Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: ribeye100 on November 03, 2011, 22:19:12 PM
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Hi all.
Jackie & I are moving out to Calis at the end of November and we are in a bit of a predicament.
My mother died some years ago and left a whole load of goods including about 12 real fur coats, these were purchased some 20-25 or more years ago by my father and since my mothers death have been stored by us in the garage. they are all in good condition and when purchased cost the old chap a stupid amount of money, bless him.
My question is? what are the feelings about these in Turkey? does anyone know? I am willing to include these in our removal container if they are of use as a donation to the people in the earthquake ares of Turkey as I know they are looking for warm clothes, or as a donation to one of various charities linked on CBF, I have heard that in America fur coats are used to make homeless animals feel more at home by using them as bedding? if these are of any use to anyone please let me know. but I don't want to bring them if they will be snubbed as they are in the UK.
If anyone has any ideas please let me know as we are flying out around 25th November. I hope this post hasn't offended anyone.
Mark
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Sorry, But Id bin them personally, times have changed and a fur coat is not the status symbol it used to be. I dont know about using them for the comfort of other animals, but I wouldnt want mine sleeping on dead pelts
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There is still a market for old fur coats in lots of countries including America where the woman wear them without problem. They are sold freely in lots of shops. They are also popular in Italy, Poland and Russian. I sold a fur coat I got in a house clearance, it was about 40 years old and I sold it to an Italian woman. I know it's no longer P.C. to wear fur, but if the coats are old they might as well be used. I personally would not wear real fur, but that's just my opinion. I value for the local charity shop and any fur coats donated are bought by the Russians and Poles who live locally. Lots of Charities will take fur coats and can sell them. It may be difficult to import fur into certain countries as some fur needs an import license, so it would be best to check if you can do it. I would think there would be no problem with fur coats in Turkey as most of the Turkish people do not feel the same as we do about animals.
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Originally posted by Julesp
Id bin them
yes maybe but if they could help someone why not put them to use
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Just asked the Turkish half and he says that same as most places in the world , unfortunately, Turks see wearing fur as a sign of wealth:( So they would sell over here :-\
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Jules Fur Coats are unfortunately back in fashion and lots of the big Design Houses are now selling them again. They are status symbols in many countries. If you think they are not longer status symbols take a look at the American market where they sell like hot cakes. When we were in N.Y. last Christmas I was amazed at the number of women in real fur and amazed at all the shops that sold them. Take a look at the price of the minks on this website in the States
http://www.webfurs.com/index.shtml?gclid=CMvs3uTHm6wCFYEZ4QodOzpc_Q
There is now a big secondary market for real fur coats.
I cannot see any Yank giving away a fur coat for an animal to sleep on when they can get upwards $1,000 for a secondhand mink:(
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Rather than transport them to Turkey is there any possibility of selling them to rich American idiots on Ebay and donating the money?
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Originally posted by Julesp
Just asked the Turkish half and he says that same as most places in the world , unfortunately, Turks see wearing fur as a sign of wealth:( So they would sell over here :-\
Jackie and I are of the same thought as most, we are not in favour of them and Jackie would never wear one, and even though I am an ex butcher feel the same ( not only would I never wear one but am not keen :-)) but these were purchased so many years ago the issues and thoughts of this subject was possibly different at the time.
It maybe that these will be thrown away but my offer is that if they can help someone, if that be a charity or earthquake survivor and I can bring them with us legally then the offer is there.
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Yes sell the on Ebay and donate the money.
Jacqui These people are sick
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Jacqui - what has the American market got to do with anything:(. ribeye100 is in the UK and is talking about take the coats to Turkey.
My view, the coats are what they are. If they can be used by a good cause free of charge then take them.
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Why not? In fairness the animal is long dead and the proceeds could pay for a computer for a school too poor to have one.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Rather than transport them to Turkey is there any possibility of selling them to rich American idiots on Ebay and donating the money?
Keith I have tried in the past but will gladly look into that again.
