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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Jacqui Harvey on August 11, 2011, 23:43:33 PM
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Iff you want the Government to stop the Benefits of the people who rioted on the London Streets sign here.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337
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I dont think a petition is enough to stop these yobs, stop the benefits they will just again steal
Sad story that ive only just seen the conclusion to tonight
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025079/LONDON-RIOTS-Ealing-hero-Richard-Mannington-Bowes-dies.html
Bring back corporal punishment in schools I say. It never did anyone any harm, at least we respected our elders and learned empathy for others.
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How will stopping their benefits help?
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It will p88s them off !!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately it was not just folk on benefits that were involved.
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No bargains to be had on this one I'm sure JH - it is not workable.
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This website had so many signatures yesterday it kept crashing, apparently if there are over 100,000 signatures the Government will have to discuss this in parliment.
Scorcher... The site does work.
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Plans are being drawn up by Ian Duncan Smith to withdraw benefits because over 100,000 people signed the petition so they have to act on it. Of course it doesn't mean it will be passed but shows the level of feeling.
Additionally Council leaders are talking about taking away council accomodation.
We'll see, but along with greater powers for police including the right to remove face coverings, its good to hear some tough talking.
Even consideration being given to changing some clauses in the Human Rights Act.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
How will stopping their benefits help?
Strange as it may seem, I personally, as a British Tax Payer don't want to pay tax to fund Benefits for scum not working, who accept handouts then go out to vandalise,steal, murder and take away the livelyhoods from honesty hardworking people.
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It seems that 90% of people in the U.K. agree with me after an on-line vote for the Daily Mail 90% want to stop the benefits of rioters and only 10% want to keep them.[^]
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I'm sure the site is working JH but that's not quite what I meant ! Withdrawal of benefits and housing will only exacerbate the problem and cost us all more in the long run. However if you are happy to side with the signees and that beacon of reason ie. the Daily Mail so be it. Not the solution I'm afraid but who knows what is ?
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With the cut backs can't the able bodied work for there benefit?
I would be nice to see grafitti removed and chewing gum scraped up from the street wouldn't it!?
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
Originally posted by tinkerman
How will stopping their benefits help?
Strange as it may seem, I personally, as a British Tax Payer don't want to pay tax to fund Benefits for scum not working, who accept handouts then go out to vandalise,steal, murder and take away the livelyhoods from honesty hardworking people.
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It seems that 90% of people in the U.K. agree with me after an on-line vote for the Daily Mail 90% want to stop the benefits of rioters and only 10% want to keep them.[^]
I don't want to fund them either but the question was 'How will stopping their benefits help?' what do you think they will do with no benefits and no council house?
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Get a job?
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Originally posted by tinkerman
what do you think they will do with no benefits and no council house?
It certainly wouldn't affect the little rich kids who were convicted after other quite recent riots.
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Example of rioter on benefits who has two children under 5:
Jacqui you suggest that that rioter's benefits should be withdrawn. What happens to the two innocent kids.
The State would surely have to accept responsibility for these children and the cost of same would presumably have to be borne by the taxpayer.
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Example Rioter of sixteen who has a child and was on T.V. this morning boasting about the things he took. He was dressed in new trainers and new jogging pants but managed to get some nappies for his baby. He also said he lived with his Mum.
I don't advocate throwing people out of their homes, but I think each case could be taken on merit. So teenagers who don't want to work that can draw benefits should have them withdrawn.
I would also be interested in the Rioter with two children under 5 years old. How long has he been out of work? Does he plan to keep increasing his family to get more benefits so he does not have to work?.
When we got married and my husband came out of the Merchant Navy there was no work. He wrote for so many jobs and eventually got a job in Scotland and we got a small council house. I had to leave all my friends and family and start a new as I was an only child it was a terrible wrench, but I did it and my husband, studied long and hard at home and at College to get qualifications for a better job, sometimes after work he sat up until 3.00 in the morning studying and then off to work at 8.00am the next day. We could have stayed in Liverpool and he could have gone on benefits but we choose to make a better life for ourselves and the children we hoped to have when we could afford to look after them ourselves.
