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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Scunner on October 02, 2012, 09:31:14 AM
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Yes or No to what Keith? Whether he did it or not, the man is not here to defend himself so I couldn't possibly vote or comment!
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Only wish he was still alive to face the music. I will watch the programme with interest tomorrow night.
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But why ?
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What difference does it make. If he did do these things, It will just confirm that, the more popular you are and the more money you have, the more you can get away with. Best left in peace.
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These young girls did not come forward because he was so powerful and so popular and they thought as did lots of members of the BBC Staff, who knew what he was up to, that they would not be believed. Even though Savile is dead, this may stop something like this happening in future. It may also give Savile's victims some relief and some closure which they deserve after all these years.
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What difference does it make. ~ Best left in peace.
I wonder if you would feel the same had it been your daughter or sister making the claims
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Why it is important that it isn't swept under the carpet is because the survivors who are left behind have the right to try to lift the huge burden, the fear, the feelings of powerlessness, the internalized guilt that this is somehow their fault that they carry with them every day and night for the rest of their lives.
It takes a huge amount of courage to face these fears and speak out about these very personal and intrusive experiences.
I used to work with abused children and young people and unless you have experienced or seen the effects of abuse it is hard to imagine the irreparable damage that is done. Too often the system allows perpetrators get away with it and often it is the child that is punished by being removed and placed into care.
If he is guilty why should he be "left in peace"? I hope he rots in hell as I am sure these allegations are just the tip of the iceberg.
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What's the question please scunner
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Did he fix it for you
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I agree Nichola! These women need closure and need people to believe this actually happened to them. How sad they have gone on for so long not being able to tell what happened for fear of not being taken seriously or fear of the man himself.
I also think those in charge at the BBC at the time should hang their heads in shame.
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I agree with you too, rest in peace ! my ar*e, if he is to be proven guilty, then maybe it will go some way to helping the people who have suffered for all these years, always thought he was shady anyway.
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New trust a man with hidden compartments in his armchair
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Or his trousers :)
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Funny, but it seems a lot of truth in this one
http://newsthump.com/2012/10/02/whole-of-uk-turned-blind-eye-to-savile-abuse-apparently/
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Left in peace ??? you are for real ??!! my god, lets turn a blind eye shall we ?? These poor girls need and deserve the truth to be told. Never, EVER, underestimate the damage of abuse. >:(
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Certainly seems he has been found guilty already.
There are instances where the "victims" have been found to be telling lies too.
I'm not suggesting this is the case as all I know about this is from public opinion.
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When I was 9 I met Jimmy Saville, when he was about to leave our class my gran was outside and asked me to go back for his autograph, the crowd pushed forward and I nearly got crushed (thanks nan), Jimmy told his chauffeur to get me and put me in his Rolls Royce to drive me out of the crowds, he sat talking to me for a while and during that time never attempted to do anything improper, he was very kind and my nan got her autograph.
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Well that programme convinced me, and sickened me, and even more people are coming forward, the details appeared to be consistent too, and I believe them, the only further insult I would like to hand him is to throw McKenzie and Bettisson and a few more on top of him, oh and that Abul fella with the hook.
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When I was 9 I met Jimmy Saville, when he was about to leave our class my gran was outside and asked me to go back for his autograph, the crowd pushed forward and I nearly got crushed (thanks nan), Jimmy told his chauffeur to get me and put me in his Rolls Royce to drive me out of the crowds, he sat talking to me for a while and during that time never attempted to do anything improper, he was very kind and my nan got her autograph.
Maybe you were a little too young? Who knows - maybe you were just lucky?
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I've no doubt about the truth of the allegations but some of the statements beggared belief. One lady when asked how many times he abused her between the age of 15 and 16 replied a couple of dozen. Well why the f*ck did she keep going back.
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To go on Top of the Pops.
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I watched the 'Exposure' documentary on Jimmy Saville last night and I am left with no doubt that the allegations against him are true! It makes me feel sick to my stomach that I grew thinking he was a good, if not weird guy, who was dedicated to good causes, when it was all a sham for his own gratification! He used his charitable work to groom very young girls and to make him untouchable .. sickening!! The evidence his alleged victims has revealed and continues to reveal a number of accomplices for want of a better word, all of whom were famous names and used their celebrity status to procur and molest underage girls in some cases as young as 12!!! Of course I feel for his family but I wish to God that he could have been outted when he was alive .....
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Kenyak there are thousands and thousands of abuse victims who go back time after time for whatever reason and I find the comment from Bluewise very offensive... Can we please stop the feeble attempts at humour. I know about child abuse and trust me there is nothing remotely funny or amusing about it!!
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Kenyak there are thousands and thousands of abuse victims who go back time after time for whatever reason and I find the comment from Bluewise very offensive... Can we please stop the feeble attempts at humour. I know about child abuse and trust me there is nothing remotely funny or amusing about it!!
I didn't mean to offend and was certainly not trying to be funny - just stating what came across as the reasons these women returned.
Are you suggesting that the pull of appearing on TV and meeting celebrities was not relevant? Are you also suggesting that at 14/15 years of age, these young women didn't know any better?
I find what he appears to have been doing absolutely disgusting, I am now of the opinion it did take place so am not doubting the women however there is a degree of responsibility on them too. "Why keep going back" is a reasonable question to ask in these circumstances.
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I would suggest that there are still a lot of vunerable young girls aged 14 or 15 who certainly dont know what they are doing. They may seem grown up and act grown up but they are still underage and children. The aged 16 years law is for their own protection. I thought that I was grown up at 14 and 15 but when I look back I certainly wasnt.!!! Of course they wanted to be on Top of the tops who wouldnt have wanted to be but it still doesnt give anyone the right to take advantage of them.. . There have been countless numbers of choirboys and children abused by priests over decades. Some of these kids were abused by the same men for years they didnt stop going back for whatever reason. They the same as these girls were vunerable kids at the time. My point was that I find the amusing remarks distasteful. I have personal experience of abuse in my familyand trust me it isnt amusing in any way!!!