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My reply was to Jules not H, then Jules deleted the point of hers I was replying to :-\
We can sell things to America John, let them spend their money on a pile of old fur - that money can work wonders over in Turkey.
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Originally posted by Scunner
My reply was to Jules not H, then Jules deleted the point of hers I was replying to :-\
We can sell things to America John, let them spend their money on a pile of old fur - that money can work wonders over in Turkey.
this was my thought entirely
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Ribeye mentioned that Americans where using them for animal bedding. I was merely letting him know that the market in America as in lots of places around the world for fur is very buoyant and therefore the coats are not worthless as he seemed to think and well worth donating to a Charity who would be glad of them.
Jules
I do understand the Fur Market and I am not promoting it. I am explaining it.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Why not? In fairness the animal is long dead and the proceeds could pay for a computer for a school too poor to have one.
In my opinion it is still promoting fur as a good thing to have
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In my opinion it is promoting a pile of rank old crap to idiots and using the money to help people.
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Ribeye There are places in the U.K. that will buy fur coats. Look on Google.
This is just one http://www.thefurcoatshop.co.uk/
If you sell them you could donate the money to the Earthquake Fund.
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Originally posted by Scunner
In my opinion it is promoting a pile of rank old crap to idiots and using the money to help people.
I agree entirely with the fact that it is a pile of old rank etc. But I dont believe in passing it on
While people are selling and promoting the stuff. Animals are dieing in horrific conditions to supply the NEW demand,
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Not agreeing with passing on old fur coats could mean people wanting a fur coat need to go to a place that kills animals to get one! Sorry Jules but your opinion on this could cause animal cruelty not prevent it...
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I didn't mean to cause issues with this subject.
Maybe if there is a charity That feels they are ok with these and feel that they could put the funds raised by means of selling them or whatever they wan't to do with them to a good and worth while cause that will benefit people that need it, the offer is there and if you could pm me nobody needs to know.
Thanks for all your comments
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Jacqui - my humble apologies. I really must learn to read posts more carefully.
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Issues is what we are about here Mark, just leave us to it :D
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It's a very fine offer ribeye100 especially when you must have many other matters to be concerning yourself with. :).
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Originally posted by Scunner
Issues is what we are about here Mark, just leave us to it :D
Play away my friends :D
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Originally posted by Highlander
It's a very fine offer ribeye100 especially when you must have many other matters to be concerning yourself with. :).
Thanks for your kind words Highlander
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Originally posted by Scunner
Not agreeing with passing on old fur coats could mean people wanting a fur coat need to go to a place that kills animals to get one! Sorry Jules but your opinion on this could cause animal cruelty not prevent it...
But while people ae willing to buy and wear fur it DOES promote the New Fur Trade
Supply and Demand
Fakes and all
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Well every old fur coat sold is one person not needing animals to be killed to make it. I'd call that a victory for the animals.
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
Ribeye There are places in the U.K. that will buy fur coats. Look on Google.
This is just one http://www.thefurcoatshop.co.uk/
If you sell them you could donate the money to the Earthquake Fund.
jacqui thanks for the info. we had found that site but don't have the time to list the items on there with the move and selling the house in the UK, sorting Oscar the dog on a flight and all the rest of the C**p thats going on at the moment.
Thanks for researching though
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Originally posted by Scunner
Well every old fur coat sold is one person not needing animals to be killed to make it. I'd call that a victory for the animals.
I agree with that well said:-)
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I managed a charity in the the UK and we received a lot of fur coats through donations and house clearnces. The rag man would not take them and after a lot of research I contacted the Red Cross who collected them and sent them over to Russia to be distributed to the poor and needy people in Siberia!!!!
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I don't see any problem with selling them on, surely better than killing new animals?
Personally I would try Ebay, there's a lot of people in this country who can't afford to buy new clothes full stop and if there is going to be an 'artic winter' they're going to need something
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After a few phone calls the Red Cross have agreed to take them.
