Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Hotels, Private Rentals in Calis - Questions and Information => Topic started by: Highlander on September 28, 2012, 18:13:52 PM
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I was interested in johntaylor49's post in the Book Hotels thread and would be interested on members views on the comparison of renting an Apartment as opposed to staying at an hotel.
Taking johntaylor49's price of an all inclusive fortnight = a total of £ 3,000.00 for 4 people
The equivalent cost of Renting an apartment might be £ 1,830.00 (Rental £ 560, flights £ 1,200 [will obviously maybe more or less] and transer £ 70). Plus of course the cost of meals etc.
What do members think are the pros and cons of each option.
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Ive never tried a rental property before mainly because a lot on offer are a bit of a walk from the seafront and my feet dont take kindly to the heat. but as for the all inclusive I wouldnt go down that road either as there are so many great places to eat in Calis and if your stuck in a hotel where the food isnt good you either have to put up with it or bite the bullet and get food elsewhere and thats adding extra cost, also I dont mind the local drinks but the local mixes are dire they ruin a good drink.
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I think I must be one of the few people who prefer neither and despise neither. In cost terms it is swings and roundabouts - when I compare both types of holiday they generally work out similar. For us it depends what you want. We love going out and choosing our restaurants but we also enjoy the freedom that all inclusive gives the kids (and us of course) to grab a coke or a beer, or a burger, just when you want. Going all inclusive doesn't mean you are locked in a hotel for the duration, far from it. We use the hotel as a base and get out and about just as we would in an apartment or villa.
The big advantage of an apartment/villa for us anyway is the fact that you can get 2 or 3 (or more) bedrooms which is pleasant for a family group. I know privacy/own pool, kitchen etc etc are important for others.
One other point is that the cost of flights makes package holidays (including AI) appear relatively cheaper - the one we priced up worked out at £340 for 10 days Thomson 4+ star all inclusive (package price £650, less flight only - same flights exactly - £310) - so we have 3 meals a day, all drinks and snacks and room for £34 per day.
Those who know me will be aware that I can eat and drink £34 worth a day quite easily :D
So our thinking is, get a good deal. Nothing else :)
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Those who know me will be aware that I can eat and drink £34 worth a day quite easily :D
Normally split 20/80 ;) ;D
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Harsh
But probably fair :D
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I have done all inclusive but in Kenya where you probably wouldn't want to venture to far after dark anyway but for me Calis is about getting out and about and enjoying the hospitality of different Restaurants / Bars / Areas. We love the Boat Trips, Water Park, Jeep safari etc etc Eat what we want, drink what we want and id say 3K covers that for 3 of us late August early September. We stay in a private Villa also.
Being cooked up in a Hotel with no fridge etc would drive me nuts! ;)
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And that Rob is the familiar appraisal of AI...
Why do people associate all inclusive with being captured inside a hotel complex?
Also, I've never been to an AI hotel that didn't have a fridge in the room, unlike non-AI rooms. Staying in AI hotels also does not exclude you from going on boat trips, visiting the aquapark or - can you believe this - even finding a restaurant on the other side of the fence..!
I'm not pro-AI, I'm just not anti ;)
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I appreciate what your saying Keith but i think it comes down to budget for me, if i spent 3K on AI id want my monies worth out of the hotel so id be less likely to venture far! Everyone to there own i suppose but AI in Europe is not for me. I looked at AI in Egypt for next year but the draw of Calis was to great and i think it was down to the freedom that swung it 8)
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In fact I agree with everything you say too Rob :D
Where I tend to differ is in the belief that AI is bad for local tourism economies. It's an opinion I have shared several times on CBF. That is, it is better to have an AI hotel in town (Calis, but anywhere really) than to not have it. If one person ventures out of the front gate and buys one Efes on the other side of the barrier, the town benefited. Best to have people renting villas and booking self catering hotels, of course it is; but for the reasons already given, better to have 4 people in town on an AI basis than to have them in Egypt on a similar AI holiday. Who knows, they might even come back next year and book a villa...
I also agree with your reasoning, that you wouldn't have the funds from your holiday budget to sample the "outside world" if you paid 3k for an AI holiday already. But I don't think that is often the case when the figures are added up. Without spewing out prices and figures, I believe it is often only slightly cheaper for a decent level of AI than it is for a fair quality hotel. So why not pay £15 per day more and use the breakfast/snacks/Efes/vodka facilities and go out in the evening...
