Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Turkey Discussion Forum (Not Calis specifically) => Topic started by: stoop on February 27, 2012, 12:48:47 PM
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A Turkish school principal has suggested that all newborns should be genetically scanned and that those who could prove harmful to the country should be "eliminated."
"Children should be analyzed immediately after birth. If they are to become harmful to this country, to this nation, then they should be eliminated before they can walk,"
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/kill-potentially-harmful-kids-before-they-can-walk-turkish-principal-says-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=14254&NewsCatID=341#.T0tkHAs5y7g.facebook
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This is the kind of insane comment that the EU doubters will thrive on, obviously a complete nutcase :o[:(!]:-\
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Read this in the Daily Zaman the other day and was horrified!Wonder if this would apply to his own children if they were deemed 'harmful to this country'?On saying that I worry if he has children and is subjecting them to his warped philosophies.Not the sort of man who should be allowed to be in charge of anything remotely connected to the education system in this or any other country.
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Someone will have to find a solution to the rapidly rising population of people who live on benefits and produce offspring at an alarming rate in the UK. In the past the 'survival of the fittest' has produced the dynamics for progress; the watered-down population that we are producing is likely to implode sooner or later. Culling is a bit extreme; I am in favour of genetic engineering.
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Grizabella
I agree with the sentiments expressed in your post entirely.
I am even more horrified at the content of the post by Maximumtom. "Culling a bit extreme" What? Just a BIT extreme?
"Genetic Engineering"?
Sounds more like a post from Joseph Mengele, not a member of this forum. How very repulsive.
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Maximumtom,are you for real???????Or are you just one of these people who thinks it's clever making such a crass statement just to get a reaction?Either way you need to get some serious counselling!
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So am I Tom[:(!] lets start with anyone that was 63 years of age in 2009 with the name of Tom, what do think of that idea [:o)] well you have to start somewhere eh! 8)
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Farmer, if we can find the genes that make people murderers etc and change them into something good, then I think that it is worth looking into. As abortion is a way of getting rid of unwanted offspring, is this also not a form of culling ? Are you against abortion too ? Remember, before you take the moral highground and make personal comments. that we all make reprehensible moral choices in order to maintain our living standards. For example if you drive a car, you are sanctioning the tradeoff between the number of people who get killed on the roads and getting from A to B in a time that suits you. If we all drove at 4mph there would be no road deaths. Again, look at how many people are killed in our quest for oil. The issue is complex and deserves far more thought than your trite response.
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If we can find the genes that make people psychotic idiots etc.and change them into something good,then I think that is something worth looking into. Sadly it seems that no amount of research will be able to establish this in the forseeable future.
Your question of my views on abortion is irrelevant to the point of this topic.
I have son who is epileptic. The diagnosis was not made at birth, but when he was some 20 odd years of age. Would you then have had him "Culled"?
Now just tell me what reprehensible choices I make to maintain my living standards.
You do not know me or my lifestyle.
You state I assume the moral high ground. You demonstrate the position of the Cesspit of Humanity.
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Farmer, you continue with abuse. I disagree that your views on abortion are irrelevant. You seem to be firmly against culling and yet back out of actually giving your position on what many see as a form of culling. You also make no comment about the other moral issues I raised. Are you afraid to look deeply into your soul ? As for your son, I said in my original post that I thought that culling was a bit extreme, so why you should ask if I wanted to have your son culled I am at a loss to understand. However, if we had found a way to eliminate epilepsy through genetic screening at birth, would you have denied the cure to your son ? I do not understand the hysteria that the idea of genetic engineering produces. People regularly take medicines that alter the chemical balance of their bodies and brains; with genetic engineering, we are trying to understand and prevent some of the problems and obviate the need for these medecines.
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Originally posted by maximumtom
Someone will have to find a solution to the rapidly rising population of people who live on benefits and produce offspring at an alarming rate in the UK. In the past the 'survival of the fittest' has produced the dynamics for progress; the watered-down population that we are producing is likely to implode sooner or later. Culling is a bit extreme; I am in favour of genetic engineering.
The answer is called "Education and Employment" solved by responsible governments, corporations, businesses and individuals actively participating in creating and supporting an environment that encourages learning, initiatve and job creation.
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Nichola, thank you for your post. I agree with what you say but how do we arrive at this utopia ? We have to create a fair environment that the 'under-class'( call it what you will) can actually attain. To do this we have to educate the rest of the population that greed is not socially acceptable. When I hear people on an excellent income whingeing about 50% tax, I see greed raising its ugly head. In the mid 60s, when I was studying 'A' level economics, there were many more tax bands, with the top band being 19s 11d in the £1 ( to you youngsters, that is 99.5p in the £1). There was a differential between the top and bottom earners, but not the obscene gap that we see today. It was seen then that redistribution of wealth was necessary to attain a cohesive society. Today , that redistribution has been much watered down and ( worse still) wage differentials have rocketed and this has led to a dichotomy in our society. To me, there is no good reason why some people get hundreds of pounds an hour whilst others are on the minimum wage of just over £6. Some people are lucky to be born with special skills, others are not so lucky. If each person does their best during the day I say they should get the same. Sadly, people say " My skills are worth more than his skills". I could go on at length, but will stop now.
So, Nichola, you are right about education but I believe that it is 'the rich' that we need to educate first.
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I couldn't agree more with everything you have said in the above post.
How is this utopia achieved? Well call me naive (as I have been before) but the people will in the end force change on this totally corrupt system where economic and social justice has no place.
I would highly recommend the film Inside Job to anyone who thinks the system we have now works!
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I am sorry this thread has gone 'Off Topic'!
Does this principal have enough medical knowledge to say how the 'Newborn' could be harmful to 'Society'? If not who would decide?
I and I presume many others have refrained from commenting as they are as APPALED as me!
There is nobody perfect in this world and 'He who casts the first stone'!!
The film 'Soylent Green' comes to mind! [:(!][:(!][:(!]
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There may be hundreds of people born with a gene that makes them into murderers I dont know I am not clever enought to comment on that however what is wrong with the society in the UK is that from an early age no one dares to say NO to their kids any more. There is little or no discipline in the home. Children are allowed to run riot in shops etc. and the schools are not allowed to discipline the kids anymore. The education standards have dropped dramatically and some people because of this will never find work and I am afraid that there are people now who will never work as they are unemployable. Harsh but true. This has been down to succesive governments and the do gooders that says dont smack your child. I dont believe that children are born bad. It is the life that they are born into which dictates this. Apart from the odd few nut cases. !!!
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Well said mercury :)