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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Highlander on April 08, 2013, 13:02:26 PM
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I for one am saddened by this news and make no apology for saying so
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Me too, a great lady. RIP
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Me too and how sad that she was so lonely in her last years - her children particularly Mark didn't seem to be very caring - such a shame but makes you wonder why?
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Very sad news she was a great lady.
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Me too
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As someone who spent 12 months on strike, I still have great respect for Mrs Thatcher, a lot of what she did had to be done at the time. The thing I look for in a leader is the firm belief what they are doing is right for the country. I believe both her and Tony Blair were the two greatest leaders in modern times.
RIP
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No tears from me.
Do not speak ill of the dead but their passing does not absolve them of misdeeds in life.
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Me too! "U turn if you want to. The Lady's not for turning."
On another level, she was utterly career minded and as a general rule, you only get back what you put in, so maybe more time for her children might have helped. Just saying! I might be wrong.
RIP Iron Lady.
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No tears from me
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Oh, come on amca. They did what they thought was best in the national interest.
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. Show me the person who protests to be perfect and I will show you a liar!
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RIP
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No tears from me.
Do not speak ill of the dead but their passing does not absolve them of misdeeds in life.
That is actually a very diplomatic comment - one that will be echoed in many parts of Scotland, without the diplomacy element I suspect.
JF
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Nicely said, Amca.
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One of the saddest days of my life, the greatest prime minister since Winston Churchill. she rebuilt this country, we all make mistakes in life and Maggie did too, but now give her the state funeral she deserves as we did for Winston, you were my idol. God bless you and Rest in Peace. :( :(
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Hear hear Des. At the end of the day, she did what she had to do when this country was on its knees. Her only big mistake was the Poll Tax.
Anyway, in my opinion, it's not for us to judge her as a person. That's for a higher power which is way beyond our understanding.
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Likes most of us she made mistakes
I for one will morn her passing.
For most of the time I did we'll by
Her.
Rest in peace Maggie.
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I'm with you H and all the others mourning the death of a great leader.
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in my opinion she took the word British out of our industry,s and today we are still paying as a result, no tears from me ...Her passing will be like when Jimmy saville passed away all the miners will be celebrating :D
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Made us into a country that manufactures nothing and excel in services, like...erm...banking.
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Nothing wrong with opinions Danky whether political or what, but to refer to Mrs Thatcher with the name of Jimmy Saville. you disgust me.
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like when Jimmy saville passed away all the miners will be celebrating :D
Why were the miners celebrating when Jimmy Savile died? :D
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Definitely not mourning her passing.
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Some people make a difference, a difference that may not always be agreeable to all, but I believe that Margaret Thatcher did what she did and made the decisions that she felt were for the benefit of us all.
To have such a determined belief in what you want for your fellow countrymen and carry it out takes some very special person. Such a strong women in British politics at that time and since.
She was someone who comes by very rarely in life.
Such a shame that her later years appeared so bare.
Rest in Peace Iron Lady :(
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Why were the miners celebrating when Jimmy Savile died? :D
An attempt at a miners/minors joke?
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Well said teetee and I would also say that women in politics / power were taken much more seriously after Maggie - an equal to any man
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Why were the miners celebrating when Jimmy Savile died? :D
An attempt at a miners/minors joke?
Ah!!! Bit slow today :)
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RIP from me as well. The Lady did more for her country than any PM since Churchill.
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I knew that this thread would polarise opinions.
What has been pleasing is that there has not been any of the vile vitriolic language that has been used on facebook.
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That's maybe because you spelt her name wrong in the topic title :D
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Hear Hear John, you noticed it too, disgusting.
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Yes H, in her first public statement when arriving in Downing Street she quoted: "Where there is discord let us bring harmony". Whatever wonderful tributes her supporters pour out I don't think any will think that she did a great job of this.
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Really H? Why? Somebody has just passed away. How very disrespectful.
She lived, she did her best, she made mistakes just like the rest of us.
Unless I have a very bad memory, she is the first ex PM since Winston Churchill who is being afforded a Ceremonial funeral.
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Posted merely as an example
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I agree Highlander but I did find the Jimmy Saville comparison somewhat off field..........
