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Calis Beach Forum => Expat & Property Owners Q and A Forum => Topic started by: savoyboy on March 29, 2013, 01:46:02 AM
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Hi wonder if anyone can tell me.
Our house is all but finished an the builder says I have to pay to get the house
Cleaned.
I say why should I have to pay to get your mess cleaned up.
As far as I know I'm buying a new house,which means it should be clean and ready for
Us to move in when the time comes.
I have also said that most builders do what is called a sparkly clean.
Meaning the house is cleaned so that everything shines and it looks like a new house.
And would you buy a new car and drive out the show room with oil on the seats and the car covered
In dirt ?
Do let me know if I'm right in this or I am just expecting to much.
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Ours was cleaned by the buılder before we took over. Had floor scrubbıng equıpment and a team of cleaners ın all day.Stıck to your guns.
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Yes it should be cleaned, ours was and the builder fully expected to do it so.
However, when they came back 2 years later to do some repairs and some alterations we wanted to the pool, they didn't expect to clean up, until I refused to pay for the alterations until they had done so.
Stick with it & if you can hold back some cash.
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Seems a strange deal, I would expect it to be ready to move into so therefor clean.
Good warning to others to have that work done as part of the agreement.
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Definitely clean, we even had all our furniture delivered and the builder (or his men) set that out as well.
We had 1 room (the bathroom) where the tiler had just wiped the walls following grouting, but he only gave it 1 wipe so we had dried grout on all the tiles, I said I would sort it and thought it would only take an hour, it took me all day the hardened grout really sticks.
The car analogy above is good, you never buy a dirty car from a showroom.
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us as well, house was cleaned to the "sparkly" standard by the builders cleaners, we were told this was standard practice you should defo not have to pay, rather naughty of them I think good luck :)
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Yes, our house was cleaned for free. I also find it strange you are being asked to pay for this service. Who is the builder??
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We had to pay to get our new duplex cleaned 7 years ago. We were told that this is common practise in Turkey. Not only did we pay for their cleaners to clean, we weren't too pleased with the end result, and instead of making a fuss (I was waiting to go home for serious surgery, didn't have the strength) we paid an English couple who lived there to do it again. They also thought that although it was a strange practise, it was normal for Turkey as they had the same experience the previous year. :o
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Who is the builder??
Peter said in a recent topic he was buying from Manzara.
I would say in 10 years I experienced just one (or possibly two) that wouldn't clean before handover and they were both cheaper end apartment builders. In some cases they were so bad (solid plaster lumps stuck to ceramic floors, proper builder mess) that we would pay to have them cleaned in the early cases, or with that knowledge at least tell the customer that a clean would be necessary before they came over to see their dream place in the sun.
Ultimately it comes back to the same thing - if they didn't say they would do it, and they have 95% of your money in their bank account, you are unlikely to pull out over it.
But I agree with all of the above - the moment you walk into your new apartment it should be shining like a new pin, however shiny that might be.
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Never forgetting of course that a Builders Clean may not be your idea of a clean. That applies in both Turkey and the UK!
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Very true, and a good point. But I think snots of solid plaster 6" long stuck to the kitchen ceramic floor would come into pretty much everyone's definition of something to clean when getting sa property ready for handover.
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Very true, and a good point. But I think snots of solid plaster 6" long stuck to the kitchen ceramic floor would come into pretty much everyone's definition of something to clean when getting sa property ready for handover.
Yes but a builder might think you are being a little picky (no pun intended)
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we had our place cleaned by the builder, not great but it was habitable
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:(House builder just emailed me saying.
The Interior work is completed (but the air con is not put in yet or white goods)
And some work in the garden to be done( no garden at the moment)
And you want a sparkly clean house I could by from the other countries I mentioned.
( Not helpful advice at this stage)
This is our system.
Maybe I should have asked this when buying the house.
But when buying of plan with one or to things to ask I did not think of this.
All things considered it is a small thing but how it was presented is another thing.
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Not a very good advert for Manzara builders :(
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Hopefully Ozlen can help me when I see her on Tuesday to get this house quickly so I can move on
I know I will be paying for the clean now and it's not the paying but the way it was presented to me.
