Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Local Charity Announcements => Topic started by: ovaciksarah on October 05, 2011, 19:55:16 PM
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Now at least, there is no excuse for anyone not returning to England, not to take their animals with them. as long as it,s after January next year. Hopefully, there will be no more people asking for homes for their family pets as they can,t take them home with them, as we,ll all know it,s a pile of removed_by_swear_filter, and they just don,y want to spend an y money on their beloved pets
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Originally posted by ovaciksarah
Hopefully, there will be no more people asking for homes for their family pets as they can,t take them home with them, as we,ll all know it,s a pile of removed_by_swear_filter, and they just don,y want to spend an y money on their beloved pets
That's a bit harsh Sarah. There are a number of people, ourselves included, who had no choice but to leave our pets (4 dogs, a cat and a lovebird ) behind. It wasn't a choice that we made lightly. Those that know us and the animals will know that it broke our hearts to do it.
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Yes, and as an adult there is no need to swear either, it just devalues you and your point. If you haven't been in the situation it is often best to shut up about it, this appears to be an attempt to start a war out of nothing - as KKOB says, it is one of the hardest decisions to face people who have (for their reasons) had to change their plans and it isn't a "pile of ****" at all.
If you want to spout off about something, spout off about the people who leave and phone AA the night before to come and collect their dog - they can't even be bothered to get it to the shelter themselves.
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That does read very harsh Sarah. Having to part with horses before (in the UK) I understand KKOB and his words totally.
Sometimes its best if the animal stays in its own environment - street dogs in Turkey that have been adopted but are still allowed to roam the streets would not enjoy life in the UK at all. To be cooped up in a house or garden and not allowed to roam would be most unfair.
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Sarah, I think your comments are harsh and too general.Taking animals back to the UK is expensive and maybe people do not have the funds available to do it. We took our 2 dogs back and it cost us a small fortune.I was lucky to be able to afford to do it and if I had to I would do it again. Many people who return to the UK have just had their dream blown apart and are returning because of finances. Even under the new rules it is still going to be expensive.
We have a big Turkish dog and we had a house with a big garden that we were returning to. If we were coming back to a flat then I would have had to leave him behind.
Many of us who use the CBF felt the pain that KKOB was going through when he had to return to the UK and leave his animals behind. If we had not already taken in a street dog we would have tried to help.
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I know just how much it broke Alan and Jens hearts leaving those animals behind...and people do have emergencies that change their lives and just can't take animals back with them, I think Sarah your comment was too generalized....I don't think you are totally wrong though as I do think that excuses are made by some people...having said that I can't imagine that when people have pets they ever do it with the knowledge that at some time they will have to return to the uk....but the new law will make things possible .
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I think you should get your facts right before you write anything, you will find that just taking your pet home with you does not come as easy as you think, by what I read it does not include certain countries, Turkey is not even mentioned on either list.
If you are in a EU country then fine you can take it back with you.
If you have exported an animal from the UK to certain non EU countries then you can take the pet back with you, but, if you got the animal in the country you are leaving which is outside the EU then the pet has to live in a EU country for six months before it can enter the UK.
Check out the Defra website.
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I'd suggest that ovaciksarah might have been affected by something or someone who's been involved in this kind of action, to have to go off on such a rant. Unfortunatly, that was exactly what it was...a rant. If she had a valid point, it was lost in translation I'm afraid. Maybe she'd like to come back on and explain further why this thread arose and give us a greater understanding about her initial post.
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Originally posted by Sus
I think you should get your facts right before you write anything, you will find that just taking your pet home with you does not come as easy as you think, by what I read it does not include certain countries, Turkey is not even mentioned on either list.
If you are in a EU country then fine you can take it back with you.
If you have exported an animal from the UK to certain non EU countries then you can take the pet back with you, but, if you got the animal in the country you are leaving which is outside the EU then the pet has to live in a EU country for six months before it can enter the UK.
Check out the Defra website.
I have just spoken to Defra telphone number 01228 403600 and can confirm that the proceedure for covering Turkey regarding pets (dogs,cats,ferrets:D)returning to the UK are 3 months blood test before they leave Turkey (ie if you are thinking about returning in Jan 2012 they need to be done now)this has to be taken anytime after 30 days of the rabbies jab, also a tape worm tablet has to be administered by a vet (ie in a EU country) and you must enter the UK after 12hrs but no longer than 24hrs, you can not fly directly to the UK from Turkey with your pet[?]:-\ but you can from Greece :)[?]all pets must be micro chipped, either here(Turkish pet) or if you exported a pet,from the UK he/she would have been chipped already :) if you follow this proceedure there is no quarentine required they do not need a pet passport, but require a veterinary health certificate issued in Turkey by your vet, hope this helps any one thinking about returning with pets after January 2012 8)
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My understanding is as BM06 explained it and this list of non approved countries will include every other country that is not mentioned on the approved list.The only issue that I have with BM06 summary is the specialist unit of Defra told me today that tick treatment will not be required but they have not made a formal decision on tapeworm. It is still under discussion with the EU but will be announced prior to January 2012. It looks like the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing in Defra.
