid for, The smartwater will help to identify those giulty!
Mr Cameron can save himself the journey of coming back of his hols....he'll do f**k all to stop it anyway!
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Think you mean the C3 batts ceni? and yes they do, very effective they are too. They should arrest the lot after spraying with this smart water then send them all to a closed down camp somewhere and keep them all there and grill em and drill em for a few months.
I wouldnt buy anything off fleabay for a few months either!.:D
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The unfortunate fact is that our police have no effect on any of this or indeed any other criminal behaviour(and whatever excuse they try and give for their actions this is all it ever is)due to successive governments systematic removal of the penal system in this country.
Criminals apparently need to be understood and by all accounts putting them in jail doesn't work. The ultra soft alternatives that leave these criminals laughing at the law clearly aren't a viable option either.
Until these mindless criminals seriously start to believe there are serious consequences to their actions will we ever hope to reduce crime in this country. Oh and by the way, woe betide anyone caught having the impertinence to protect your own property. The law all of a sudden grows teeth and will want to make an example of you by locking you away.
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They have cancelled the football, that will probably cause another riot.
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London, "Home of the Olympics 2012" :D; London "Home of the Riots 2011" :(
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The police are in a no win situation here. They are seen as ineffective because they have stood back. If they went in heavy handed then we would have evry civil liberties organisation calling foul and bashing the police.
What I struggle to understand is how the authorities are working. A few weeks ago we had the wedding and police are everywhere and if you passed wind the police would have been on the case.Now peoples property is being allowed to be looted because there are not enough officers on the streets. It seems peoples lives and businesses are not as important as a wedding.
Last night they wrecked Ealing and I know the area where most of the damage was done and there is really nothing there but a few shops. All they wanted was the content of the shops.
I am probably going to be called racist but this thing about the black population being persecuted is now wearing thin. It is still not a reason to do what has been done over the past few nights.
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
The police are in a no win situation here. They are seen as ineffective because they have stood back. If they went in heavy handed then we would have evry civil liberties organisation calling foul and bashing the police.
What I struggle to understand is how the authorities are working. A few weeks ago we had the wedding and police are everywhere and if you passed wind the police would have been on the case.Now peoples property is being allowed to be looted because there are not enough officers on the streets. It seems peoples lives and businesses are not as important as a wedding.
Last night they wrecked Ealing and I know the area where most of the damage was done and there is really nothing there but a few shops. All they wanted was the content of the shops.
I am probably going to be called racist but this thing about the black population being persecuted is now wearing thin. It is still not a reason to do what has been done over the past few nights.
It is not fair to compare these events to the policing of the Royal wedding, that was planned months in advance, you can't allow for mindless thugs like these.
mark
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http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337
Here you go vote with your keyboard - sites getting some hammer though.
Up to 10000 so far - gone up 1000 in a few mins.
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What exactly is the difference between someone one who nicked a tv from a shop in London last night and someone who nicked a tv from a house in Dingwall lat night.
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Having seen all the damage caused by the riots, how wonderful to see local people working together cleaning the streets and shops.....true spirit from the young and old...I cried and felt so proud....the real people of these communities.
Mrs.B
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the people in dingwall had bought it John ;)
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Anyone on facebook 'like' this page;
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporting-the-Met-Police-against-the-London-rioters/152937041453243
...and show your support against these scumbags. It was started only in the last few hours and has 678,455 'likes' alredy. Join and lets see if it can get to 1 million by midnight.
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successive governments have given us a police force divorced from the community.
we now have a situation where the police will not live in these communities as they not good enough.
in education we have no longerhaveteachers in loco parentis. corporal punishment is forbidden.
we no longer have a system of national service, which today would help unite all the minorities.
we no longer have a church which defends morality through marriage.
HAPPY DAYS.
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Signed about an hour ago Eric - total rising rapidly:D
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Originally posted by badger
Having seen all the damage caused by the riots, how wonderful to see local people working together cleaning the streets and shops.....true spirit from the young and old...I cried and felt so proud....the real people of these communities.
Mrs.B
Well said Irene[^]
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Loved your comment Kenkay, short and straight talking......my kind of talk. Well said!
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Saw this earlier...................