I hope they either get good money for them or are put to a use that will benefit the less fortunate.
Thank you for all your replies and sugestions
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Thats why we have Bee as our shop manager. Good result I think.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Well every old fur coat sold is one person not needing animals to be killed to make it. I'd call that a victory for the animals.
No It means one other person sees and wants but cant afford an original fur
So more animals are killed to supply the demand
And as this is very controlled and illegal in most countries now the poor animals are killed horifically, I am sorry I cannot condone the selling and buying of Fur Old or New
Look at the recent huggies boot thread on here
Ribeye 100 Sell the old stuff if you like Its your choice and if you can make a good profit from them again, its upto you,
As in my earlier post you will have no problems bringing or selling the coats in Turkey
I Just hope that one day The wearing of fur will be a thing of the past.
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Jules, I respect your view but you are wrong. If some mad dictator demands to see a dead body it's best to bring him one from the morgue rather than shoot someone and drag them in. The more you highlight the horrific way these animals are killed, the more important it is to utilise these old coats.
I too wish for a day when they have no place, but for now passing them on saves the barbaric killing of animals that you claim it causes.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Jules, I respect your view but you are wrong. If some mad dictator demands to see a dead body it's best to bring him one from the morgue rather than shoot someone and drag them in. The more you highlight the horrific way these animals are killed, the more important it is to utilise these old coats.
I too wish for a day when they have no place, but for now passing them on saves the barbaric killing of animals that you claim it causes.
But if some mad dictator demands a dead body and they have all gone. someone else will kill to supply him with what he wants, showing people how they supply him must surely educate people?
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But they aren't all gone, Ribeye has a pile of them - if you can't grasp that point then I will give up and leave you to your views.
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When we came over here I brought a full length fur coat and 2 jackets.
As they didn't fit any longer my Turkish friend took them. She still has the 2 jackets and wears them and occasionally in winter I see a lady wearing the fur coat.So at least mine are still being worn 30 yrs on.
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It's all about principles!
If you believe that fur coats are repugnant and should not be manufactured or sold then the principle should stand first and foremost.
In order to stop furs being manufactured and sold today then it is necessary to create an environment that makes it unacceptable to be seen fearing fur.
When someone is wearing and seen wearing a fur it does not matter in the least if it is old or new.
The wearing of a fur gives out the message that it is ok to wear fur.
If you are against little animals being carved up to make a fashion garment then it is logical that old or new it really doesn't matter.
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hi sell them on ebay and give the money to a charity
there would be more room in your container for other things
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I agree with Scunner.
Jules, you make the point that more animals would be killed to make coats affordable. This just isn't true, furs have always been and always be very expensive.
I don't think the majority of people buy them as fashion accessories (not nowadays anyway) they buy them because they are warm!
Canada has a large fur trade because their Winters are damned cold, eskimos use the seal pelts because they NEED something that will keep them warm.
And before you say there are alternative types of clothing nowadays there isn't! when did you last see a good Winter coat made from Wool? Unless you're prepared to spend a fortune on a good coat the fashion nowadays is rubbish. 90% made of cotton, nylon, polyester etc. There's no warmth in it and if you live in a cold climate you need something. Especially as you get older.
If these old fur coats can give someone warmth (especially in Turkey when these people haven't even got houses now!) then let them be used.
I really can't see a Turkish neighbour of an earthquake victim rushing off to buy a mink the next day :-\
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Old fur coat in UK donated to reputable charity.
Result!
Genuine vintage fur coat for sale ebay.russia $1999.99 plus shipping
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Vintage-midi-length-Galanos-Black-Russian-broadtail-Fur-Coat-Jacket-M-12-/370541540412#ht_951wt_983
and plenty more new and old for sale too at much higher prices ;)
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If you take into account that as some people think we must not wear old fur coats because it perpetuates the trade, how about all the faux fur coats that are flying off the shelves every year. Should Faux Fur be banned too? Some of the faux fur coats look and feel like the real thing so this means that women really do want to wear fur even when it's faux and stopping the trade in old fur coats will not stop women wanting to wear something that looks and feels like fur. So, if all desire for fur is to be stopped would mean stopping selling faux fur also?