Arrrrrrrrr
Today I've been told that the builder does not want to order the air con just yet.
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Why?
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A good question ?
A few weeks ago I was told it was to early
To order them.
Today I don't know why
I will ask.
Thanks
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We bought off Manzara (admittedly 5 years ago) and they did an almost clinical clean up, it made our purchase an even happier event due to that fact. Also, they were a day late with the hand over and so put us up in their hotel free of charge for the night.
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That gives me great Hope Valleyboy.
But the world has changed a we bit
In the housing market in 5 years.
That's a positive note for us.
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That gives me great Hope Valleyboy.
But the world has changed a we bit
In the housing market in 5 years.
That's a positive note for us.
Yes I believe there have been some significant changes within the company lately, but persevere and good luck, I hope it all works out well for you. :)
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Our house was cleaned before we moved in. We weren't charged.
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I've never had a new house cleaned to my satisfaction, either Turkey or the UK
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I will let you know how it all goes,we are flying out on easy jet on the from Gatwick takes of all being
Well 15.05,anyone els on this flight please come and say hi .
We will let you know how it goes.
Hopefully Ozlen will help us get this Sparkly Crystal Villa !
Wish us luck.
Happy Easter everyone
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We bought our apartment of Manzara 2 years ago, they sent in a team of cleaners who spent most of the day cleaning it - to a very good finish. But I think times have changed for Manzara and profits are not what they were (presumably)
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which day Savoyboy do you fly? we are on the easyjet flight from Gatwick on Friday woop woop :)
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Easy jet Stanstead on Saturday for me
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We fly today (April 1)
Yeep eeeee
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Safe journey Savoyboy and good luck with your new home in the sun.Enjoy it. PS. they sell cleaning products at Bim. ;D ;D ;D
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When we got our place from Hanel Houses they said it had been professionally cleaned, LMFAO.
Paint and grout everywhere, dust that you could write in on every flat surface and spat out melon seed stuck everywhere.
Old JR (as we called him) wasnt to happy at being dragged round and shown it all supposedly "cleaned" house. I made some remark about wondering what a mess your house must be if you think this is clean only to find out a few weeks later his Mrs run the cleaning team LOL.
2 weeks later I was still waiting for them to send this so called cleaning team back, but I'd done it all myself by then,,,,,Hanel Houses, crap from start to finish!
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Who is the builder??
Peter said in a recent topic he was buying from Manzara.
I would say in 10 years I experienced just one (or possibly two) that wouldn't clean before handover and they were both cheaper end apartment builders. In some cases they were so bad (solid plaster lumps stuck to ceramic floors, proper builder mess) that we would pay to have them cleaned in the early cases, or with that knowledge at least tell the customer that a clean would be necessary before they came over to see their dream place in the su
We bought from a very well respected builder who also has an estate agent and hotel in Calis. We were told by this agent that it was the norm in Turkey to have to pay for a clean before taking possession of a new property.
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Now, I wonder why your agent would have told you that, when Scunner has who dealt with so many people buying houses in 10 years, had a totaly different view? I suppose this means that your builder must have been the 1 or maybe 2 of the apartment builders that Scunner mentioned?
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You do have to remember the point made earlier, that a builder's clean is not what many people would call clean ;)
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Now, I wonder why your agent would have told you that, when Scunner has who dealt with so many people buying houses in 10 years, had a totaly different view? I suppose this means that your builder must have been the 1 or maybe 2 of the apartment builders that Scunner mentioned?
I would defend my builder absolutely, all I can say is that he has built several high quality properties in the area, is very well respected by all of those know him, and I may say by ourselves, but we were told that we had to pay for a clean, which we did, as did several others who had properties built by this company. We were told that this was "normal for Turkey" and paid for the clean. We just accepted it as the norm and paid. It was quite a surprise to hear that this was not the norm for Turkey. There is absolutely no implication that this company constructs poor quality properties, nor would we name them as we consider them to be at the "superior" end of the construction market.