David Cameron
"I am granting the Metropolitan Police emergency powers to use water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas to take back control of our streets from these poncing parasites biting the hand that feeds them. In addition I am deploying the British Army as a visible presence to provide the authority that is so very lacking."
.....Carlsberg don't do Prime Ministers but if they did.............
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praise for the Turkish community, Im sure many of us recognise this pride and hard working spirit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8691358/London-riots-the-knives-are-being-sharpened.html
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A few towns in my area today, closed early due to "threats" of violence/riots (Uxbridge, Hayes, Staines, Stanwell).
I work in Slough, and went into town at lunch, and the air was a little uncomfortable. Whilst walking past Primark(honest), the emergency exit opened; the security were immediately on it, the other shoppers were anxious, but it turned out a kid had opened it by mistake... but it just goes to show, what these unruly "kids" are putting everyday people through. They don't care and it's not under any political pretence, they are just yobs and for some reason, think it is their god given right to have some thing for nothing.
There is alot of scaremongering where we live, and compared to London, we are in the 'burbs, it is still a worry.
Spray them with dye, round them up, pound them, and see whose parents come to collect them.
Disgusting behaviour!
I heard an elderly lady on Sky this morning in Ealing, saying she went to bed as normal, woke up with an almighty bang, got out of bed and two lads were in her flat, all masked up! What sort of generation are we breeding?
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Don't you just love the assertion and hard talking of Gary Shewan of Greater Manchester police! He is taking no nonsence from the looters and "protesters" and is just telling it like it is....thugs, vandals, mindless criminals. None of this nonsence that the goverment and society are to blame!!! Go Gary!
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Little too late! They should have nipped it in the bud Saturday. Reports they are worried about G20 riot, unfortunate death, but come on!
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Still awake getting updates, Smithdown Road area still bad, but very quiet by me, and yet just heard that a car showroom (Georgesons) has been been attacked,dont know how true it is, but it is nearer to me, there is also the problem of wrongly reported stuff, just hope its under control,these scumbags have probably lay in their beds all day and come out like piranas tonight again, i'd like to know where are the parents, they must have some idea they are up to no good,
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the parents are probably indoors writing a list of what to nick for them Laffa.:-\
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Originally posted by laffa
Still awake getting updates, Smithdown Road area still bad, but very quiet by me, and yet just heard that a car showroom (Georgesons) has been been attacked,dont know how true it is, but it is nearer to me, there is also the problem of wrongly reported stuff, just hope its under control,these scumbags have probably lay in their beds all day and come out like piranas tonight again, i'd like to know where are the parents, they must have some idea they are up to no good,
Bl##dy Hell. Georgesons has been there for donkeys years.
My daughter lives in Liverpool city centre and told us that the rioters had got to the Liverpool 1 shopping mall on Monday night, but yesterday all the jewellers and the Apple store had removed all goods from the windows.
I am so mad that these scumbags are ruining our wonderful city.Also that if all the looters are unemployed and on benefits, they can actually afford to buy the goods that they are robbing!! It's the average working man that can't afford to buy them.
RANT OVER!!
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These scum are complaining that the world is not treating them properly and that they are hard done by. Why dont they go and live in Somalia or some other famine stricken country and find out what life is really like. All these rioters are not dressed in rags but in designer gear and it is gear that most of us could not afford to buy.
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Got this sent to me on Facebook from my pal in Florida
Message to all the rioters .......... . u wanna be big men and fight to the death , well get your sorry little arses on the next plane to Afghanista n and stand alongside real men , they're called soldiers and they are fighting a war unlike you bunch of pathetic wastes of space !!!!!
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Scoser 2, Georgesons was ok, people around here are looking after their own businesses, Liverpool 1 was'nt touched, I dont think they will get away with much in Liverpool, and am hoping for another quiet night, the parents of the younger ones annoy me.
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Thanks for the update Laffa.