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A really interesting and shocking article in the Telegraph which has a statement from Liz Kershaw showing the way the BBC treated it's women employees in the eighties, which was totally disgusting.
Also a piece about John Peel which surprised me. Seems like abuse to woman and chlidren was accepted and covered up as a matter of course by the BBC.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9591317/Jimmy-Saviles-toxic-legacy.html
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Hmm very interesting reading Jackie
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I would suggest that there are still a lot of vunerable young girls aged 14 or 15 who certainly dont know what they are doing. They may seem grown up and act grown up but they are still underage and children. The aged 16 years law is for their own protection. I thought that I was grown up at 14 and 15 but when I look back I certainly wasnt.!!! Of course they wanted to be on Top of the tops who wouldnt have wanted to be but it still doesnt give anyone the right to take advantage of them.. . There have been countless numbers of choirboys and children abused by priests over decades. Some of these kids were abused by the same men for years they didnt stop going back for whatever reason. They the same as these girls were vunerable kids at the time. My point was that I find the amusing remarks distasteful. I have personal experience of abuse in my familyand trust me it isnt amusing in any way!!!
Again, I want to point out there was no attempt at humour in my post - I take this very seriously.
Whilst agreeing with some of your comments regarding taking advantage of youngsters, it is also appears that you see this in black and white and have no intention of apportioning any responsibility to the “victims” here.
This is where we will have to agree to differ.
I offer my respect to those who work relentlessly to stop child abuse and applaud their dedication. I am all too aware of the lifelong damage it can cause. I also see that these valuable resources can be used less effectively by following up on cases where someone has looked back on their own behaviour and suddenly decided they were “victims” rather than someone who, at that time, was willing to trade their self-respect for short term gain.
Clearly, no two cases are the same however, I formed the opinion that some of the people taking part in the documentary were not blameless.
I was immature and impulsive at 15 – but I knew right from wrong as I suspect some of these women did too. It seems to me there were choices available to them. Protecting children has to prioritise those who are not given any choice.
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One word... PERV!! >:(
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I hear on BBC News that police have today said that "Savile was a predatory sex offender"
I don't doubt it - but when did it become the job of the police to publicly announce someone guilty of something without trial or full investigation?
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An unsavour business but the family deserve credit for having Savile's headstone removed.
"The family members are deeply aware of the impact that the stone remaining there could have on the dignity and sanctity of the cemetery," Savile's family said in a statement.
"Out of respect to public opinion, to those who are buried there, and to those who tend their graves and visit there, we have decided to remove it."
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Yes it must be absolutely crushing for the family to see their relative go from (seemingly) loved celebrity to despised sexual predator in a matter of months. Taking the decision to remove a gravestone must have been an awful thing to have to do.
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Unfortunately, I think the family would have had no choice but to have the gravestone removed. There is no doubt it would have been the next target to be defaced.
I was also surprised to read that his coffin is encased in concrete..
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What a difference 11 months makes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058879/Jimmy-Savile-coffin-display-Leeds-hotel-ahead-funeral-fans-say-goodbye.html
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Very little mention of the girl that did stand up to him and was punished for it, and in the interview with Freddie Starr, he denied an allegation with a girl saying the girl in question was in an approved school at the time, as if to justify any denial, personally he had liar written all over him, and I would be interested to see the result of his police questioning,
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I was also surprised to read that his coffin is encased in concrete..
I remember that in the reports at the time - apparently to safeguard valuables that may be buried with him. Now you have to wonder if encasing him in concrete might have been because they knew all this would break one day...
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I wonder where the girl is who claimed to br his long lost daughter? I bet she wishes she'd kept her gob shut!
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Elementary my Dear Scunner.
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I wonder where the girl is who claimed to br his long lost daughter? I bet she wishes she'd kept her gob shut!
i was wondering about that too!
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A friend from school married Gary Glitter's granddaughter. We don't hear so much about that these days.
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It has become clear that those that have spoken out about that man are just exposing the tip of the iceberg.
For those that may not have had the chance to watch the Exposure documentary here is the link if you can bear to watch.
I found it really quite disturbing. I was particularly moved by the reaction and words of Esther Rantzen who was visibly disturbed and shaken by what she witnessed from parts of the documentary she was shown stating she had been determined not to believe that he was guilty of being a serial abuser of children.
http://enenews.com/bbc-in-pedophelia-cover-up-former-top-star-said-to-have-100s-of-victims-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-knighted-by-queen-friend-to-prime-minister-videos
Source for above video and links to more information and videos
http://enenews.com/bbc-in-pedophelia-cover-up-former-top-star-said-to-have-100s-of-victims-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-knighted-by-queen-friend-to-prime-minister-videos
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What difference does it make. If he did do these things, It will just confirm that, the more popular you are and the more money you have, the more you can get away with. Best left in peace.
I completely take this back. He was a Rat. Sorry.
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It takes courage to admit when you got it wrong - good for you :)
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I think I said before on here, that I was a Student Nurse at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in the late 70's, and worked there on and off until 2003. He did have complete carte blanche to do as he wished which could be very disconcerting if you encountered him at night in the nurses home. I never had any personal contact as such, but did have the unfortunate experience of witnessing extremely lewd behaviour towards a very sick young girl, in front of her mother, and my ward colleagues. I was disgusted as an eighteen year old, and have never had any doubt about what he was. He has for me, tarnished my memories of an institution that I always held in very high regard.