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Am I wrong to wear leather then.
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No doubt the lady does not wear leather shoes, coats or carry a leather handbag, nor eat red/white meat or fish.
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Let's see if it sells, Nichola. There's loads of coats on there but I doubt many sell.
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Jules has made me feel so guilty that i have got rid of my favourite Donkey jacket. :-\
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Plenty to choose from in the USA:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coats-Jackets-/63862/i.html?rt=nc&Material=Fur&_dcat=63862&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m1539
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Originally posted by ronzeus
Jules has made me feel so guilty that i have got rid of my favourite Donkey jacket. :-\
Yes faux fur should also be banned because if you cannot tell the diference its rotten
Ok I will now post the video that the swiss anti fur trade has been publising for ages Faux Fur or Real Fur are all bad I dont support the arguement that fur is warmest for people because there are many synthetic substitutes. I do think fur is the best coat for the animal that grows it
Watch this if you can, and I am so surprised and disgusted that so many people on here supported Misha and Tom But feel its OK for the fur trade to continue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTfGWpJeSo&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dchinese%2Bracconn%2Bdogs%26aq%3Df
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Originally posted by Julesp
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Originally posted by ronzeus
Jules has made me feel so guilty that i have got rid of my favourite Donkey jacket. :-\
Yes faux fur should also be banned because if you cannot tell the diference its rotten
Ok I will now post the video that the swiss anti fur trade has been publising for ages Faux Fur or Real Fur are all bad I dont support the arguement that fur is warmest for people because there are many synthetic substitutes. I do think fur is the best coat for the animal that grows it
Watch this if you can, and I am so surprised and disgusted that so many people on here supported Misha and Tom But feel its OK for the fur trade to continue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTfGWpJeSo&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dchinese%2Bracconn%2Bdogs%26aq%3Df
And that has just made me feel sick again But maybe people will understand oneday how bad this trade is
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Thanks for all the comments.
I hadn't ever thought that this would have been such a hot topic.
The coats are with the Red Cross now and I must say they were over the moon with them.
Just need to book our flights now for me & Jackie, and of course Oscar
all exciting times, sould be in Calis full time late November/early December 8) good times ahead :)
All the best to you all
Mark
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So the upshot of all this caring about animals is that this topic caused the Red Cross in the UK will get the proceeds and good causes in Turkey missed out on money that could do so much. Great work "animal lovers"!
Best of luck Mark (and Jackie & Oscar) - I remember how exciting and scary this final period in the UK before setting off is.
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On the other side of the coin after all the carry on in G.B. about mink farms, lots of animal rights people broke into the farms and let the minks go. We now have a problem with wild minks who are being actively hunted and killed by local authorities. The mink are responsible for killing so many of our native countryside animals including the water vole. I was speaking to a local man who has a trout farm and he told me he has a bad problem with mink. He said they are the most vicious animals and they attack for pleasure. He said they they will take a bite out of the back of a trout and just leave it to die a long lingering death.
I don't want a mink coat. I don't wear real fur, but I think if some of the Animal Right People had acted more responsibly minks would not now be a problem in our countryside. It's ironic that they are now being hunted and killed anyway.
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Originally posted by Scunner
So the upshot of all this caring about animals is that this topic caused the Red Cross in the UK will get the proceeds and good causes in Turkey missed out on money that could do so much. Great work "animal lovers"!
Best of luck Mark (and Jackie & Oscar) - I remember how exciting and scary this final period in the UK before setting off is.
Cheers Keith for the good words, ironically the Red Cross have said that there is a great chance that some of these coats could end up in Turkey for the earthquake appeal. :)
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Jules I don't agree at all, synthetic products are NOT warm (unless you're prepared to wear 20 layers) A skin or pelt is the warmest thing you can wear because the wind cannot get through it and, invariably, it does have some sort of fur. That's how the animals keep warm.
