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Calis Beach Forum => Calis Bar and Restaurant Questions and Discussions => Topic started by: Rimms on May 26, 2012, 12:38:56 PM

Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Rimms on May 26, 2012, 12:38:56 PM
For years now, long before anyone ever really ventured down to the far end of the beach, Carol & Guven have worked hard to build their business and attract customers. They were one of the first beach restaurants to go to the expense and trouble of providing sun beds on the beach which they offered free of charge.

Now that they have built up a loyal clientele, the council have come along and banned them from putting beds on the beach, plonked a load of their own for which they will charge you 15 lira for the use of 2 beds and one brolly. Carol and Guven have now bought a load of bean bag loungers for the beach and have arranged beds on their restaurant platform on the edge of the beach so you can still sunbathe as before.

Earlier we witnessed a council collector come along to Guvens and attempt to order people off the beach who were not sat on his beds, needless to say he was sent away rather quickly, especially when a guy of about 18 stone threatened to give him a smack.

Tourist numbers are dreadfull so far this year, is this the way to build those numbers? I don't think so.

Please continue to support Guven & Carol but avoid using the council beds if you can.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Highlander on May 26, 2012, 12:40:58 PM
What a blood disgrace ! (pardon my French)[:(!]

Will certainly do anything we can to help support two of the nicest, hard working people you could hope to meet. :)
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: mercury on May 26, 2012, 13:00:15 PM
Thats our days out at Sands Beach bar finished then. The girls on the committeee spend some of their girls days out there and all my friends love our "chill out days there". Another nail in the coffin.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Beep on May 26, 2012, 13:33:19 PM
This year the local authorities seem intent on self destruction - it's a total disgrace :( and I would sincerely hope that nobody uses these "official" beds but that EVERYBODY continues to support Carol and Guven's restaurant - good luck guys
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Clioman2 on May 26, 2012, 13:47:52 PM
we spent some very pleasant days at Guvens last year and will be out for a total of 5 weeks this year. Over the years, we first stayed in Calis in 1996, we have used the council sunbeds for a lot of each holiday. Last year it all changed with the regular 'beach master' disappearing and a new crew taking over 'in the interests of the turtles'; the prices shot up & off we went to Guvens. We'll be back out there in less than 2 weeks and will NOT go near the council beds....you know, the ones outside all those restaurants on the front! We'll be spreading the word at our hotel too so the Orient, Nil and all the rest might feel the backlash from regular Calis holidaymakers.
WE will decide where to invest our holiday cash, not the local Gestapo. The locals need to remember that we Brits have come to Calis because we like a friendly resort, not one that dictates where we must sit & spend our hard-earned cash.
This really is a great shame.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on May 26, 2012, 14:03:33 PM
Also don't forget that the local belediyes do not need to go scratching around looking for every opportunity to get money - the local councils are very wealthy indeed by Turkish standards. Such a shame they seem to want to throttle the area and squeeze every last kurus they can.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: stoop on May 26, 2012, 14:35:56 PM
I hope they get what they deserve and everyone boycotts the council beds!

Carole and Guven have built up a lovely place and the council should not be allowed to take advantage of their customers like this.

If this moves up the coast to Koca Calis beach bars then there will be hell to play! Hopefully Ciftlik council have more sense.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: busybee on May 26, 2012, 15:10:46 PM
Why will it affect the Sands Bar Anne, thats quite a bit further away then Guvens and probably comes under Ciftlik.  Every year between the Durnek and the Council they seem to want to sabotage the the torurist industry.........Hopefully the tourists will not pay this ridiculous fee and as usual plan z will fizzle out.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Rimms on May 26, 2012, 16:22:04 PM
The Fethiye council beds seem to stop and go no further than Guvens. If they are imposing this restriction on Carol  & Guven then surely it follows that the same should apply to the Saat? Somehow I don't think it will.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on May 26, 2012, 16:25:24 PM
Fethiye belediye ends somewhere around there George - Sands etc in Koca Calis will be under Ciftlik belediye.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on May 26, 2012, 16:28:20 PM
But to answer your question...Sat restaurant are within the same belediye area as Guvens. So Sat can expect the same soon? Yes in theory, but as you say, unlikely...
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Toky on May 26, 2012, 18:00:31 PM
Gutted to hear this happening @ Guvens. We love it along there and have been lucky to have beaten the council's restrictions this year and spent lots of time there earlier this month.
:D
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Marggie on May 26, 2012, 18:16:23 PM
More aptly named Belemafia!!!!!
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on May 26, 2012, 18:26:37 PM
:D

