Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Good (or Bad) Shop Guide => Topic started by: jackstee on August 09, 2011, 22:07:47 PM
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Sorry But.
My wife and at least one friend got together last week because they thought that on more than one occasion, the person that washed there hair had had a feel of there breast.
Of course my first reply was " should I go and fill him in" but the wife and her friend said they would go and inform the head stylist.
He said sorry we have had problems before with this but I will deal with it.
Today, the wife goes for another cut but the hair washer is still there. I bet lots of other girls have been caught out.
Opposite the English restaruant that even keith likes.
AS&C
Don't like doing this but the other way is force or police.
Sorry
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They used to have girls washing the hair,perhaps they should return to that practice!!!
Sounds as if ladies will have to insist on a female hair washer if the owners want customers.
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I always use this Kuafor and have never had a problem, BUT 2 weeks ago while I was having the usual done another English lady there with who I think was with her mum or friend said she had been touched in the same way, there were 2 young boys there that day and didnt see which one washed her hair
Ive never had a problem though and think its since the guy with the longish hair and goatee left? Im ashamed to say that after 5 years of him doing my hair I never got his name
If this is really going on I hope they address the problem quickly, as the 2 guys who cut the hair are great at their job Mabe not so good with controlling their staff ?
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I think the hairdresser with the long hair was called Yunus. :)
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The problem I have is that they know there is a problem but they are not dealing with it.
Any way I shall go there in about one hour.
Promis to keep my hands in my pockets.
I understand we cannot win, maybe a police threat or something.
Just p---es me off that they continue to let it happen
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I think the name of the other hairdresser who owns the shop is Cihan. Maybe you could ask for a lady hair washer, in fact insist on it.
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Use another hairdresser would be my solution.:-\
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Originally posted by jackstee
The problem I have is that they know there is a problem but they are not dealing with it.
Any way I shall go there in about one hour.
Promis to keep my hands in my pockets.
I understand we cannot win, maybe a police threat or something.
Just p---es me off that they continue to let it happen
I have to ask but why do you go back there? maybe a loss of custom would do more than anything.
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I have never had this problem in the 2 years I have gone there, but agree that something should be done.
Yunus hasn't left but he is running their salon in Oludeniz for the summer.
Hopefully they will act to stop this ever happening again as they are extremely good hairdressers.
I look forward to hearing the outcome of your visit Jackstee.
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Thanks all
Tink, after 3 years my wife has found the first person who can cut her hair (dont ask)
I have been to see them, the patron who was there was a sanctimonious s-d who kept saying , ye ye I know everything.
But I kept my hands in my pocket.
Apparently the guy who does it has finished but might be working this afternoon as they are short staffed !!!!!!!!!!!
I shall go again this after noon and if he is there , call the police and make an official complaint
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I had my hair done there a few weeks ago and had a problem.The lad who was washing my hair started touching me up the same way while he was washing my hair.Horrible.
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Is this place in Calis?
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No Jacqui, it's in Fethiye. Located on the back road of the one way system, opposite the Mulberry tree.
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Do you not say anything while he's doing it? I know shock and "is this really happening" must occur, but I'd kick him the you know what's!
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This is awful for the person on the receiving end. I hope there is a positive end to this. He cannot do this and get away with it. Keep us posted please
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He'd have got a swift elbow to his bazookas if he'd done that to me, followed by a right hook to the jaw when I'd gotten out of the chair!
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I like your thread Toky it made my day.
Bruce
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He wouldn't do it to a Turkish lady I'd bet - as they would either scream the place down or deck him! So he obviously thinks the silence of British women is a sign that it is perfectly ok to do this??? We need a volunteer to go in and go absolutely mental, shouting and throwing things around the place, beating this man's heed!!
Who's up for the job - actually this is a serious post...
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aah I think I know who you mean! I have used this hairdressers from the first day that they opened and never had any problems whatsoever.
I was in a couple of months back, and some of the staff have changed due to the opening of their second salon in Olu Deniz. One of the male trainees (slightly chubby) sent a shiver down my spine meeting him... he didn't do anything it was just a feeling I had. Later (I was there quite a while!) he put his hands on my shoulders and I asked him politely not to touch me. He didn't do anything other than that, but maybe could have...