Are you saying that you don't approve of sheepskin? If so I really hope you don't eat lamb or mutton. Even if you don't millions of people do and why waste the skins? And, as someone pointed out, leather shoes/handbags etc. They're a by product of people eating beef.
Please don't misunderstand me, I don't agree with breeding and killing animals for the pelts but I DO think the coats that are already around should be put to good use.
With regards to faux fur, that's made of synthetic materials so what's wrong with them[?]
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Originally posted by Julesp
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Originally posted by ronzeus
Jules has made me feel so guilty that i have got rid of my favourite Donkey jacket. :-\
Yes faux fur should also be banned because if you cannot tell the diference its rotten
Ok I will now post the video that the swiss anti fur trade has been publising for ages Faux Fur or Real Fur are all bad I dont support the arguement that fur is warmest for people because there are many synthetic substitutes. I do think fur is the best coat for the animal that grows it
Watch this if you can, and I am so surprised and disgusted that so many people on here supported Misha and Tom But feel its OK for the fur trade to continue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTfGWpJeSo&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dchinese%2Bracconn%2Bdogs%26aq%3Df
I feel that if an old fur coat is recirculated then at least the animal has made a useful contribution, especially if its used in a charitable manner. Perhaps a bit of twisted dignity there?
They're old. Gone. Dead. If the fur can keep someone needy warm, then it compensates for the ones sold commercialy. Then at least the poor animal did not die in vain.
I would hope that when I'm gone, some part of me can be used.
However !!!!!...... yes! In this day and age, it should stop.
Theres a difference between catching a fish, or (humanely killing a cow and eating it) and skinning a perfectly healthy animal just to decorate someones shoulders, or because its the best way of keeping warm. (there are other ways).
Tried to watch the clip but had to stop half way. As a chef I have skinned a few animals in my past but this is something else.
Is there a reason why they couldnt at least make sure the animals are dead before they start skinning them?.... Horrible! Barbaric!
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Originally posted by Julesp
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Originally posted by ronzeus
Jules has made me feel so guilty that i have got rid of my favourite Donkey jacket. :-\
Yes faux fur should also be banned because if you cannot tell the diference its rotten
Ok I will now post the video that the swiss anti fur trade has been publising for ages Faux Fur or Real Fur are all bad I dont support the arguement that fur is warmest for people because there are many synthetic substitutes. I do think fur is the best coat for the animal that grows it
Watch this if you can, and I am so surprised and disgusted that so many people on here supported Misha and Tom But feel its OK for the fur trade to continue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTfGWpJeSo&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dchinese%2Bracconn%2Bdogs%26aq%3Df
So will you be attending any of the Korban Byram celebrations (sic) that takes part this time of year, every year, Jules[?]
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What has Julie attending Kurban Bayram celebrations got to do with the fur trade. This is a religious tradition and the meat will be eaten. A lot of it will go to poor families in the area. There is a collecting van going around Gunlukbasi and Calis who collects the furs.This is part of a charity run by Turkish Airlines. These are then re cycled to make warm clothing for the poor and the army in Turkey. Julie is one of the kindest women I know. She works for FIG who everyone knows does a lot of good for disadvantage kids in this area and the outlying very poor areas. She has adopted pets from the Animal Sanctuary and is at the moment nursing a stray kitten off our complex. Does she need to be got at because she has strong views on The Fur Trade.??
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Originally posted by mercury
Does she need to be got at because she has strong views on The Fur Trade.??
NO !
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No. Its the barbaric way the animals are killed for bayram that i feel is so disturbing. but that seems to be ok. No matter who eats it or benefits from it. They could be more humane when they kill these animals, i think its awfull . :(
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Julie is not being "got at" in my opinion Anne. There is a discussion going on and she is arguing her case like everyone else who chose to make their opinions known. Discussion forum you see ;)
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Anne, What has working for FIG, being kind, adopting a cat, got to do with the fur trade? I think you answered your own question in regarding Kurban bayram they kill an animal and eat it and use the fur for clothes to keep warm! we all know what Julie does, and I for one support her holehartedly but that is not what the topic is about. Its about FUR.