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Dont want to sound racist but I believe the non stop influx of immigrants from Poland and Romania etc has a lot to do with what is happening.The country is now over run with them and there does not seem to be any less of them coming here than a year ago.We have over a million illegal immigrants here as well as the legal ones.Not to long ago you could walk down any high street and all you would hear is the english language, now all you hear are foreign languages.They all seem very well off, carrying bags of food or clothes and all have the latest mobile phones.We have millions unemployed here in britain,and it bothers me why are we letting in any immigrants at all even from europe,its costing the tax payer billions in benefits,we have the best benefit payouts in the world,for those with children and unemployed.I am sure that seeing all these immigrants come over and taking jobs the British want but dont get is infuriating 1000s of the Brits and it has been brewing up for a long time now.I think this is one of the reasons we are getting all this trouble now.The Brits who cannot gets jobs so they can enjoy a decent life style see no future for themselves or their children.They live hand to mouth with no hope and are looked down on because they are on benefits and are called scroungers.The rioting that is going on now is the anger coming out because they see no future for themselves.They loot shops and steal things simply because they cannot afford to ever buy them.Yes its wrong and of course they know it but because of the way this country is now they dont care and have given up hope.When they see their own government caring more about immigrants than them something has got to give.Combine that with other factors and all hell breaks loose just like it is now.
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Doubletwo - you make points which others may agree with, but in my opinion there was only one explanation for what has gone on over the last for nights.
It was mindlesss criminality carried out by a shower of thugs who should be dealt with as severely a possible.
For example, I heard on the news that one of the alleged looters is a teaching assistant. Well here's a suggestion - if he is found guilty, throw him in jail (and if there isn't space for him, find one),sack the bar steward before he has time to leave the dock and don't give him ONE PENNY compensation.
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H, double 2 has got a point, but I think we are dealing with two separate issues here, one as double two has mentioned, and the other which you have, and which is the case here in Liverpool,I make no excuses for it , it is thieving scum and kids being encouraged by adults, and it sickens me and most people here to the core,I am glad that the people got out and fronted them, it saved alot of trouble last night, and am even more so, that Liverpool is very quiet tonight, I doubt we will see any more trouble here, and sincerely hope i am right.
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I think we should keep in mind that we are talking about a very small minority of the teenage population of GB,who,for reasons best known to themselves,have gone on the rampage.
Undoubtedly in the very near future we'll have the teams of experts trotting out all the reasons for the mob mentality,socially deprived,lack of parental control,lack of discipline,no future,etc,etc.
Sadly,the above can be said to have an element of truth,however no government overnight can solve a situation that has been festering for years,a million jobs can't be pulled out of the hat,the gang mentality seemingly cannot be controlled,the law is a joke,respect for people and property has gone out of the window.
Have you got a solution?,bring out the army,water cannons,hammer the little buggers into the floor,knock it into them,brilliant solution.
No ones got the answer,because quite simply we all lost the plot years ago when discipline went out of the window.
We have the tiger by the tail,let go at your peril.
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Originally posted by doubletwo
They live hand to mouth with no hope and are looked down on because they are on benefits and are called scroungers.The rioting that is going on now is the anger coming out because they see no future for themselves.They loot shops and steal things simply because they cannot afford to ever buy them.Yes its wrong and of course they know it but because of the way this country is now they dont care and have given up hope.When they see their own government caring more about immigrants than them something has got to give.Combine that with other factors and all hell breaks loose just like it is now.
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So how come in most of the footage I've seen, these so called protestors are well dressed young men wearing the latest designer gear and co-ordinating the looting and rioting using their Blackberry phones[?]
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and if they are living 'hand to mouth' why are they stealing electrical goods? they really don't look like starving people.
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What a clearly thought out post from Geordieboy - bang on the money !
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good one geordie boy, see my post on pg4?
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One girl looter's mother saw her piccie on TV and dobbed her in. Bloody brilliant 8)
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Lets put the mob subject on ice for a while,and think about the small shop keepers who are the cement in any community,they have,through no fault of their own had their lives torn apart,hard working folk who are a vital part of the community.So my thought is this,compensate these people immediately,get them back on their feet,now,not next month,not after countless meetings,now.
We are chucking millions at Gadaffi,stuff him,he'll be getting his very shortly,put a few million where its going to have a positive result,rebuild the shattered communities now.
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They were speaking to four your rioters or should I say thieves and criminals on Sky News today. They said they robbed the shops because they need more money. One boy of 16 years old said he stole some stuff for his baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!