In defence of Defra, I must admit that any time I have contacted them they have been excellent.They helped us with advice when we moved to Turkey and on our subsequent return to the UK.
What would be a concern is having to provide treatment for tapeworm in an EU country and the implications of bringing an animal back from Turkey. As BM06 said you will have to get to Greece and then onto the UK.
Be aware that the Defra site refers to the current rules and not those that will be in operation 2012.
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OPO, They did say that the tape worm issue could change by Jan 2012 to five days? but as you say its up in the air at the mo, but the guy quoted me the 12/24hrs scenario, but at the end of the day its a move in the right direction imo.
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i apologise for all on the forum, but sorry, was so angry, aquaintences are planning to move back to England, they do have the money, but are going to leave their animals behind, yet another friend who has much less money, is going to wait until January so she can take her dog with her. Suppose it depends how much your animals mean to you, plus I know some circumstances prohibit it, but I for one wouldn,t return to England without my 4 dogs, and I,m not wealthy
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I think that may have explained your original post O/sarah, and more proficiently written. It's easy to fired up about something and sometimes hard to put into words.
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I do agree with you to a point ovaciksarah however I have known quite a few folk who have had to go back suddenly (health, family whatever) and they tried to desperately re-home their pets before going on forums/contacting AA.
I have no intention to go back to the UK but I hope if I ever did have to, I will be able to take my pets with me. However, sometimes life is just not that simple regardless of how much money a person may have.
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If I ever had to return to the UK I wouldn't be able to take my dog as she is part pit bull, if god forbid this ever happened, I would have to rehome her and I only hope that I wouldn't be accused of dog dumping.
She is one of the most sweet natured dogs I know and everybody who meets her loves her, just a pity that these dogs have got such a bad reputation which boils down to the owners and not the dogs.
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Why can't they fly direct from Turkey? If you're doing all the quatantine bit they can so why, when you're following all the health procedures DEFRA ask for ae they saying this?
The thought of going via Greece would, IMO, be a nightmare. Via Germany perhaps.
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They may be able to fly back to Enland but would have to be put in quarantine for a number of months.Not all airlines will carry animals
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Someone correct me if I am wrong. But from beginning of 2012, you will be able to take pets back to UK using the pet passport scheme, and no quarantine needed. I think a specialist company will be required. Good news for those that can do this, though I imagine some might still have a challenge if they moved back to the UK as its too easy to end up with so many waifs and strays here, eh!
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Yes Rindaloo as of January, as long as your pet has a chip, has had rabies and blood test, and had 90 days in Turkey after the blood test, they can then fly stright to UK.
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by Sus
I think you should get your facts right before you write anything, you will find that just taking your pet home with you does not come as easy as you think, by what I read it does not include certain countries, Turkey is not even mentioned on either list.
If you are in a EU country then fine you can take it back with you.
If you have exported an animal from the UK to certain non EU countries then you can take the pet back with you, but, if you got the animal in the country you are leaving which is outside the EU then the pet has to live in a EU country for six months before it can enter the UK.
Check out the Defra website.
I have just spoken to Defra telphone number 01228 403600 and can confirm that the proceedure for covering Turkey regarding pets (dogs,cats,ferrets:D)returning to the UK are 3 months blood test before they leave Turkey (ie if you are thinking about returning in Jan 2012 they need to be done now)this has to be taken anytime after 30 days of the rabbies jab, also a tape worm tablet has to be administered by a vet (ie in a EU country) and you must enter the UK after 12hrs but no longer than 24hrs, you can not fly directly to the UK from Turkey with your pet[?]:-\ but you can from Greece :)[?]all pets must be micro chipped, either here(Turkish pet) or if you exported a pet,from the UK he/she would have been chipped already :) if you follow this proceedure there is no quarentine required they do not need a pet passport, but require a veterinary health certificate issued in Turkey by your vet, hope this helps any one thinking about returning with pets after January 2012 8)
I used Greece as an example you can fly from any EU country, you can not fly direct from Turkey, the tate worm must be administered in an EU country, as previously posted, there may be a change in this proceedure before Jan 2012 as previous post explains. 8)