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Just looked up on Google what happens.. Apparently this is the festival of sacrifice, so a goat or sheep is bought and the family gather around whilst the animal has it's throat slit and the blood is drained into a hole in the ground. Sounds horrible. If this not cruelty I don't know what is.
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:oHonest Jules ,my Donkey jacket wasnt from a real donkey.
Actually i was trying to take some heat out of a very emotive discusion.
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And developed from a Calis topic into a general one so now I shall move it into the non-Turkey area.
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by Julesp
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Originally posted by ronzeus
Jules has made me feel so guilty that i have got rid of my favourite Donkey jacket. :-\
Yes faux fur should also be banned because if you cannot tell the diference its rotten
Ok I will now post the video that the swiss anti fur trade has been publising for ages Faux Fur or Real Fur are all bad I dont support the arguement that fur is warmest for people because there are many synthetic substitutes. I do think fur is the best coat for the animal that grows it
Watch this if you can, and I am so surprised and disgusted that so many people on here supported Misha and Tom But feel its OK for the fur trade to continue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTfGWpJeSo&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dchinese%2Bracconn%2Bdogs%26aq%3Df
So will you be attending any of the Korban Byram celebrations (sic) that takes part this time of year, every year, Jules[?]
My lifestyle now with my turkish partner who is too educated and european to follow the custom means that I dont see or take part in the Bayram slaughter celebrations
But when I first came to live here my neighbours all slaughtered goats for Bayram, I respect that, they have a feast of meat they cannot usually afford and its a special day like Christmas for Christians, the local council collect the pelts for the poor to keep warm, I have no arguement with people selling leather and goat and sheepskin to keep warm, but that isnt classed as fur!
Fur is taken from animals that you wouldnt normally eat Cats Dogs Minks Lions Tigers Whatever,it isnt a by product from food
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Yes it is about Fur. I couldnt see what Kurban Bayram and wearing leather shoes etc. had to do with the Fur Trade. No you are right that working for kids etc. has nothing to do with the topic.
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Originally posted by peecee
Jules I don't agree at all, synthetic products are NOT warm (unless you're prepared to wear 20 layers) A skin or pelt is the warmest thing you can wear because the wind cannot get through it and, invariably, it does have some sort of fur. That's how the animals keep warm.
Are you saying that you don't approve of sheepskin? If so I really hope you don't eat lamb or mutton. Even if you don't millions of people do and why waste the skins? And, as someone pointed out, leather shoes/handbags etc. They're a by product of people eating beef.
Please don't misunderstand me, I don't agree with breeding and killing animals for the pelts but I DO think the coats that are already around should be put to good use.
With regards to faux fur, that's made of synthetic materials so what's wrong with them[?]
I have no problems with leather etc A by Product of meat, I am against killing animals just for the fur, Watch the video!! Faux Fur leads to fashion where real fur becomes more acceptable, look at Ugg Boots!
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
Just looked up on Google what happens.. Apparently this is the festival of sacrifice, so a goat or sheep is bought and the family gather around whilst the animal has it's throat slit and the blood is drained into a hole in the ground. Sounds horrible. If this not cruelty I don't know what is.
Its not cruel at all, They are killed much more humanely than in an abbotoir in the UK, Usually the family will stand around calming and speaking to the animal, the kids will stroke it, then they slit its neck very quickly and hold it for the few seconds it takes to die
Much more humane than the turkeys in the Uk are Killed for everyones Xmas dinner
And by the way My reply to the original Topic was Yes Sell the Old Fur to E bay. Just dont promote Fur as trendy Modern whatever, Watch where you buy those UGGs and other fur from, Faux or not !!
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Originally posted by Scunner
So the upshot of all this caring about animals is that this topic caused the Red Cross in the UK will get the proceeds and good causes in Turkey missed out on money that could do so much. Great work "animal lovers"!
