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General Topics => Football => Topic started by: sandgrounder on August 28, 2011, 18:13:16 PM
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Arsene Wenger??
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Time for a change I think for both him and the supporters
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How quickly people forget - Wenger brought Arsenal back to the very top and much as I don't like the moaning git he also made the club millions for example when buying players for half a million and selling them on after great service for tens of millions. They've just lost their two most valuable members of staff - which company could cope the same as before having lost their two top salesmen or whatever? Arsenal fans wanting his departure need a reality check or a new club - perhaps they could follow money grabber Nasri (who was he before Wenger bought him) to Man City.
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Presumably the answer last Thursday morning would have been no.
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If I had his ear I would tell him:
He needs to make a statement of intent within 3 days by buying: Wesley Sneijder - Gary Cahill and Carlos Tevez - will he - probably not ;)
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so buy,buy,buy, if you want to buy trophys support Chelsea or Man city, ferguson has proved you can do it with youngsters, he done it today. ;)
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It's a shame that the so called World class players he still has don't seem to give a damn about the club, judging by today's performance.
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Sir Alex Ferguson said: "He has been a big adversary and will continue to be when he gets his big players back."
I think that answers the question.
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The situation at Arsenal is not new and has been brewing for 5 years. Every year the club seemed to lose one or two of their big players and they have never been replaced. Yes, he has made a great deal of money out of the sales but the club has invested it in the new ground and the development of the old Highbury.Arsenal may be a very well run club financially but where is all the money going. The season ticket prices are the most expensive in the world.
Today was really the last straw as the team he put out was the weakest Arsenal side that I have ever seen. There is really no excuse for it and blaming games against Liverpool and the two CL games as an excuse is not really acceptable. The team was totally unprepared. The defence did not have a clue whether they were playing high up the pitch or not. The two centre backs did not evn understand that they were on the pitch. Wenger has got to take the blame for that.Half the team were unknowns and most of the others had passed their sell by dates.
The problems now for the club is the ability to attract big name players to a team that, based on the performances this season, be lucky to finish in the top half of the table. You cannot expect supporters to pay top dollar to watch a group of overpaid second raters perform. What the club has got to do is spend, try to survive this year and come out fighting next season. This will not be easy as they will not qualify for Europe next season.
Highlander you talk about getting players back. Wilshire, Vermalen,Gervenhio and Sagna are not going to turn the tide. In january he will lose 3 players to the African nations Cup. The answer being they buy a cheap South korean.
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Yes but how is the situation Wenger's fault? (I can't believe I'm defending him or Arsenal!!) but the board will want him to spend 50p on new players and any manager will spend every penny of £500 million. There are injuries (I understand, I don't know who they are referring to) major players on the way out and nobody of the same class coming in. Not the manager's fault!
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You cannot say he has not to take some of blame for the situation. I agree, that it is not solely him and the board are also in the frame for the current problems.
Everyone has been telling him that he needs to build the spine of the team and he has ignored it. The board has said that he has money to spend. Someone must be lying. Could you see Fergie or Jose staying if they have been told there is no money available? They would walk and maybe that is what Wenger should have. I do not think it is that black and white. Wenger has had this dream that he was going to win the prem and everything else with a bunch of kids. He has even changed his management style from the type of team that would never get bossed about to a bunch of little footballers who cannot hack it against the Boltons and Stokes of this world.It is reckoned that Arsenal concede 31 goals from set pieces last season and what has he done to solve the problem,he has done nothing.
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You obviously know Arsenal way better than I do. It just seems shameful to me how quickly the fans turned on their manager.
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Prior to living in Turkey, I was a season ticket holder when they played at Highbury. I am currently on the waiting list to become a season ticket holder again.I am a gold meber which does give me the chance to purchase tickets and it does hurt when your team gets humiliated by your arch enemy. Although it is not nice losing to Spurs, a defeat by them is a lesser blow than getting turned over by Man Utd.For the past 20 years we have always finished above Spurs.
I am not looking for Arsene Wengers head, I want him and the board to become realistic and get the team sorted out and to start winning silverware again. Wenger for four years kept telling us that we have this young team and it is next year that is going to be the year and nothing has materialized. We are now known as a selling club. Find these players bring them on and flog them to Man City or other clubs like them. Wenger knew that he was going to lose Fagregas and Nasri for a while. What did he do go out and spend £12 million on a kid Oxlade-Chamberlaine.That money could have been used to buy Mata and what happens he dithers and mata goes to Chelsea.
Most managers would not have survived at any other club as long as Wenger has without winning something. The only thing we have been winning is the preseason competition and we could not even win that this year.
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Originally posted by Scunner
You obviously know Arsenal way better than I do. It just seems shameful to me how quickly the fans turned on their manager.