Or Belecoiningitin
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: mercury on May 26, 2012, 20:36:05 PM
Didnt know Sands and the others came under Ciflik council. Lets hope this doesnt spread then.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: turkeysue on May 26, 2012, 23:46:01 PM
WHAT on earth is going on...it beggars believe..i totally agree with all the comments..guvens is our fave place..i really hope(ha ha)the council takes away their rotten beds..we WILL not pay them a penny..i feel for carole and guven they work so hard...lets hope the council have a change of heart..mind you im not holding my breath..:-\:-\ :o: :)
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: stoop on May 27, 2012, 09:14:41 AM
Mercury,

If you walk towards Sands and look at the bins you will see that somewhere around the Surf Cafe they change to Ciftlik Council ones. Many people think Koca Calis starts around Guven's place but they are under Fethiye Council not Ciftlik. As far as I am aware Koca Calis is part of Ciftlik not Calis beach/Fethiye.

I could be totally wrong though as I don't live there - it's just the impression I've got over the last 8 years.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on May 27, 2012, 10:44:24 AM
Well if you are, that's two of us  :)
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: mac2010 on May 28, 2012, 08:44:12 AM
I think the sat restuarant paid to lease the once dirty eyesore at the end of the beach and turned it into a haven and continue to improve it every year.So why should the sunbeds be taken over by the local authorities? Not saying its right what they are doing but do the restaurants have the right to take over a section of the public beach? Could we open a bar in Devon or anywhere and put sunbeds on the beach and then find it strange when the council come along and put their own beds out and tidy the beach daily and charge for them.This is what they should have done years ago.Free sunbeds- Free drinks- free transferes, what more do we want for nothing.Welcome to the world of a tourist destinations.Please buy a beer in Rhodes or pay for a meal and then compare the so called expensive prices of calis.But will say we always got a free drink at the end of the evening meal but paid double sometimes treble for it.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: stoop on May 28, 2012, 09:39:54 AM
mac2010 - you can't have it all ways! Your first line is correct -some areas of the beach were a mess and the local bars deserve credit for what they have done. OK they expect you to buy a beer or two in order to use the beds/toilets but why not? They are businesses after all.

Why should the council take advantage? Well because they can I guess - and they 'own' the beach! The only thing we as holidaymakers can do is boycott the beds and make sure they get the message.

Best thing is - wherever you go on holiday - the locals hardly ever pay for beds. They usually just take their own or a towel and sit on the beach - which although run by the council I don't think they would have much joy trying to stop people using them.

Maybe the bars could just loan you a bed when you arrive and not have them on the beach ready for customers. That way the customer turns up and in effect carries his own bed onto the beach. No charge is being made so is any law being broken? Problem I see with that is the backlash that might happen - for example when the next check is done by the gestapo ;-) It might be more trouble than it's worth for the bars.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: tonye1960 on May 28, 2012, 10:12:27 AM
Ok sorry for my ignorance, but I will be coming to Calis for the first time this August. Just reading about the bars with their own beds, how does this work? Are you expected to by a drink straight away, or can you just chill and then enjoy acouple of drinks over the course of the day? any help would be appreciated.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Rimms on May 28, 2012, 10:35:15 AM
None of the bars have their own beds anymore so you can pay the council collector for using the bed then die from dehydration if you choose. When bars did offer free beds, it was just etiquette to buy a drink but there was no pressure to do so as soon as you arrive.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on May 28, 2012, 11:00:09 AM
Since when did the Belediye own the beach??!!