Is this the same boy?
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Keith, I'm quite happy to go in and speak to Cihan about the complaints, if some of the ladies that this has happened to can let me know who it is.. The boy that I mentioned is a new trainee, fairly tall, chubby.
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sunnyd yes he is the fellow.i know people can say why didnt you kick him in the b******s but when you are there on your own your shocked and thinking to yourself is this for real.If i went in again and the same thing happened i would definetly create a scene and do something about it.
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Yes sunny
I think thats him.
Jackie said the first time it happened she wasn't sure but the second time after talking to her friend they both realised it was deliberate.
Keth is right, if he did it to a Turk, they would be round with a gun.
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But don't forget, the two ladies have been there and complained and I have been there and has it made a difference. No.
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I agree with Toky. A good swift elbow where it hurts seems to be the only answer if the boss man isn't taking the complaints seriously.
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Its the young smiley lad who washes my hair, only seen the other boy once. instead of talking to them in there I would ask someone in Olu Deniz to have a word with the boss, Im sure he would be horrified, hes been building that business up for the last 5 years
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On a lighter note, some of you may know I am a hairdresser to trade.
A few years ago a guy from the local Indian restaurany came in to me for a hair cut. I put the cape style black gown around him,( no armholes), put the cutting collar on and started cutting. My gaze was averted by the movement of the gown in an area around his privates. I ignored for a minute or two it but then he started to make low grunting noises while eyeballing me in the mirror. The gown had now taken on a life of its own!!!
I was only halfway through his haircct, put down my scissors and removed the cutting collar. I told him he had 5 seconds to stop what he was doing then I'd pull the gown away.
That soon shook him out of his sexually induced trance and I gave him his marching orders to p--s off out the door and never dare to come back.
He ran like hell out of the door, and couldn't look at me ever again.
I laugh at it now, but I was enraged at the time!!!
:D
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What was he doing Texting:P ;):D:D:D!!!!!
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Emmmm, I really don't think so ha ha ha, I think he was playing the organ!
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Originally posted by Toky
On a lighter note, some of you may know I am a hairdresser to trade.
A few years ago a guy from the local Indian restaurany came in to me for a hair cut. I put the cape style black gown around him,( no armholes), put the cutting collar on and started cutting. My gaze was averted by the movement of the gown in an area around his privates. I ignored for a minute or two it but then he started to make low grunting noises while eyeballing me in the mirror. The gown had now taken on a life of its own!!!
I was only halfway through his haircct, put down my scissors and removed the cutting collar. I told him he had 5 seconds to stop what he was doing then I'd pull the gown away.
That soon shook him out of his sexually induced trance and I gave him his marching orders to p--s off out the door and never dare to come back.
He ran like hell out of the door, and couldn't look at me ever again.
I laugh at it now, but I was enraged at the time!!!
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I remember a funny story years ago along the same lines, un fortunately the girl haidresser clonked him around the head with her hairdryer 8) the luckless client was cleaning his specs:D
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Cihan is one of the owners and he is at the original Fethiye branch. The other owner Yunus is at the Olu Deniz branch.
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I think there are 2 lads there, one a lot taller than the other. I have also used this hairdresser since it opened and would not like to see it shut, and will definitely say something to Cihan. He must be made to realise that this will affect his business, and there are lots of other salons that people can take their custom to, and will, if this is allowed to continue. I have not had this problem but would certainly react strongly if it had happened to me! Go and tell him SunnyD, maybe the more of us that do will make him do something about this lad.
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We dont go back to restaurants if we have a bad meal, so why go back there, I would be worried that an elbow in his goollies would get YOU arrested,not him, be careful.
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Jackie has now found another place to get her hair cut
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Show him this topic and let him know how many members read this.. that should put the wind up him.[:(!]
