Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Joint-Force on December 12, 2011, 11:53:14 AM
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Anyone also noticed that, since about a year, the quality of Efes beer is all but constant. One time good and another time it tastes as if there's some kind of detergent in it.
We switched to Tuborg gold, much more constant quality and lately more and more bars sell it.
Unfortunately many owners that have a contract with Efes are not allowed to sell it.
My advice to Efes: get your standards in order or let the bar owner free in his/her choice.
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Managing Director
Tuborg Turkey
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Make your own! quality control much better!
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Originally posted by screamlead
Make your own! quality control much better!
I asked around and I'm quite a regular visitor of the local establishments, most people I asked agreed with me and quite a few restaurant/bar owners know the problem, some of them switched over to Tuborg and had problems with Efes because of that.
So what's your point.
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Tuborg is worse. cant stand the stuff. Not an efes drinker myself. It is either Guinness or carlsberg.
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A guy i know with bar English's was told by efes he could not sell tuborg because it was in a brown bottle but could sell carlsburg in a green bottle ,if he sold the tuborg they would stop his discount with them ,what a load of morons they are.[^]
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Originally posted by lance
A guy i know with bar English's was told by efes he could not sell tuborg because it was in a brown bottle but could sell carlsburg in a green bottle ,if he sold the tuborg they would stop his discount with them ,what a load of morons they are.[^]
Who is in for a petition to Tuborg to switch over to green bottles?
Me thinks that Efes ain't gonna like that either.:D
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Could be just a bad batch coming out of Effes. Could also be caused by bad sanitation and sterilising of fermenting tanks and or problems with the mashing or boil can all cause 'detergent' or off flavours to come through as could fermenting temps. Some problems also come to light when the vast majority of bars do not wash and dry their glasses properly - i.e. alot of them wash with detergent in cold water and leave to air dry on plastic racking. I have a had a few that are flat as hell with no head at all and no bubbles rising which there should be if a glass has been cleaned properly in the first place.
Hopefully the bar owners have taken up the subject with Effes, meanwhile i'll brew my own.
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Originally posted by Joint-Force
Anyone also noticed that, since about a year, the quality of Efes beer is all but constant. One time good and another time it tastes as if there's some kind of detergent in it.
I noticed much the same but i thought it was sometimes a 'metallic' taste.
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Originally posted by amca
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Originally posted by Joint-Force
Anyone also noticed that, since about a year, the quality of Efes beer is all but constant. One time good and another time it tastes as if there's some kind of detergent in it.
I noticed much the same but i thought it was sometimes a 'metallic' taste.
Metallic taste could be he water quality at the brewery is not constant, I mean sometimes somewhat more iron in it gives a metallic taste. High amounts of iron can have a rather inconvenient side effect too. :-\
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You can also get residual metallic taste from canned beers too. Also as above if its draught beer. Nothing like old 'Burton water' for brewing!
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Originally posted by screamlead
You can also get residual metallic taste from canned beers too. Also as above if its draught beer. Nothing like old 'Burton water' for brewing!
Being a great fan of Belgian beers, I can live with a slight metallic taste, the side effect I was talking about disappears when you get used to the iron, and that means keep on drinking.... NO PROBLEM WITH THAT :D
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Interesting topic about beer in Turkey, in the section "all things that have nothing to do with Turkey"
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Originally posted by Scunner
Interesting topic about beer in Turkey, in the section "all things that have nothing to do with Turkey"
I didn't want to blame all of Turkey for quality issues from one particular brewery. [:o)]
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Good grief it does have something to do with Turkey after all :o
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Maybe it needs a new section as we are discussing Efes and Tuborg - "All things that have nothing to do with decent beer"
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Originally posted by Joint-Force
Anyone also noticed that, since about a year, the quality of Efes beer is all but constant. One time good and another time it tastes as if there's some kind of detergent in it.
We switched to Tuborg gold, much more constant quality and lately more and more bars sell it.
Unfortunately many owners that have a contract with Efes are not allowed to sell it.
My advice to Efes: get your standards in order or let the bar owner free in his/her choice.
Are you talking draft beer or bottled? The former is noted for inconsistencies due to many factors. Bottled however should not vary that much unless there is a major change in the brewing process.