Yeah, reminds me very much of Liverpool[:(!]
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I believe Man City had 80 million pound sitting on the bench yesterday, all on approx £200,000 a week. Yes that looks like the way football has become, sad state to be in.:-\
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Found this - - -
after this weekends round of games, ur local satellite tv operator has rescheduled games for the rest of the season as follows:
1. for MAN UTD matches, pls tune in to skysports HD (the channel of champions).
2. for CHELSEA matches, pls tune in to the discovery channel (still trynna discover the right blend of winning formulae to sustain success).
3. for MAN CITY matches, pls tune in to the arabic channel.
4. for LIVERPOOL, tune in to ur history channel (full of talk of history).
5. and now for ARSENAL, u can catch them live on cartoon network every week ( full of kids and the biggest joke in the EPL at the moment).
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The next two EPL games on the channel of champions
Norwich v WBA
Fulham v Blackburn
:Dlaugh a minute you united fans:D
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and the next one is .....
QPR v Newcastle:D
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Lol - i only found it - 'tis only a game after all. Tut - back to the brewing then! ha ha
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back to brewing, [instead of stirring]haha.screamland.
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Who me - nay never - must be my sense of humor and Yorkshire wit. Back to stirring - the Brew!
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I think the Board are to blame for all the ill's that befall Arsenal at the present time.
They are living in a time warp. You cant expect players to say we will accept the
sub-standard wages you are offering.
Who in there right mind would go to Arsenal if Man city came calling.
Man U learnt the lesson last year with the Rooney fiasco, They paid up.
Arsene can find as many rising stars as he like's.... But market force's dictate Who gets the best players.
So what, we had eight players unavailable! so what we sold Top players!
We cant buy anyone because the Board wont pay the going rate.
Sack the Board.
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I dont believe that to be the case, I think its through Arsenes own arrogance that he never bought any players, the board always said there was money but Arsene thought he could do it with young players and now its all caught up with him, the senior players know now that they will never win anything whilst he plays this game and are sloping off to more ambitious clubs.
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Or indeed clubs that pay them much more money. Funny how Ferguson also thought he can do it with young players, and is doing :)
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Time will tell, when the senior players are back and fit.
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i think its ridiculous to say he should go.The same is already being said about Arry of Spurs.I think they are both doing a marvelous job and are great managers and long may they both stay.
8-2 and 1-5.Fantastic. :)
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We have 5 season tickets within my family for the Emirates, we are also a family of Gooner supporters through and through. I can honestly say that AFC winning trophies is not at the top of my list, watching and enjoying a fabulous game of football played in a fluent and passionate way would take that place. I have never been a glory hunter but it is nice when the silverware comes along.
AFC have played some of the best football in the premiership for quite a few seasons now, all with young talent that isn't overpaid and hasn't come with a massive transfer fee. Arsene came with a dream of bringing players through the ranks and keeping them together for the longevity of their careers. AFC are a business first and do not rely on some billionaire to pump cash in as a quick fix and buy the silverware along with it. If our chairman was to walk tomorrow the club would continue without a hitch, this cannot be said of other clubs in the premiership.
The turning point for AFC was the cup final against Birmingham, if we would have won that then certain players may have stayed for a little longer. AFC have been competing at the highest level for season after season and all with young players that have cost the club very little. Players that we have dipped into the coffers to bring to the club have not always worked out as their is no guarantee that they will perform, Man City and Adebayor is a recent example of this.
Man Utd were the better team on the day, AFC are having behind the scene issues but please don't lose sight of the fantastic work that Wenger has done over the years and I for one hope he continues to do. Wenger changed our game here in England with all his fancy diets and fitness levels, no more fags at half time etc but WOW! what an exciting league we all sit and enjoy now.
AFC will come back fighting you can be sure of that, 14 years continuous champions league qualification is proof of that. I would love AFC to have the big money to spend and win everything but that is not the Arsenal way and never has been.
I would like to end on giving Fergie credit for being such a gentleman towards Arsene Wenger and the team. Arsenal have not had the best start to the season but it will come around, the bonus is that we are still above the Spuds!! ;)
Gooner til I die :D
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There writes a true football man.
Well done fletch. I wish your team and their supporters all the best for the rest of the season.
And couldn't agree more with you about Fergie.
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Fergie has gone way up in my estimation for the way he spoke on Sunday and the support that he has given Wenger over the past couple of weeks.
Fergie has a very young team but the main difference over Arsenal he has the cash to buy the cream of the current crop of young players. In the past year he has probably spent about £60 million.Utd have never been afraid to spend and as a club they are technically broke. The balance sheet is full of debt. On the other hand Arsenal has a balnace sheet that is probably the best in the world of football. Maybe it is time to really loosen the purse strings.
