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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: cheers on September 12, 2012, 13:44:42 PM
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It has taken 23 years for the truth to come out on what happened that day but it has finally. Now we have the truth the families deserve Justice!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19543964
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Just goes to show what can be achieved when people are determined enough and never give up.
Glad to see there has finally been an apology form the government in parliament too; not before time!
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Justice? the police have not even apologised. >:(
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The police have all had 23 years of unblemished careers due to this massive cover up - some very successful indeed since that day - whereas they should have been fired and tarnished for life, just like they tried to do to those fans and their suffering families.
23 years to admit what we all knew all along. That cockroach Kelvin MacKenzie still refused to apologise for printing the story of lies less than a year ago - his apology today is typical of the man, worthless.
YNWA - made up for my Liverpool mates. Took too long but welcome.
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What's come out today has only confirmed what many have thought all along, and as other contributors have said there is still some way to go before there has been justice.
Scunner's spot on about Sun Editor Kelvin McKenzie, still amazes me today that so many football fans continue to buy that rag >:(
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At last it goes some way towards justice for those killed and their families who have had to wait for 23 long years for the truth to emerge. Disgraceful that police and others in authority have got away with it for all this time.
I can clearly remember watching the horror of it all on television that day. Awful, awful day.
My heart goes out to all those who lost loved ones that day.
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The question is, have they got away with it "all this time" Marina, or have they got away with it. In other words, will action be taken against these despicable liars and schemers now, 23 years on?
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I would like to think that for the families to receive the full justice they've fought for all these years then yes, action will take place. However, I have my doubts. Where do they start? David Duckenfield was the police officer in charge that day and was responsible for the lives of those 96 people. Certainly start with him and work their way down the ranks. Prosecute everyone who altered statements to make it look like it was the Liverpool supporters who were to blame and no blame attached to the police.
I don't know how these people have lived with this on their conscience all these years but no, I hope they don't now 'get away with it' any longer.
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I can understand that most of the Country are fed up with Liverpool 'going on' about the 96 football fans who all died an accidental death, all at the same time at Hillsborough, but please read the points below reported back by the independent panel who examined in fine detail 400,000 documents and reports to reach their conclusion :
The report finds 164 statements were "significantly amended" and 116 "removed negative comments" about policing operation
The panel finds that a total of 41 people out of 96 "had the potential to be saved" beyond the 1515 time determined by the original inquest
The report finds flaws in the police operation and new evidence that the police carried out checks on those who had died in order to "impugn their reputations"
David Crompton, chief constable of South Yorkshire Police, "profoundly apologises" to both the families of the 96 Hillsborough victims and Liverpool fans in general
The prime minister makes a "proper apology" to the families of those that have died. "I am profoundly sorry," he says
Former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie, who wrote the headline The Truth, has offered his "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool"
NOW WE KNOW THE TRUTH - YNWA
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Sorry, I started a similar thread without seeing this one, maybe the mod can incorporate my reply here
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As requested Rimms...
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THE TRUTH
I will bet the Sun run a similar headline tomorrow ?
With the underlying text that they were 'duped' by lying coppers. It's a pity they didn't balance those lies with statements from thousands of decent fans who while fighting for their lives were being pushed back into the pens by the police.
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THE TRUTH
I will bet the Sun run a similar headline tomorrow ?
With the underlying text that they were 'duped' by lying coppers. It's a pity they didn't balance those lies with statements from thousands of decent fans who while fighting for their lives were being pushed back into the pens by the police.
That would be the same 'lying coppers' who over the years have done such a magnificent job for the Sun and it's News International sister paper the News of the Screws, in either supplying information on ongoing investigations, or covering up and denying News International's involvement in bugging people's phones, and indeed making corruption payments to the same sort of lying and corrupt coppers.
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Liverpool is NOT a happy place to be tonight! We just have a great sense of relief that the TRUTH is now out!
One thing we are all asking ourselves is how 'Sir' Norman Bettison became Chief Constable of Liverpool after his part in the cover up???
As for the 'Scum' paper I personally think it will just be a pic of Cam saying Sorry on their front page tomorrow! There again as the Hillsborough families said .... McKenzie's apology is too little and has come too late!!!!
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Although Evertonians we are as happy as the Liverpudians of this City that the truth is finally out there. We abhor the government of the time who obviously allowed the authorities to trick and mis inform the country that the people of Liverpool were drunks who tried to get into a match without tickets. This is the same government that tried to destroy Liverpool. we now demand that those people at whatever level of authority are brought to task, along with the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire who said the same on the television this evening.