Whatever ones opinion of her I cannot see how they can be compared with JS, you may not have liked what she said or did but I believe she was truthful and honest in her actions regardless of her position. Not quite like JS who was a nasty, manipulating, evil molester of the innocent.
Will someone else compare a Great Britain with Gary Glitter next ;)
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Yes H, in her first public statement when arriving in Downing Street she quoted: "Where there is discord let us bring harmony". Whatever wonderful tributes her supporters pour out I don't think any will think that she did a great job of this.
Really Colwyn, don't you think she did a good job of curing the disease of the 1970,s unions arrogance that they were the employers and not the companies they worked for, and of course you dont think she was right to sent our troops to the falklands to regain our land. and as a tory yes I believe she did things wrong , I-e the poll tax, at the time I recall my thoughts which were god what on earth is she trying to do. but as I said earlier this is about a premiers death, whatever party you follow, and why we should show respect to whoever it may be, in this case Margaret Thatcher. god bless her and rest in peace.
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OMG! I am truly appalled at that picture....or whatever it is! Please let's have a bit of respect for a leader who brought this country back from the brink of anarchy!
I feel genuinely sad and also really quite upset at that disgraceful post.
The lady has passed just this morning!! I know people are going to have differing opinions but please let's keep them respectful.
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Posted merely as an example
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Example maybe, but bad taste John.
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To be fair Des, H only posted it because I asked what he'd seen. It's my fault if anybody's!! :(
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I for one will not shed a tear, and I sincerely hope that they do not hold a state funeral and expect the tax payer to pick up the bill.
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Let's face it - today's society is full of people with no respect - not even for themselves in many cases.
I have refrained from even replying to many posts on Facebook as they are not worth dignifying with a reply. I also wonder how many of those taking a pop at her now were cheering her when she sent the task force to free the Falklanders?
Shame on those who have no respect for one of our former leaders. I can't think of another country who would have people showing such lack of respect to a former PM.
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Well said Stoop and Loz, of course she isn't having a State funeral, she wasn't royalty but she's having a Ceremonial funeral like Diana, which she deserves.
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As H has realized many people on this topic are being very restrained in their wish to comment and the language in which they do comment if they choose to do so. This becomes difficult when some extremists demand "respect" be shown for their idol. Respect would be inappropriate.
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The words of bette Davis when she learned of the death of Joan Crawford:
"You should never say bad things about the dead, you should only say good . . . Joan Crawford is dead. Good!"
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If that is referring to me Colwyn, I'd just like to inform you that I'm not an extremist nor was Margaret Thatcher my idol. I'm asking for a bit of decent respect for someone who has only just passed away this morning. It could be anybody from someone in my family to a homeless person living rough. We all deserve the same.
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Love her or hate her she will take her place in History as the first British Woman Prime Minister and one that was as tough and maybe tougher than any man. I did not agree with all the things she did, but I had to admire some of her strong decisions. Just like Winston Churchill who was once hated for turning the troops on the Miners and who was voted out after the War, one day in years to come she will be looked up to by future generations as a great Woman and a great leader.
I too am shocked at the comments about her on Facebook which totally took me by surprise.
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I must say I am shocked at the number of people who are shocked by the comments on Facebook!
Margaret Thatcher, Facebook - what else were you all expecting!!!
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I think it quite sad when people are not respected for who they were as opposed to what they did. I garee with stoop, in current times you do not have to have liked someone to show respect, something which is spread very thinly in UK nowadays across all ages.
And finally, for those who mentioned miners I thought she was one ;)
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From a BBC reporter:
'Her bold free market reforms and curbs on union power - that caused so much controversy in the 1980s - are now accepted as conventional wisdom by all mainstream British political parties. '
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Jacqui is right, you had to admire her strength and staggering tenacity in striving to do the best for our country. Her great leadership is more likely to be recognised historically.
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Posted merely as an example
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Example maybe, but bad taste John.
Oh good grief Des - that was the point of my post - to illustrate to those not on face book what's being posted on there.
Some of the comments on there are totally sickening
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Every one is entitled to their opinion of this woman, therefore, as the eldest son of a Scottish Coal Miner, who worked in one of the most dangerous industries in the world, in order than people like Thatcher could enjoy comfort in their homes, only to have the Trades Union which looked after his interests, totally emasculated by this woman's hatred of anything/anyone whom she deemed to be of a lower class than her, I certainly found her to be an extremely biased, bigoted person, and perhaps should have concentrated on being a housewife, rather than a dictatorial, self-serving politician !!