People have choices, a lot take the easy option.
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I have signed the petition ..not because I think it would work but it is the only way I can protest at what the little sods have done to innocent people's business, houses and jobs, not to mention the pointless loss of life.
My husband is self employed and his van with all his tools was stolen one night. The saddest thing I have ever done was to watch him trying to put his business back in place. So no pity for any criminal.
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Ok.Their benefits are stopped.Then what? Who feeds the wife and the children of the rioter? Is that not punishing them to and illegaly I would imagine.Do we then stop the benefits of everyone that has been convicted of any crime.including the MPs who cheated the country out of thousands of pounds.The same MPs who know doubt think this is a great idea.
It will never happen as it opens a whole can of worms and know doubt some legal eagle will dream up a way so the rioters can then sue the government for millions.
Let the law deal with them thats what it is for.
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Jacqui/heather07 - what happens to the two innocent children[?]
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Should people who are on benefits be exempt from paying for things they trash then?
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No they shouldn't. But I think we do have to consider the consequences of the punishments which we impose.
You will know that my gut reaction was to throw the book at these people and I still want them punished severely (new topic pending)but that will involve consequences.
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" Iff you want the Government to stop the Benefits of the people who rioted on the London Streets sign here."
Why just the London Streets rioters?
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anyone who is imprisioned due to a criminal offence loses their entitlement to social security benefits, that has always been the case. Doubletwo & Highlander, if it was a man with a family, then the partner then claims for the children.(so the taxpayer still pays!-lets face it how much does it cost us to keep these scum in prison -£500+ probably?)no-win,no-win for us then.
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Just to make it clear, I want them punished to the full a well, but I don't want to punish two innocent 5 year olds as a result.
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Originally posted by christine atherton
anyone who is imprisioned due to a criminal offence loses their entitlement to social security benefits, that has always been the case. Doubletwo & Highlander, if it was a man with a family, then the partner then claims for the children.(so the taxpayer still pays!-lets face it how much does it cost us to keep these scum in prison -£500+ probably?)no-win,no-win for us then.
Exactly my point.
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Probably cheaper to let them riot then
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Looks like the first eviction is going to take place
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/riot-suspects-parent-being-evicted-516353.html
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That's more like it, well done Wandsworth.
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It is customary to wait until the defendant pleads guilty or is found to be guilty.
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Originally posted by Anne
Looks like the first eviction is going to take place
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/riot-suspects-parent-being-evicted-516353.html
The key here is "responsibility"
Our country is being consumed by people wanting everyone else to take responsibility for their behaviour eg - was deprived as a kid, single parent families, my school was rubbish, there is nothing for kids to do, no jobs/low pay.
From what I saw, the majority of rioters were mere kids - where were their parents and shouldn't they be held responsible?
We live in a society that seeks to blame anyone and everything and never wanting to take personal responsibility for their own behaviour. How many deprived, abused, poorly educated people have gone on to make a decent life for themselves (eg Jacqui and her husband's efforts to improve their lives) rather than holding their hand out for compensation after selling their "story" of hard times?
Stop counselling these yobs and make them take ownership of both their actions and the consequences - they (and their parents) should be clearing up, not the victims!
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Originally posted by Highlander
Jacqui/heather07 - what happens to the two innocent children[?]
As I said John I know we can't take their money but at least by signing the petition they will know the strength of feeling against them. What else can we do if we go out and protest we are as bad as them.
As for the two innocent children my heart goes out to them as they will never be taught right from wrong. Their have been parents shouting on the tv that poor kids have nothing to do. That is not the fault of shopkeepers or innocent people who have lost their homes.
On a positive note the amount of young folk who were out with brushes to help clean up mess that all is NOT lost for the next generation.
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The petition has reached over 100,000 signatures now.I signed it couple of days ago.