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We bought a new build from Nicholas and I gave them a list of about five items we wanted doing prior to accepting it,the final item being a good clean.We were there measuring up one morning and an elderly lady turned up with a few simple cleaning items.We left her to it and went off to Fethiye and returned later that day.She was just finishing the windows and the place was sparkling.All marble floors,balconies and sills,windows and patio doors inside and out (she polished the glass with newspapers),bathrooms and kitchen ready to use.We gave her a good tip,she deserved it.We know others buying off Nicholas had a free final clean.We had a good experience. :) :)
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Sadler, I am surprised you will not name your builder as he is so good and so superior and you are pleased with your property. I am sure a recommendation would be appreciated by other members thinking of buying. :o
Do your really thing it would put people off to know they have to pay out a few quid to get a house cleaned, particularly if they are assured the builder is top knotch?? I know it would not bother us. ;D ;) In fact, we would welcome your recommendation, we may be in the market for another property in the near future. :)
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Sadler, I am surprised you will not name your builder as he is so good and so superior and you are pleased with your property. I am sure a recommendation would be appreciated by other members thinking of buying. :o
Do your really thing it would put people off to know they have to pay out a few quid to get a house cleaned, particularly if they are assured the builder is top knotch?? I know it would not bother us. ;D ;) In fact, we would welcome your recommendation, we may be in the market for another property in the near future. :)
I already have Jacqui several times in previous posts. As the subject here is slightly on the negative side, I would prefer not to on this occasion, however, if you really are interested, you can always pm me! ;)
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Still waiting to talk to to builder,my time is going quick here.
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Today we did snagging,it was hard to do with builders paint and cement on floors and bathroom
Tiles.
Looking forward to seeing Ozlen tomorrow.
More luck needed.
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Tell them the members of this forum are watching to see the outcome,some may be looking to buy holiday homes.
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Another day goes by and still waiting to see builder.
Hope to see builder Friday.
I'm thinking the worse as the week goes by.
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Stick to your guns. A new house should look just that.-----NEW. They aint cheap. Good luck.
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So you flew out to see the builder on Monday, and today it is Thursday and they still haven't even had the courtesy to meet you yet?
I bet they saw you much quicker when you initially said you were buying a Manzara property and wanted to sign the contract?
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That's a shame Savoyboy, I know you must be very worried. Is there no way you can find out where this guy is and go and see him??
Good luck hope it goes O.K. for you.
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Bite the bullet.pay to have cleaning done to your own standards.Then you can begin to enjoy your beautiful new home.The cost of cleaning is a drop in the ocean compared to the price of your property.Enjoy your time and start your break.
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Another day goes by and still waiting to see builder.
Hope to see builder Friday.
I'm thinking the worse as the week goes by.
Sorry to hear more bad news for you Peter :(
Of course a new house should look like a new house! Nobody would buy a dirty, house, car, suit, dress etc, etc!
Manzarra are Not doing themselves any favours, again..... :(
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Builder wants me to pay for the outside wall to be finished.
( Wants me to pay to have the red bricks to be on top the wall )
Arrrr
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:( Lord, it's never-ending! Whats the legal opinion on all these 'hitches'?
Hope you manage to get something sorted before you come home - again.......
Best wishes
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If you have asked for them after the wall ıs buılt then yes I thınk you would have to pay. If not and the wall looks good as ıt ıs say no. Get ıt done later ıf u want and ıt wıll cost you less money.
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The wall is part of the company's
Logo.
And have said we will have to pay
To have the wall finished.
And the company's logo red brick
Put on.
We are seeing Ozlen Monday
Wish us luck.
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The builders want you to pay for their logo to be put into your wall?
Classic.
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When I say logo I mean the company's
Red brick that you see on all there
Walls and you drive by and say arr
Another -------- build.
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Sh1t? ;)
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you couldn't make it up :(
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What a pile of pants. This really is getting beyond belief.
When we bought our house the agent said they would take over the maintenance, we agreed, next time we came back there was a big sign on the gate post with an advertisement for the agent :o It soon disappeared. ;)
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Savoyboy it might be worth telling Ozlen that "hundreds" of people on this Forum are watching the outcome of this shambles,she might decide to tell MANZARRA about it.Tell the builders you do'nt want the red bricks,it sounds like another cash grab.Sort bits out yourself later and probably cheaper.Sorry about your problems but you're almost there.You'll be smiling next year when you pay your council tax. :) :) :)
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We kind of like the red bricks finished.