Personally I've never noticed any variation in bottled Efes and I've been known to down a few bottles in my time.
The UK version does taste different however but I put that down to the lack of sunshine and sand in my living room ;)
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Originally posted by Scunner
Maybe it needs a new section as we are discussing Efes and Tuborg - "All things that have nothing to do with decent beer"
Good idea.
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Originally posted by stoop
Are you talking draft beer or bottled? The former is noted for inconsistencies due to many factors. Bottled however should not vary that much unless there is a major change in the brewing process.
Personally I've never noticed any variation in bottled Efes and I've been known to down a few bottles in my time.
The UK version does taste different however but I put that down to the lack of sunshine and sand in my living room ;)
I was talking about bottled beer. Last sunday for instance I was at the sunday market and visited a cafe later on. At our table two people sent back their bottle because the beer (Efes) tasted bad, we weren't even talking about the issue beforehand. The landlord offered a new bottle, so he solved the problem but he had to admit that this happens quite often.
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Just maybe they are old bottles of Efes? On doing some checking it seems Efes is pasteurised for a shorter period of time beer and as such only has a 6 month shelf life. Check this out:
http://tees.co.uk/news/tees-launch-new-bottled-efes-draught
Far be it from me to suggest anything dodgy but maybe some bar owners try and pass off out of date Efes and change it for new stock when they get found out.
It won't be the first time a bar owner/landlord has tried to get rid of old stock or stock bought cheap because it only had a very short shelf life left.
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Originally posted by stoop
Just maybe they are old bottles of Efes? On doing some checking it seems Efes is pasteurised for a shorter period of time beer and as such only has a 6 month shelf life. Check this out:
http://tees.co.uk/news/tees-launch-new-bottled-efes-draught
Far be it from me to suggest anything dodgy but maybe some bar owners try and pass off out of date Efes and change it for new stock when they get found out.
It won't be the first time a bar owner/landlord has tried to get rid of old stock or stock bought cheap because it only had a very short shelf life left.
The beer we had was not out of date, I always check if the taste is disappointing.
But now for something completely different, the article you link to handles about draught beer in a bottle. The mere thought of draught beer from a bottle makes me laugh so hard that I am not able to drink it. I'm not even going to try it it's ridiculous!
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But now for something completely different, the article you link to handles about draught beer in a bottle. The mere thought of draught beer from a bottle makes me laugh so hard that I am not able to drink it. I'm not even going to try it it's ridiculous!
Elizabeth's thoughts about draught beer from a bottle:
must be like: Fresh fish from a tin can
must be like: Fresh vegetables from a jar
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I take it you are not familiar with Miller Draft or any of the other American Draft bottled beers then. Shame - you are missing out on some good bottled beers.
I also understand Guinness has recently replaced the widget system from their bottled "draught" beer with a coating of cellulose fibers on the inside of the bottle. Statements indicate a new development in bottling technology enables the mixture of nitrogen and carbon dioxide to be present in the beer without using a widget, making it as Guinness says, "more drinkable" from the bottle.
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No I agree with Mrs Joint-Force on this one stoop - draught comes out of a tap, never out of a bottle or can. Miller in bottles is a nice beer, but not draught, no matter what name they put on the label ;)
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Perhaps its the same bar/rest on the beach that when people leave bottles of beer when they leave or if they get to warm the waiters top them up put top back on into fridge and resell.[:(!]
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Originally posted by lance
Perhaps its the same bar/rest on the beach that when people leave bottles of beer when they leave or if they get to warm the waiters top them up put top back on into fridge and resell.[:(!]
In the 12 years that I live here this never happened to me, but I'm curious to know what bar/rest you mean.[?]
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Originally posted by lance
A guy i know with bar English's was told by efes he could not sell tuborg because it was in a brown bottle but could sell carlsburg in a green bottle ,if he sold the tuborg they would stop his discount with them ,what a load of morons they are.[^]
Its half correct, to get a good price some of the bars will have signed a contract to only buy beer from the Efes Distributor, who also sells Carlsberg and some other beers, but not Tuborg, so they cant buy Tuborg,
I am able to get a list of bars that do sell Tuborg if anyone wants though
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You are right about the contract, I'm interrested in the list. Maybe I can add some adresses.