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I realise this is a serious topic and I'm sure its frightening for those concerned. however whilst I was reading it I couldnt help but wonder why someone would go back after such an incident- good cutting aside! It just reminded me of this character in Dick Emery- not intended to be rude.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FF76wqXXX4&feature=related
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People go back because it is such a good haircut. I've not found another hairdresser who is half as good as Cihan. But agree, someone should have a word with him
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Worth the pawing for a good cut then?? [:o]
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Sorry
But again I mention
My wife whent to him along with here friend who was also assaulted.
I whent to him
It made no difference.
I told him I had put it on the internet and mentioned I would make an official complaint to the police.
No problem I know everthing was the reply.
He does not care and that is the bottom line.
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He'll know everything when his business collapses! He doesn't deserve custom with that attitude.
:(:(
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Unfortunately it is very difficult to get a hairdresser here that actually knows how to cut and style (so the wife says). However if it means that ladies are being molested I am afraid that the price for a good hair-do is too high. I would think that if the owner/manager is unconcerned about this then perhaps the ladies who frequent this establishment should ALL mention the complaints of other clients to the owner. If no action is taken by the owner,perhaps a veto on his salon would be in order, then perhaps he may realise within a few weeks that it was a major concern for his clients.
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I am not sure that Cihan would understand what you were saying jackstee, if you spoke in english,as his english is limited. If you spoke to him in Turkish, then he certainly should understand. If enough people do complain he should then understand something is wrong. After reading the posts, I have called some friends who use this hairdresser and though they have not experienced anything as posted, have said they felt uncomfortable with this guy. I think he is the taller one of these two in the salon. two of my friends also have used this salon since it opened and will speak to Cihan.
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I have been using this salon, on recommendation from this forum, for the past 2/3 months. Firstly, I will say that it is one of the best hairdressers I have visited for cut, highlights and also pedicures ... very important for us women, as has been pointed out already! However, I thankfullly haven't encountered any of the negative experiences that others have, but there are too many reports for it not to be anything than fact!
Cihan speaks good but limited English and I think if SunnyD, as a client of 5 years and of course a qualifed translator, is willing to speak to him in Turkish to explain the situation and the negative impact it is having on the clientele that he has built up, then that is what is needed.....
It is human nature to get defensive when approached directly with criticism and in my opinion the Turks don't know how to handle it!
It would appear that the salon has over stretched themselves by opening the business in Olu Deniz and have taken on staff who are taking liberties and destroying the reputation of a very good business!
If SunnyD is prepared to act as a mediator, and she is well placed to do so as an existing customer, then let her go ahead and report back accordingly ....
From my experience there are 2 young boys working there .. Calar and Burak (apolgies for spelling and lack of Turkish keyboard). It is the taller, chubbier (as some have described) lad Burak that I think maybe the problem as Carlar seems fine to me ... but I have only had Carlar and Cihan (the owner) wash my hair. The taller lad .. Burak, seems very new and doesn't seem to do an awful lot other than bring drinks to customers and help dry hair ....
I hope this helps as it's shame to see a good business reputation wiped out through lack of full understanding of the problem and consequences ....
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Cihan AS ve C Kuafor,
Dukkanda calisan bir adam,kotu seylar yapiyor.Pek cok kisi rahatsiz.
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I have some business to do in Fethiye this morning. I will call in and speak to Cihan privately and let him know about the complaints on here. That's why I wanted to know descriptions from other people, so that I don't go pointing the finger at the wrong person.
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I have just got home from Fethiye, and I called in to talk to Cihan. We spoke about the complaints, and Cihan was saddened to know the number of ladies that had complained. As a result Burak has been sacked.
So for anyone thinking of finding a new hairdresser because of what has been happening, please don't. Business as usual at AS & C :)
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Well done and thank you Sunnyd. I am so happy this has been sorted because as lots of us have said they are the best hairdressers around and I would not have liked to have started the routine of trying to find another good one.
Many thanks
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Well done Sunnyd .... you seem to have addressed the situation perfectly and have enabled Cihan to now fully understand the extent and nature of the problem. Thanks a lot Sunnyd, I of course will continue to use this salon, as in my opinion they are one of the best hairdressers around ....
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well done Nik.
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Thank you Sunnyd.
But I don't think my wife will be using them again.