And would still like the brick block
Drive that builder does not want to
Put now.
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What a fiasco !, totally different experience when we bought off them, it's quite sad, and obviously annoying for you Savoyboy !
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How much is one cleaner and a few red bricks costing Manzara Construction in this topic alone?
My God, the cleaner is probably on the payroll anyway so the cost is zero!
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Will update you after meeting with
Ozlen tomorrow !
I do hope all goes well.
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Fıngers crossed for you.
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It's just Not true that "all Publicity, is Good Publicity" Manzara are shooting themselves in the foot Big time!
Hope your meeting goes well today Peter.
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Been watching this with interest and disgust. OK the clean will not cost that much BUT it's the principal! How can a builder hand a house over in a state that requires the buyers to have to clean it before they move in?
Sounds to me like they have a cash flow problem. Won't pay for the clean, won't pay for the Air Con - yet (and once they are gone how easy will it be to get them back?) and want you to pay for their brick logo!
Good luck with the meeting today :)
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I've also been reading here and I'm curious to find out what will happen.
However, we have bought several new properties from "turkish" builders and not one had been cleaned. It's not the standard in Turkey.
I assume that the builders who build and sell a lot to foreigners have adjusted their standards to the expectations.
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Ozlen canceled meeting arrrrrr
Have meeting for Tuesday
11am.
Another day goes by.
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News update
We have been told that house will be cleaned once
All work has been finished on Wednesday or Thursday .
We will wait and see what happens.
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It's "crate of Efes time" & chill. 8) 8)
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Good news air con is Being put as I speak
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Getting better eh...well done for hanging in there. Fingers crossed everything else gets done.
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Good news air con is Being put as I speak
That's good news Peter :)
How did your meeting go this morning?
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Excellent!
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More news to,that will make you fall
Of your chair !
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well come on then.......???????
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We will be paying 450 TL for house clean
And as we the builder did not clean the house
We can pay for that to.
Thank you.
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£165 for a cleaner?
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Have more news but can't talk about here.
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Yep, that hurts!
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On way home on the north circular now
In rush hour jam.
It's fair to say that was 15 days of
Stress and worry.
But I'm looking forward to to
Going back to work for a rest tomorrow.
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Just a end to the house clean post.
450 TL is still a lot of money.
But there. Wa s a lot of paint and rubbish to clean up.
And all. We. Have to do is to find som e flights for the 26 may till June 2nd from any London airport
To Dalaman airport,to pick up our Tapu.So finge crossed.
All the best.
Peter and Anita.
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Let's hope that part of your purchase goes better.
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Thank you everyone for your help and advice.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that builder will give us Tapu in the end of may.
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Getting your Tapu so soon after your completion sounds great. Our so called 'completion' was end of 2011, and we have only just got half our Tapu (land) with the rest (building) due within 30 days - this after much begging, emailing, visiting - finally with solicitor support. And still experiencing snagging issues. :(
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I bought 5 years ago. 10 days before I moved in, I went with a rep from the buidling company, an English friend and a Turkish friend to do a snagging list. All was agreed and cleaning was also agreed. When I arived 10 days later, no ne had been near my property since my visit. No cleaning done and nothing on the snagging list done. The builder got very superior and snotty with me when I dared to complain. As the movers were bringing furniture in, my friend and I were desperately running before them trying to get rooms reasonably clean. The snagging list took weeks and weeks of chasing to get done and some bits I actually paid other people to do for me. As for the cleaining - over a month later, the builders contacted me to say the marble floor polishing company were coming over - when I again dared to voice my concern as my home was now full of furniture, I was told that it is always done that way in Turkey and it is easier to polish marble floors once furniture was in place, than in an empty apartment !!!! I am a blonde female - I am not stupid!
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I'm going back some years now, but our apartment was what I would call empted of all building matter; not cleaned. Things are not the same in Turkey.
We had very little issues with the builder unlike some others on the complex, maybe be because we treated it like a trukish purchase and not a british one, I don't know but it worked out well for us.
Doug