The following was written 2 years ago, rather a long piece of reading, let's see how many so-called Thatcherites will read it in it's entirety.
Jas B
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British society is still feeling the effect of her divisive economic policies and the culture of greed and selfishness which she championed..
Unemployment tripled under her leadership, Thatcher proceeded to crush the resistance of the unions and solve the "who rules" question that had done for her Tory predecessor, Ted Heath. The result was dramatic, not only in the huge boost to inequality and the income of the well-off, but also in the US-style decline in the share of GDP going to wages and salaries – which fell from a peak of 65% in 1975 to 53% last year, this while corporate profits swelled.
Too many Britons felt they were discarded, like so much unwanted waste, by an economic policy that regarded the winding down of manufacturing industry and the tripling of unemployment as mere collateral damage in an otherwise just war. There was a hardening of the heart in those years, a thinning of the subtle, almost invisible threads of neighbourliness and common interest which ultimately tie a society together. Greed seemed to replace compassion as a core value.
Recession hit the North and manufacturing industry hardest and factory output dropped by more than 30 per cent. Unemployed workers were told by one her ministers Norman Tebbit to get on their bikes to look for new jobs. The manufacturing industry was decimated and has never recovered as Britain moved to a service economy.
She was hell bent on bringing so called democracy to the trade unions, but was quite happy to keep the House of Lords as an unreformed closed shop.
The roots of today’s current financial chaos can be traced directly back to October 27, 1986, when the biggest revolution in the financial markets took place. Thatcher saw London being overtaken as the centre of world finance by New York and she decided that its problem was over-regulation. Bonuses went through the roof as “greed is good” became the mantra and the markets became a casino. The legacy: Ultimately, the credit crunch. Weak banking regulations led to the irresponsible lending that triggered today’s crisis. World leaders now call for stricter rules.
Thatcher’s market-led policies saw the sale of 20 state-controlled companies including British Telecom, British Gas, Rolls-Royce, British Airways, the British Airports Authority, Associated British Ports, British Steel, the Regional water companies and the Electricity distribution companies. Sales were marked by huge advertising campaigns, which ended with a £5.4billion cut price sell off.
She said she wanted to open up share ownership to all. But most people who bought shares in the newly-privatised firms sold quickly to make a quick profit. The proportion of shares held by individuals rather than institutions did not actually increase. The legacy: With the family silver sold off, market forces now set the price of essential services. Meanwhile as the City of London got richer on public share sell-offs and massive bonuses for cost-cutting, the Yuppy was born into a "me first" society.
When Thatcher came to power she started a revolution in home ownership by allowing council tenants to buy their own homes. Under the right-to-buy scheme, a discount was given taking into account rent paid over the years. Speculators took advantage of the deals on offer in high demand areas like London and filled their boots by arranging deferred payment deals. The legacy: The disappearance of council homes put great strain on the limited public housing stocks remaining making it harder for poor families to find places to live. And as repossessions soar, there are now 1.7 million desperate people on council house waiting lists.
Thatcher stood for private enterprise, she showed utter contempt for the extra 2 million people she put out of work when she was prime minister. Thatcher's Britain was a place of sink or swim, and the family was seen as life-raft enough. Her government’s promotion of Victorian values, believing if the rich became richer they would give more to the poor and the virtues of home ownership, backed up by its intolerance of more ‘diverse’ lifestyles or family forms I remember the very nasty war on single parents.
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I'm just sickened by it all. You don't have to have liked her. You don't have to have agreed with her decisions. You can think whatever you want of her but please don't slag her off. She is deceased and can not defend herself.
Colwyn, you are saying that I'm "demanding" respect for her. You are wrong. Just give a little thought to the fact that if you, as is possible, as it is for the rest of us, were to pass away tomorrow morning. As you are now, in your conscious state, would you be rejoicing if you were to think that a couple of hours after your death, a lot of your acquaintances were slagging you off and really bad mouthing you? I don't think you would and I would hope that they wouldn't.
As for amca.....I have no words!