It took a 1000 people reading this, 45 answers and several other complaints before Burak was sacked.
If he had done it as soon as the ladies complained I would know he meant it, but to agree there had been previous problems and then not do anything.
Well.
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Thats great news, thanks Nikki for your help with this. Michelle
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Well done Nikki.
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There is an excellent hairdresser in Calis - Alper who comes from an Istanbul salon and speaks English.
After just 2 cuts with him (I wasnt brave enough to do what he suggested all in one cut) my hair now has undoubtedly the best cut I have ever had in my life, including some extremely expensive UK salons.
At Aydin Piide roundabout head towards Cafe Pasar and take the second left he is up that road on the corner just past the old Orange hotel.
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Is that La Diva, Carole goes there she says he is great.
Mark
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I agree with Jackstee, it is not right that it took more before Cihan finally took action, his business is strongly supported by the British community and when it was brought to his attention and he acknowledged it he should have dealt with it there and then. No he let it continue, think about that a second, if you had been told a member of your staff was sexually assaulting your customers would you risk a large chunk of your future customers on it? I note Nikki states he was saddened by the number of complaints. Think about how many others this happend to like holiday makers who would have felt very uneasy to report it due to the strange environment, that they are not used to. This should have been dealt with by the police, this Burak needs to be on their records, he clearly feels English ladies are fair game and records show some minor sexual offenders go on to bigger things, he has got away with it!
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Just to offer a different slant, is it possible that this Cihan chap, speaking not much English, said he understood but didn't?
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Originally posted by corbindallas
I note Nikki states he was saddened by the number of complaints. Think about how many others this happend to like holiday makers who would have felt very uneasy to report it due to the strange environment, that they are not used to. This should have been dealt with by the police, this Burak needs to be on their records, he clearly feels English ladies are fair game and records show some minor sexual offenders go on to bigger things, he has got away with it!
Can I just clarify....that I spoke with Cihan today and I mentioned the complaints from the forum,(these are the 'number' of complaints that saddened him)as he was not aware of them. He was aware of the complaint made at the salon, as he told me about that before I had chance to mention it. He took note of the complaint, spoke with Burak, and sacked him!
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Hi Nikki to clarify, so Cihan did know about the previous complaint (from Jackstee wife and friend) as he confirmed it to you this morning, but did not do anything about it till you visited him today, is that correct?Or did he sack Burak prior to your visit? Sorry just want to clarify, as it's not clear and important to others on future custom on how he handled it. Thanks Andrew
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When I spoke to Cihan today I spoke about this thread on the forum, the mentioning of their salon and the assistant Burak. I mentioned complaints about Buraks behaviour..... Cihan told me that he was only aware of a complaint (which I pressume was from Jackstee, wife and friend) as it was mentioned to him in person. He told me that he had dealt with the situation after the complaint was made, and as a result Burak was sacked. I confirmed this with another member of staff too.
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So Burak was sacked before you went in to speak Cihan today...is that what you are saying?
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I am saddened that this hasn't been dealt with by the police. OK this man is sacked but he can now go and work in another salon and do the same there, I would have reported him to the police, it's sexual assault that's been going on here, his boss should have reported him to the police but instead he kept this guy on to sexually assault another lady!!!
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Blimey what do people want!!! There was a male in a popular hairdressers, reported to be sexually assaulting clients and 48 hours later possibly thanks to this forum and sunnyd, now there is not. I'd call that a result. As for the police, you will need to PM those who have been assaulted to progress that.
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It's pretty obvious from Sunnyd's last post that Burak was sacked after the first (person to person) complaint!
In the UK, we would expect the police to be called but we are in Turkey not the UK! The customers' who were affected could have called in the police if they so wished but Cihan has dealt with complaint in the way he saw appropriate and has probably learnt a big lesson as a result. If customers choose to not frequent the salon now .... that is there choice, so I don't see the point in raking over old ground. If people don't agree with the action taken, they will vote with their feet ... simple!
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As I said I am saddened and still am that this man wasn't reported to the police either by the ladies it happened to or the owner of the shop. I have lived here for 5 years and am so shocked to read this statement, 'we would expect the police to be called but we are in Turkey not the Uk'! Wow!!!