I would concede that AI can't compete with a private rental, if a private villa or apartment is what you prefer. But there is something between a hotel and an AI hotel that I wish people could recognise - that being the use of AI as a base from which to have a breakfast now and again, neck a few, then bravely venture outside with a few quid.
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For me it would depend on which country I went to. In Turkey we like to get out and eat where and when we want. However I like the bed and breakfast option.
We have had a villa when we took the family out and it was probably the best thing for our grandson. We would do it again if we all went again but for two of us I prefer the bustle of a hotel. The cost of flights , transfers and villa would be higher than a holiday package. Or at least it would the way I bargain hunt!!!
In Jamaica it was the only way to go and turned out food was excellent and drinks acceptable. The cost of trips were high.
We got a really good deal from Glasgow to Mexico for £1200 for a fortnight for two AI. Food acceptable, drink ok, but such a cheap holiday it was not considered a waste to go to town several times for lunch and once for dinner. The dinner cost around £100, our fault for being talked into the specials in food and cocktails, but we would not have wanted to sustain eating out for a fortnight at that price.
For me half the fun is the planning of the holiday to a new place and then trying to get the best deal and would do this with an open mind as to what way I did it.
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Its about 8 years since I stayed in a hotel but the last time we paid about £50 extra each for evening meals to be aded. At that price I was quiote happy to look at what was on offer and then we would decide whether to 'stay in' or venture out.
I think that I would weigh up the extra cost of the AI, if you are getting your moneys worth still venturing out then I would be comfortable with that.
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I am sure AI is great if you have young children and need kids clubs to keep them amused. I think the problem with a lot of them is the fact they are so isolated.
We had some Wedding guest saying in the Majesty Tuana and we drove out to pick them up. It's about 15 minutes out of Calis and then down a long country road. The place is run like a prison camp with guards at gates. When we picked two of the guests we were told that they were staying about 1 mile from the reception, they had not found half of the attractions yet and the only shop was extremely expensive. After a few days in, they told us the food was very much the same every evening. These people did not realise how far away from Calis they were, in fact, they thought they were staying in Fethiye.
Obviously, a lot of people will not be leaving places like this one and so not a lot of money will be going into the local economy.
I did read one blog that said only 10% of money from AI's goes into the Turkey economy.
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Yes I agree that many (most?) are isolated - I guess because of the large land areas they tend to need. But not 2 hours from the beach or nearest town. We have stayed at Majesty Tuana and it is well served by dolmus and taxis outside. There is a general problem with hotels in the area and their addresses - some claiming to be in Fethiye but are actually in Yaniklar or Koca Calis for example (but still technically true) - also I know of many arguments and even punch ups at receptions in Ovacik/Hisaronu where people have arrived to check in to their Olu Deniz hotel but are a bus ride away from it - again, technically Ovacik comes under Olu Deniz Belediye so technically correct. This is a general problem rather than a problem with AI.
If it is correct that 10% goes into the local economy it proves my point. £300 from a 3k family booking is worth having and certainly better to have than not have the facility and let Egypt or Rhodes get the £300. My feeling about Turkey is that it isn't difficult to get people to love it and return again and again, it is difficult to get them to come the first time. If AI gets them there and they like it, there is nothing to say they will go AI the next time.
It is however difficult to see how only 10% goes into the economy - these places are big employers and big purchasers of food and drinks. All that expenditure goes into the local economy.
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It's actually 10% of tourist spending to the local economy, so even if the resort is buying it's
supplies from local stockists, it's the local business such as shops and restaurants that are suffering
http://www.tourismconcern.org.uk/all-inclusive-holidays---excluding-local-people.html
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That was what upset us in the Jamaica. Most of the AI are owned by spanish companies so a lot of the money is leaving the island.
Most hotels were well out of town and nothing went into the local economy. The result was high unemployment and crime,. Which made it unsafe and frightening to leave the hotel.
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No actually it is exactly the opposite way round. High unemployment and crime was responsible for creating the fenced and gated all inclusive resorts of Jamaica. Jamaica was the home of the all inclusive concept, the thinking being to create a tourist who didn't need to carry cash.