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As for amca.....I have no words!
Me? What have I done?
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Other CBF topics are available :D
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If one was to use the fact that the leader of any country was/is considered a great Statesman/women, in order to tear ones hair out, & wear sackcloth & ashes on the death of such a person, surely the demise of Adolf Hitler should be, or should have been, a cause for sadness worldwide, if not, the premise that Thatcher will be lauded in the future as one of the world's greatest political leaders, is a total farce !!!!
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Love her or hate her she will take her place in History as the first British Woman Prime Minister and one that was as tough and maybe tougher than any man. I did not agree with all the things she did, but I had to admire some of her strong decisions. Just like Winston Churchill who was once hated for turning the troops on the Miners and who was voted out after the War, one day in years to come she will be looked up to by future generations as a great Woman and a great leader.
I too am shocked at the comments about her on Facebook which totally took me by surprise.
well said Jacqui.
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Her policies caused me and my family great hardship and very nearly cost me my house.I was an engineering maintenance foreman with ICI on a site that employed approx 12,000 people.within 2 years it was down to a few hundred.All those sacked people had families and commitments.She ripped the heart out of the Midlands engineering tradition and decimated apprenticeships (our future engineers) in order to frighten people still in work to toe the line and not ask for more.So today I will choose to be diplomatic. !!!
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If one was to use the fact that the leader of any country was/is considered a great Statesman/women, in order to tear ones hair out, & wear sackcloth & ashes on the death of such a person, surely the demise of Adolf Hitler should be, or should have been, a cause for sadness worldwide, if not, the premise that Thatcher will be lauded in the future as one of the world's greatest political leaders, is a total farce !!!!
I wondered when you would appear on this topic Gordon. a friend of mine on CBF who happens to be a labour supporter described you as the most obnoxious person he has met, I think he was been rather kind.
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Other CBF topics are available :D
probably not for the next couple of days Scun.
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I'm just sickened by it all. You don't have to have liked her. You don't have to have agreed with her decisions. You can think whatever you want of her but please don't slag her off. She is deceased and can not defend herself.
Sorry... but are you suggesting that we disregard the damage she did to the UK, especially the area known often as "north of Watford"? As far as I can see the contents of this thread have all been fair comment - and that's what an online forum is all about, peoples opinions. You may not like them, or disagree with them, but they have the same right as you to post those opinions.
JF
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I wondered when you would appear on this topic Gordon. a friend of mine on CBF who happens to be a labour supporter described you as the most obnoxious person he has met, I think he was been rather kind.
Blimey Des your friend needs to get out and meet more people :D
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I wondered when you would appear on this topic Gordon. a friend of mine on CBF who happens to be a labour supporter described you as the most obnoxious person he has met, I think he was been rather kind.
Oh dear. It was all going so well until someone started slinging personal abuse.
JF
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Oh trust me, I do. And you certainly don't want to be the subject of it from me.
JF
PS - I noticed you deleted that one pretty quickly.
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Nobody gets out more than Kareokemark Kieth ;)
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I lose the will sometimes
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JohnF, I live very north of Watford and of course I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I just wish that for now at least, when she has only just passed away, that people shouldn't be saying horrid things about her. Can't they save it until she's put to rest. I have negative things I could say about her but I'm not going to voice them today and maybe not at all.
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Don't worry he has broad shoulders and just loves to get a reaction. Yet on this subject I agree with him totally. And to cap it off, it was me that mentioned Adolf Hitler.
I voted for her in 1979, my grandfather a very wise and hard working man who also fought in the WW2 told me that I would live to rue the day, how true his words were to ring in later years.
No tears will be shed.
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Oh dear. It was all going so well until someone started slinging personal abuse.
JF
Yep
And yet again, people take their opinion on someone from what someone else said about them, and broadcast it second hand as their own.
Everything that is wrong with Calis in my opinion.
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Nobody gets out more than Kareokemark Kieth ;)
Your loyalty to the privacy of Karaokemark is impressive Des.
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Desmartinson
I wondered when you would appear on this topic Gordon. a friend of mine on CBF who happens to be a labour supporter described you as the most obnoxious person he has met, I think he was been rather kind.
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So many calls for respect for the dead but none for the living it seems.