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As some of you know I am in the Justice group, and have been to the vigil tonight, I can only speak for my own feelings and say I feel no sense of triumph today, relief,yes, and other mixed emotions, I already knew what some of the findings would disclose, but when you are up close and personal with some of the survivors it beggars belief, it really does, for 23 years we have cried together, laughed together and stood side by side and fought the authorities together, and its been the comments like, move on, why dont we forget it, that have hurt as much as the accusations of robbing the dead , looking for compensation etc, this has never been about compensation, although the south Yorkshire police have been paid out millions for the disaster, I was even dreading reading a negative comment on here, thankfully, there is none, but I am sure this will lead to prosecutions being made, those responsible will be made accountable, Bettison should be called in, but I personally would love to see McKenzie squirm like the worm he is, (oops, long post for me)
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We feel your pain Laffa. Not one person reading the findings of today could post a negative comment on here or anywhere else! Unfortunately McKenzie never squirmed and neither will he! Same old .... It wasn't my fault, someone told me?
These words said it all .... Too little, too late!!!!
I for one wouldn't say R.I.P The Sun!!!!!!!
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I didn't know you were in the Justice group Laffa. WOW! really proud of you and all who have fought for the truth all these years.
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And low and behold, the headline in today's Scum ( Sorry, Sun )
THE REAL TRUTH
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Laffa, I'm sure yesterday was very difficult emotionally. Not just for the families of the 96 and people like yourselves who have fought for getting justice for them, but for the City of Liverpool as a whole.
I am pleased that you have at last got the truth of what happened on that terrible day, now hope that you get the justice they deserve and people responsible are prosecuted and held to account.
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Agree with you cheers. The sense of relief here in Liverpool is palpable, now that the truth is out there, but the hurt and betrayal of the authorities who KNEW what had happened and did not speak out will never go away. The fact that 41 people could have possibly have been saved is a fact that is hard to bear. Liverpool will never forget the 96.
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Just to say Newsnight tonight will be worth watching, think it is dealing about the question of prosecutions,
Rimms, exactly what we expected from the s*n today, you were right. and thank you all for your comments, this could have happened to any football club, but maybe not every club would have still been fighting for nearly a quarter of a century, and for that reason I am so proud, I stood next to a survivor last night, a big man reduced to tears by the fact he had been vindicated from the slurs he has lived with for all these years, and was thinking of him going to work this morning with his head held higher than its been in a long time, it means so much.
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An uplifting post Laffa. Still a long fight ahead but justice must be done I hope.
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I really hope others on here understand the feelings we Scouser,s have. I went from a feeling of dread prior to the release of the report, to elation (hope you understand the context) when it was confirmed what we all knew on Merseyside where most people either know someone who was there on the day or actually attended the match themselves, that the police were nothing but a bunch of liars, My emotion has now turned to anger, when more than 40 people could have survived this disaster if the emergency services had reacted to a catastrophe rather than a bunch of drunk Scouse hooigans.
Why should those families accept a verdict of "Accidental Death" on their death certificate? If it was my son or daughter, I would not accept that those people with a 'duty of care' were exhonorated by this statement.
I'm a big fan of the series "Who Do You Think You Are?" and in 200 years when people will trace their ancestry, I want THE TRUTH to be registered against those 96.
I hope you understand. THE FIGHT GOES ON.
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Rimms, I can only speak for myself but unless you've lived in Liverpool, or come from there originally, or have family or friends who live there I don't think the rest of us can completely understand what you've all gone through in the last 23 years. We think we can, but to be part of that community and to have had to live with the truth being hidden from you and fought for it without ever giving up must have been heartbreaking at times and bloody hard emotionally.
Laffa made a point in her post which made me think, about the chap who broke down in tears after after being vindicated now and no longer has to live with the slurs. This is another side which we, who are not immediately involved, sometimes forget. As well as the 96 who died, and their families, there are the thousands of other supporters who were there and had to witness their friends being killed in front of them. Not only that but had to pull bodies out of the pen and carry them across the pitch on makeshift stretchers.
I'm so pleased for you all the the truth, shocking as it is, has now come out. I understand the need to fight on and hope everyone involved in the lying and cover ups is brought to justice.
I hope I would have found the strength to fight for so long for the truth if one of my family had been involved.
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i work with a lady who lost her son and have heard all the details of what happened on the day from her and i am made up that she has justice for her son
she as been haunted by what happened as so are the other families and i wish i was at work to show her how i feel aqbout the outcome