Just get a couple of lilos and use them. Or do what I do, don't sunbathe. Ever.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: stoop on May 28, 2012, 13:30:18 PM
I think local councils usually own the land that the sand is on ( the beach). However they rarely stop people from using them. Scarborough, for example, stop dog owners using the beaches, when they are walking their dogs, in the summer months. They provide beds to hire but do not mind you taking your own.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Cavfan on May 28, 2012, 17:54:41 PM
The price for sunbeds on beaches all over europe is increasing. In Benidorm for example a bed is 4 euros as is a brolly. Add that up over 14 days for 2 of you and its a hefty element of your budget. Unless youre Scunner and dont sunbathe of course! however - the beach there is spotless!! SImilarly in Ibiza the cost of beds and umbrellas is expensive and can be up to 10euros, but beaches are kept clean there is invariably a beach to bar service provided and the bed people will go out of their way to find you beds and position them as you would want them. Often the beds have thick mattresses provided.
The beds and umbrellas in Calis have been expensive and rubbish, for a while and if I thought that the beldiye were reinvesting the money into the beach as in other popular tourist resorts I would pay without question however the evidence to date would suggest otherwise. There needs to be a delegation from the council to Spain or somewhere in europe to do some 'benchmarking' as to how other destinations do it as they've just not got it right yet.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: tonye1960 on May 28, 2012, 22:35:24 PM
So am   I  right in thinking   the  surf cafe still  have   beds
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Rimms on May 29, 2012, 06:12:52 AM
Yes because they fall under Ciflik council control.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: stoop on May 29, 2012, 07:42:43 AM
It's gonna be busy up our end this summer ;-)
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: tinkerman on May 29, 2012, 07:58:44 AM
Remember when we were kids and we used to lie on a towel, bring back the towel thats what I say! 8)
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: mercury on May 29, 2012, 08:25:10 AM
Thats before we all had "backs". and who would want to lay on that sand?
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: busybee on May 29, 2012, 21:11:57 PM
I am sure the chief at Ciftlik is soon gonna cotton on and realise he is loosing out, he could also rent you out a nice bar for the day :D : :): :): :)
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: raygans on May 31, 2012, 20:28:47 PM
We love going to Guvens,always good food and service with a smile,and Carol used to live around the corner from us.We will def be giving the council beds a miss but it wont stop us going to Guvens.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: cheerful on June 01, 2012, 18:43:32 PM
When will they learn!! Carole and Guven are the lovliest couple , they always make you welcome. Does the council not realise how they have improved that end of the beach. I wonder what would happen if you took you own sun lounger and put it on the beach by Guvens. I am at Seaside, pay my dues to the council, might give it a try.Interesting to see if they go to Sunset! Don't think so. Difference???
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: cheerful on June 01, 2012, 18:50:11 PM
Sorry I am so furious, don't they realise Carole and Guven may attract less customers (probably stay by the pool), so therefore less takings, less money for the tax or council. I wonder what they are doing about the Surf Cafe? Is it a different council?
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on June 01, 2012, 18:53:17 PM
The point is, if the local councils looked after the beach there would have been no need for the bars to do any improvements to it. Now they see an opportunity to make more money they take over.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: amca on June 02, 2012, 15:21:51 PM
Just back fro Guven's.
No one using the council beds but several using mats provided by Guven.
I have my doubts about how long and how successful the boycott will be but
I was pleasantly surprised at the solidarity on show today.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Carefreecaz on June 02, 2012, 23:29:56 PM
Ok I would like to qualify a few things here. I have not been on the forum for a while and I think I should correct a few things. It is not the council who have taken the beach it's the Government, who nobody can oppose. Guven's Restaurant is operating as normal and is providing mattresses or cushions and umbrellas to their customers as normal. If customers want a bed they have to pay for it. We will always do our utmost to make your experience a great one and that will not stop. We do not want any problems with the Government - just look at the  Yakamos and bogazici. Spouting got them demolished ! Please STOP!!!
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Carefreecaz on June 02, 2012, 23:33:45 PM
But we would like to also thank you for all your support xxxx
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Scunner on June 02, 2012, 23:34:25 PM
Spouting? People in this topic weren't "spouting", they were supporting you shoulder to shoulder. You have just thrown their solidarity straight back in their face. Great post Carole.
Title: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: amca on June 04, 2012, 16:08:04 PM
If it is a government ruling then why are the beds provided by and the money collected by belediye?
Just asking.
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: june on June 05, 2012, 19:55:55 PM
They just shoot themselves in the foot ALL the time......greed and jealousy always been the same .....I  feel for Guvens as they have worked a long time at getting it right and it's crap that they are just dictated to by an idiotic council.........