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I just wish that for now at least, when she has only just passed away, that people shouldn't be saying horrid things about her.
Dead, alive, what does it matter? When she chose to enter politics she chose to be in the public eye and as a result is fair game. No-one has stated anything that hasn't been said or written about her before.
The irony here is that it is a pro Thatcher poster who has dropped the tone of the thread...
JF
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Because we don't speak ill of the dead. I've nothing more to say on this subject. :(
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Good or bad, the woman made a difference and that sort of tenacity should be applauded. It takes some balls to continue on a path you believe to be right when all around you are baying for your demise.
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How did my name get mentioned Des can not be refering to me, I am not a labour supporter, I voted for Mrs T as i said I spent 12 months on strike, I blamed Scargill for the strike. I am also a great admirer of Tony Blair.
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my mistake mark, must be too many effes
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the woman made a difference and that sort of tenacity should be applauded
Robert Mugabe has made a difference in Zimbabwe. No applause from me.
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That's comparable to the Adolf remark - not the same thing at all.
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As always there is from some quarters the mistake of taking general comments on a person dead or alive as a personal attack against them rather accepting it as the opinion of others.
Respect for others opinions should not provoke petty personal attacks.
Possibly.....
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R.I.P Maggie you were the best since churchill . :(
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Adolf hitler, Fred West, Peter Sutcliff, Mick and Mairead Philpott, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Jimmy Saville (I am running out of ink now) Let us not speak ill of the dead (Ok 3 not yet, unfortunately) do we say RIP for them too? May hell freeze first.
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I am not a labour supporter ... [I am] a great admirer of Tony Blair.
Best post in this section Karoke. I hold a similar view from the opposite direction.
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Other CBF topics are available :D
A nice gentle quiz perhaps ;)
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Or something non-controversial
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Adolf hitler, Fred West, Peter Sutcliff, Mick and Mairead Philpott, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Jimmy Saville (I am running out of ink now) Let us not speak ill of the dead (Ok 3 not yet, unfortunately) do we say RIP for them too? May hell freeze first.
Shame on you for suggesting she is in the same bracket as any one of those!
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If one was to use the fact that the leader of any country was/is considered a great Statesman/women, in order to tear ones hair out, & wear sackcloth & ashes on the death of such a person, surely the demise of Adolf Hitler should be, or should have been, a cause for sadness worldwide, if not, the premise that Thatcher will be lauded in the future as one of the world's greatest political leaders, is a total farce !!!!
I wondered when you would appear on this topic Gordon. a friend of mine on CBF who happens to be a labour supporter described you as the most obnoxious person he has met, I think he was been rather kind.
Uncalled for Des and totally off topic. Perhaps if you had had the pleasure of meeting Gordon and had formed this opinion afterwards you'd have room to talk!
No tears here either
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Well it's about time we called this one a day I think. We are never going to agree on Mrs T. Some hate her, some love her, some want to respect her in death and some want to slag her off.
Last post from me on this.
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Stoop don't go shame on me, I have respect for the people who have not let me down, not the people that have Sh**e on me and my "working class" friends.
Never apologise for me or speak on my behalf.
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Someone earlier mentioned her "saving the Falklands". It's worth remembering that shortly before Argentina invaded the islands Thatcher and her defence minister John Nott sold some of our warships to the Argies to reduce defence spending and at the same time reduced the Royal Navy's patrols in that part of the world from three vessels to one small frigate. So she provided the Argies with the means and the opportunity to invade.The cost of putting that right and retaking the islands in terms of human and financial figures should NEVER be forgotten.It was totally avoidable.Her "boys" bore the cost while her son was getting lost during a rally in the Sahara and being rescued by the RAF.The Belgrano she had destroyed was one of the warships she had sold them.
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Loz - I am not apologising or speaking on your behalf!
I AM SAYING YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR THOSE WORDS!
Understand?
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The Belgrano she had destroyed was one of the warships she had sold them.
Nonsense. The Belgrano was previously the USS Pheonix and was sold to the Argentinians in 1951.
JF
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Again, I am NOT ashamed, and maybe the the persons that think names I posted should also RIP. should they be ashamed?
Reading post and comments in the media, it appears I am not alone and neither in the minority.
Now go pick on someone else and tell them to be ashamed, I am NOT!!!!!