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I am spending much of today removing quotes - you do not need to quote the person directly above you - what they wrote is...erm...directly above you.
I have never had any issues with variable quality of Efes. I have always found it to be consistently crap.
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Originally posted by Joint-Force
You are right about the contract, I'm interrested in the list. Maybe I can add some adresses.
As in my post about Tops beer, my boyfriend, Yetis is a distributer here for Tuborg beer, for that reason I can ask him for a list of all the bars and restaurants that he supplies
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Anyone got a list of any bars selling the draught Guinness anywhere in Fethiye?
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Its not available anywhere in Mugla. Yet, just Ankara Istanbul and Izmir
But It may be available in 2012. but they are still in talks
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Originally posted by Julesp
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Originally posted by Joint-Force
You are right about the contract, I'm interrested in the list. Maybe I can add some adresses.
As in my post about Tops beer, my boyfriend, Yetis is a distributer here for Tuborg beer, for that reason I can ask him for a list of all the bars and restaurants that he supplies
I stand corrected The only place in Fethiye region he supplies with Tuborg is Kasara Bar Fethiye, which is part of his company, and they are selling it at a very good price at the moment because to advertise and promote it, he supplies mostly to Dalaman Ortaca Koygeciz region Not Fethiye!
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Forgive me BUT...............
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You too
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I'm afraid so Julesp:(
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Read and understand what the term 'Draught beer' actually means:
History of draught
Until Joseph Bramah patented the beer engine in 1785, beer was served directly from the barrel and carried to the customer. The Old English word for carry was dragen which developed into a series of related words, including drag, draw, and draught. By extension, the word for carrying or drawing a beer came to mean the serving of the beer and, in some senses, the act of drinking, or a drink of beer itself, regardless of serving method. By the time Bramah's beer pumps became popular, the use of the word draught to mean the act of serving beer was well established and transferred easily to beer served via the hand pumps.
In 1691, an article in the London Gazette mentioned John Lofting, who held a patent for a fire engine: "The said patentee has also projected a very useful engine for starting of beer, and other liquors which will draw from 20 to 30 barrels an hour, which are completely fixed with brass joints and screws at reasonable rates".
In the early 20th century, serving draught beer from pressurised containers began. Artificial carbonation was introduced in the United Kingdom in 1936, with Watney's experimental pasteurised beer Red Barrel. Though this method of serving beer did not take hold in the U.K. until the late 1950s, it did become the favoured method in the rest of Europe, where it is known by such terms as en pression. The method of serving beer under pressure then spread to the rest of the world; by the early 1970s, draught beer was almost exclusively beer served under pressure.
In Britain, the Campaign for Real Ale was founded in 1971 to protect unpressurised beer. The group devised the term real ale to differentiate between beer served from the cask and beer served under pressure. The term real ale has since been expanded to include bottle-conditioned beer.
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Originally posted by stoop
Read and understand what the term 'Draught beer' actually means:
Sure. Can you paste the definition from somewhere that can be relied upon, or just from Wikipedia!
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Take it whichever way you want- or explain it as you see it.
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Bottom line is - if you take a drink and you like it - it doesn't matter how it was brewed or presented.
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This has to be the most boring and pointless post I have read on here for some time. Then it has been quite on the forum lately and I dont drink beer!!:(
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There have been more boring topics than this. But I deleted them all :D
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@mercury
Ok save our souls, exicte us with some mindboggling exuberate news.
Or were you so bored that you had to bore the world with reacting at boredom itself?[xx(]
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hoi. you leave Anne alone, shes a great dancer without needing a beer, i can vouch for that. ;) :)
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I am normally too busy getting a life and helping kids in this area but as I said I dont drink beer so maybe I dont understand the fascination or obsession with taste and the price of it. Each to his own.
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No offence was meant by me and I'm sure she meant no offence either, reading between the lines is apparantly quite an elaborate thing to do.[:o)]
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It's always nice to meet an enlightened spirit. ;)
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Is there a difference in the price???: :): :):D:D ;) ;)
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Enlightened spirits cost more because of the new Enlightenment Tax on alcohol Baz
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No matter how high the price, you always have to pay THE PRICE
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Anyway as someone once said "You can never buy beer, only rent it!":D
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Ah rent, finally someone makes sense, now I know why I have to Pay deposit.[^]