The prices of sun beds might be going up at most beach destinations but the turks need to look at the cost of getting to Turkey compared to many other destinations.....before long its going to to a no go zone......idiots.....
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: amca on June 07, 2012, 09:09:39 AM
I am sure the chief at Ciftlik is soon gonna cotton on and realise he is loosing out, he could also rent you out a nice bar for the day:D: :): :): :)

Ciftlik council is one of several which are going to subsumed into Fethiye and so, yes, it is only a matter of time before the whole beach is pay as you go.
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: stoop on June 07, 2012, 09:52:02 AM
I guess it's only what happens all over the world really. Unless the beach is private then it's the councils that rake in the profit from the sun-bed hire. We go to the Algarve next week and will pay about 5 euros each per day for a sun-bed and not really complain.

One other option of course would be for the council to lease out the bit of beach near each bar that want's to provide beds. This would have to be recouped though by either charging for the beds or putting the prices of food and drink up.

I think what Carole was trying to say was that if people protest too much then the government might just look a little deeper into the beach bars (like the did in Marmaris) and knock lots of them down. Not a good result for any of us!
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: stoop on June 07, 2012, 09:53:28 AM
I am sure the chief at Ciftlik is soon gonna cotton on and realise he is loosing out, he could also rent you out a nice bar for the day:D: :): :): :)

Ciftlik council is one of several which are going to subsumed into Fethiye and so, yes, it is only a matter of time before the whole beach is pay as you go.

I think he owns one of the bars so that should be interesting  :)
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Highlander on June 14, 2012, 23:01:41 PM
Good news - I hear Guven has his beds and umbrellas back :D
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: turkeysue on June 15, 2012, 19:59:56 PM
WOW saddow that i am but highlander has just made my day....beds are back..brilliant news..so very pleased for carole and guven  ;D  :)
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: amca on June 15, 2012, 21:42:05 PM
Good news - I hear Guven has his beds and umbrellas back :D

Yes. I was there today and the beach was busy.
I think he has come to some financial arrangement with the council.
Unfortunately, Efes is 150 lira a bottle.
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Cennet on June 17, 2012, 14:07:50 PM
Hi People

Where on the front is Guvens

Thanks
Ray
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Highlander on June 17, 2012, 14:10:32 PM
I think it's features in the Restaurant Guide  ;)
Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Merlin on June 17, 2012, 18:44:42 PM
Good news - I hear Guven has his beds and umbrellas back :D

Yes. I was there today and the beach was busy.
I think he has come to some financial arrangement with the council.
Unfortunately, Efes is 150 lira a bottle.

Take your own ;-)

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Title: Re: Boycot the Sunbeds at Guvens
Post by: Anne on June 17, 2012, 20:27:16 PM
Walk to the end of the prom (letoon end) then take the little lane that leads off to the left just as the prom turns. You'll find Guvens a few places along.