Arsene Wenger revelutionised the English game. The drinking culture has disappeared from mostof the clubs. Training methods and diet have changed. In Arsenal, under Wenger they have one of the best stadiums in the world,state of the art training facilities and a scouting system plus a youth policy that has been the envy of most clubs.
I do hope he sorts it out and that he will be remembered for the above and not the man who was in charge of the Arsenal side that had a reccord defeat.I hope that he abandons this policy of trying to win the Prem with bargain buys. It has not worked and it is time to change strategy.
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Is that the same Fergie who paid £31m for Rio? Yes he's brought kids through but also spent big.
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Fergie has the freedom to purchase as well as develop, he really is the only manager in the premiership that has got the formula right over the years.All joking aside, MUFC have been the team to beat for the last 20 years and credit where it's due they are a fantastically strong well prepared side every time they step onto the pitch. This in my opinion is exactly what AFC want to achieve but with the addition of being debt free.
Arsenal have done brilliant under Wenger for what he has had to work with, a loosening of the purse strings may not be an option if it doesn't fit into the business side of things. Its hard to explain as I am aware that if you invest money in a team and they achieve success then your investment comes rolling back into the coffers with interest but if they don't achieve and as such de-value themselves then the Arsenal business is damaged. AFC will not, and nor should they bow to the media pressure over a couple of games, change their business model.
Fans and the media are so fickle at times and I do feel that Arsenal will struggle to fill their seats this season but I really hope not because I for one will always go to a game when I have the opportunity. Leeds supporters have mostly stayed loyal to their team through the troubled times by walking through the gates and supporting the club with big numbers. I am not saying that AFC face the same downfall (sorry Stoop) as Leeds but the fans should remember that this is football, our fantastic game that is very much like the British economy with its ups & downs. True fans will take the true British stiff upper lip approach, stick together, find the humour somewhere in amongst the misery and ride things out. :D
This topic is killing me as I had a phone conversation today with someone that was with Arsene Wenger yesterday and .................Sorry!! ;)
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The problem as I see it is that a couple of clubs in the UK have billions to spend and the rest are in massive debt - or debt free and trying to continue that way. Clubs like Chelsea and Man City will be the downfall of the game in this country. they may have success but at what price to others?
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More importantly, where will they be should their owners decide to walk? I do feel that the premiership bubble will eventually burst and all the big name players will walk.
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Stoop and Fletch, i absolutely agree, as i said before, Ferguson has proved it you dont have to buy silverware.[^]
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Veron - record transfer fee
Andy Cole- record transfer fee
Rio Ferdinand - record transfer fee
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With money generated by the club, not a sugar daddy!
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hardly, borrowed by the yanks more like...
berbatov 30m, rooney 27m, valencia 16m, anderson 15m, hargreaves 17m, carrick 18.6m, plus the 60m they spent this year.
like I keep saying the league has always been bought, even more so the in premiership.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Veron - record transfer fee
Andy Cole- record transfer fee
Rio Ferdinand - record transfer fee
All bought long before any Yanks arrived with borrowed money!
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The statement made by Des was Fergie doesnt need to buy, he does even with the big money Chelsea,Man city, liverpool, Tottenham are spending now, man u are still 5th in the spending league since the premiership was formed
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No, I said that the club generated the money used to buy Veron, Cole and Ferdinand. In reply you said that money was "borrowed by yanks". I pointed out that you were wrong. Nothing to do with Des's point. But to back up his point, the most successful club in Premiership history, by far, is only the 5th biggest spender?!! Helps prove Des's point me thinks :D
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they were the top biggest spender until a few seasons ago spending nearly 500m, not bad for a club that doesn't have to buy.
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My point is that they didn't need a rich owner to finance buying players - well until those American dickheads bought the club and plunged it into huge debt, causing a need to borrow to purchase things like players. And paper clips.
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Believe it or not we have some Leeds fans who want Bates to spend big to get us back into the Prem - or some sugar daddy to buy the club. Personally I would rather see the club buy from the lower leagues or from abroad than pay the extortionate prices others are paying to get success. Bates' motto is to build the club up slowly but surely without giving into the high wage demands of some players and their agents. It's heart warming to see the likes of Beckford, Nunez, Becchio, Somma and others coming in at virtually no cost and proving their are still bargains out there. Adam Clayton was at Man City and they let us have him for a snip - thanks guys - great player and young ... and ambitious.
I fear for the likes of Everton who are skint but trying to stay in the Prem on a low budget. I hope they do well this season but I fear they might be in big trouble when even the likes Sunderland are spending mega bucks to try and stay in the league.