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Actually Linda it is not pretty obvious, perhaps you should read the very first post again by Jackstee before making assumptions, he mentions last week and then another visit a week later on the 9th August were it is reported that Burak was still there, thus the clarification from Nikki was asked. For the record if it is as stated then Burak remained in his post after the complaint was made,thus meaning he took no action until Nikki's visit today, and I for one find that totally unacceptable.Everyone has a right to decide whether or not they give their custom to AS&C in future but a properly informed decision on it may be better after such a serious issue. What difference does it make whether it happened in the UK or Turkey it is still a subject the police will/can deal with, it's sexual assault, I have dealt with many cases in the UK which show that people like this can and do progress onto more serious offences, it is down to the complainants (victims) to take it further or not, not you or I regardless of it being in Turkey, although I would encourage and support it being reported to the police. On a personal level I wanted to know what action Cihan took after the complaint was made to him, like others clearly do, before I recommend his business to others (again) or my partner and daughter visit his place again as they do. It is a result he has been sacked unfortunately it is not a satisfactory result if it took possibly 1 single more sexual assault's to occur and over a week before action was finally taken from what I am reading, thus why clarification was requested.
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Jackstee chose to publicise this rather than go to the police. This you can see from his opening post. You can respect his choice or take it up with him. I really don't know what else you are hoping for. People can indeed digest the 7 pages that are in full public view here and make their decision - that is in fact what happens.
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Originally posted by sunnyd
When I spoke to Cihan today I spoke about this thread on the forum, the mentioning of their salon and the assistant Burak. I mentioned complaints about Buraks behaviour..... Cihan told me that he was only aware of a complaint (which I pressume was from Jackstee, wife and friend) as it was mentioned to him in person. He told me that he had dealt with the situation after the complaint was made, and as a result Burak was sacked. I confirmed this with another member of staff too.
I completely agree with Scunner in that a line should now be drawn. In order to respond to Corbindallas .... it is very obvious from Sunnyd's last post today, where she clarified once and for all that Burak had been sacked after the first complaint!
And to Karabag also .... I am not saying that I agree or disagree that the police haven't been invloved, it's just that you can't necessarily expect things to happen in the same way here as they would in the UK .... at the end of the day the customers who were affected could have called the police and it was they're decision that they chose not to! It is no good raking over old ground as the boy is no longer working there .....
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Surely at the end of the day it would have been one persons word against there other, impossible to prove so what would be the point of the Police?
I will continue to use Cihan (when I'm there) because, as I said early, it is the best haircut around. He's a lovely lad, has worked extremely hard to build up his business and shouldn't be flattened because he, unfortunately, hired a sleezeball. He got rid of him when he understood what was going on and that should be enough.
If the lad tries to get another job hairdressing chances he won't be successful because everybody knows everything in Fethiye
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It seems to me the result folks wanted has been achieved - ladies can now get their haircut without worrying if the guty is a pervert. Interestingly we had a very similar issue at the hammam in Ortaca and word very quickly got round and ladies stopped going so honestly i think these actions have probably saved the business which took a long time to build up.
Yes Mark it is LaDIva I recommended in Calis - a great cut , nice salon, convenient, well priced and all round good experience.
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He was not sacked after the first complaints, he was still working there when my wife went back(not expecting to see him) and the following day when I went there.
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Cripes - what an event.
Used to like the gents style - arms yanked out of sockets and ears flamed too. Sadly not enough left on the barnet to warrant a trip these days - like most of us i'll warrant ha ha.
Never mind glad its sorted girls!
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Maybe Kieth would like to lock it after this, as it has had the desired effect.
People have been warned and may be a little more aware now.
Update: The person was hired by a perviouse employee but subsiquently dismissed when he was showm the Chalis fourum.
Also the person concerned has been punished by someone who's reputation was involved
Lets hope this is the last of it
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The person was sacked after complaints made to one of the owners of the salon.
The owner was made aware of further complaints that were made on the forum.
This topic is now locked