Best of luck Mark (and Jackie & Oscar) - I remember how exciting and scary this final period in the UK before setting off is.
So you dont think the Red Cross is worthy of support too? Because I have great respect for that charity
How much money do you think CCCs, Animal aid or FiG would have made? I for one know that we couldnt have sold for much here
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Originally posted by Scunner
Julie is not being "got at" in my opinion Anne. There is a discussion going on and she is arguing her case like everyone else who chose to make their opinions known. Discussion forum you see ;)
I am more than able to state my case. Yes I love Kids and animals and anybody in need and I will always defend them
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Originally posted by Julesp
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
Just looked up on Google what happens.. Apparently this is the festival of sacrifice, so a goat or sheep is bought and the family gather around whilst the animal has it's throat slit and the blood is drained into a hole in the ground. Sounds horrible. If this not cruelty I don't know what is.
Its not cruel at all, They are killed much more humanely than in an abbotoir in the UK, Usually the family will stand around calming and speaking to the animal, the kids will stroke it, then they slit its neck very quickly and hold it for the few seconds it takes to die
Much more humane than the turkeys in the Uk are Killed for everyones Xmas dinner
I don't think any animal over in this country would be killed by having it's throat cut without being stunned first. We have a Turkey Farm near us. I know the owner and I know people who have worked there at Christmas, when they prepare the Turkeys and Geeese.They are put on a machine and stunned first before they are killed.
I cannot see that having your throat cut while you are still awake and aware of your surroundings is going to be kind and more humane than being stunned first. :( In fact, how could any of us know what terror an animal will go through by having it's throat cut and I certainly would not want my children or grandchildren stroking the animal whilst it was being killed :o
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Have to agree with Jacqui to some degree. Considering the animals in Turkey are hung upside down before their throats are cut I'm can't see how they can feel calm about it.
But I habe seen programmees on the box inn UK where all the animals slaughtered are not treated humanely (chicken farms for one). Not long ago there was a clip showing someone using a chicken as a football (it was still alive) Admittedly the person was sacked when the owner was shown the clip but cruelty does happen in every country.
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If you have ever seen the secret filming of the inside of an abbatoir in the UK you would be absolutely horrified. There is nothing humane about. The transportation of just getting them there was bad enough. Sorry, way off the original topic now, so isnt it time to close this.............
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First Peecee I have never seen an animal in turkey being held upside down before slaughtering for Bayram, Just the family standing around and stroking it before they cut its neck, yes they hang it after its dead to skin it
Jacqui
I lived next door to a Bacon Factory for years, the poor pigs were bought in on a Monday night to be slaughtered on the Tuesday, they squealed all night, as it was one of the main employers in the area at the time I knew many people who worked there and No they are not humanely killed, they are hung by a leg first, go round a conveyor where they should be stunned but they arent because in their panic they throw their heads about, then they are killed
I wont put you off pork pies etc but the bits that are swept off the floor go to make the cheap sausages and the like, anyone who worked there wouldnt eat them ever again
I am definately not a vegetarian, Since living here I have eaten Sheeps head, testicles and intestines, I wear Leather shoes and leather jackets
I had no problem with ribeye selling his mums old fur coats, years ago they were a sign of wealth
My point, and what I do object to, is making fur fashionable to wear again, when people make faux fur fashion wear, somebody will follow with the same designs and styles etc in real fur and the Real Fur Trade at the moment is Horrendous
I agree with Busybee This topic should be locked
Im glad somebody will feel the benefits of ribeyes mums coats, I understand completely how people used to be proud of owning them ,I just hoped that people would have moved on now
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My last word Watch these if you can without being upset
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZjVOiWwDwk
http://action.peta.org.uk/ea-campaign/clientcampaign.do?ea.client.id=5&ea.campaign.id=1819
Because it upsets me so much
Now who will wear fur , Uggs, Trim, anything to do with fashion