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Politics always brings out the best and the worst in people :).
I was an active trade unionist in the Thatcher years but it doesn't stop me admiring her as a master politician and one who will be remembered by everybody who lived through that period. I can't wait for her official biography to be published. It has been written by Charles Moore, the ex editor of the Daily Telegraph. He has been given access to all her diaries but has not been able to publish until after her death.
RIP Maggie, love her or hate her, she was one in a million and oh how we could do with another like her now to sort out the political mess this country now finds itself in!!!
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Colwyn, Loz, Amca and others of the same opinion, I can only agree wholeheartedly with all your comments and suffice to say the coal she should be shovelling wont be British, more's the shame >:(.
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Loz - this is where problems arise.
Supporters of Margaret Thatcher, and there are many, do not have a problem with others who considered her an ogre.
But when people mention her name in the same breath as the names you sited, then people get upset.
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H - agree totally - well said.
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R.I.P Maggie you were the best since churchill . :(
spot on Lance.
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H, they are all dead, so let us say RIP to them all ;)
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If one was to use the fact that the leader of any country was/is considered a great Statesman/women, in order to tear ones hair out, & wear sackcloth & ashes on the death of such a person, surely the demise of Adolf Hitler should be, or should have been, a cause for sadness worldwide, if not, the premise that Thatcher will be lauded in the future as one of the world's greatest political leaders, is a total farce !!!!
I wondered when you would appear on this topic Gordon. a friend of mine on CBF who happens to be a labour supporter described you as the most obnoxious person he has met, I think he was been rather kind.
Uncalled for Des and totally off topic. Perhaps if you had had the pleasure of meeting Gordon and had formed this opinion afterwards you'd have room to talk!
No tears here either
my opinion Anne. and I stick with it.
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People are of course entitled to their opinion of Mrs Thatcher and dislike her with a passion but the fact that tributes are flowing in from across the globe would suggest to me, at least, that she does not deserve to be bracketted with the likes of Ian Brady.
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Well I celebrate the fact she has gone and as I promised myself many years ago, tonight I am going to have party in celebration of her passing. Dancing on her grave, yes if I get the chance.... I despise the woman and all she stood for. Her political legacy will be judged as economic failure, social and national/regional division, international alienation, and unlike any British government before or since, she/they put conflict as the only way of 'dealing' with those who disagreed with her, invariably leading to the use of the full forces of the state to defeat those who opposed them.
Oh and before any one tells me again what a great job she done winning back the Falklands, just remember which Goverment lost them.... Particularly to a very nasty military junta, that up to a few weeks before the falklands was invaded, had been buying arms from the thatchers Britain!
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Don't worry he has broad shoulders and just loves to get a reaction. .
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Loz I think I might be a tad dyslexic - read that post too quick and thought it said Gordy loves to get a erection ;)
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Oh and before any one tells me again what a great job she done winning back the Falklands, just remember which Goverment lost them.... Particularly to a very nasty military junta, that up to a few weeks before the falklands was invaded, had been buying arms from the thatchers Britain!
Who allegedly still owe the UK around £45m for the above.
JF
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How many times was she re-elected......someone must have liked her at some point?
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Well read them all, of to bed now, last post on the lady, repeat my opinion, the greatest prime minister weve had since Winston. god bless you Maggie, im already looking at flights so I can be there to say goodbye to you, god bless you. rest in peace.
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Apparently it was I who "dropped" the tone of this topic.
I think not!!! Goodnight!!
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If one was to use the fact that the leader of any country was/is considered a great Statesman/women, in order to tear ones hair out, & wear sackcloth & ashes on the death of such a person, surely the demise of Adolf Hitler should be, or should have been, a cause for sadness worldwide, if not, the premise that Thatcher will be lauded in the future as one of the world's greatest political leaders, is a total farce !!!!
I wondered when you would appear on this topic Gordon. a friend of mine on CBF who happens to be a labour supporter described you as the most obnoxious person he has met, I think he was been rather kind.
Totally uncalled for Des. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I don't see why Gordon should be singled out for such a personal attack.
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How many times was she re-elected......someone must have liked her at some point?
She done it every time with a minority (circa 40%) of the uk vote, she knew she only had to appeal to a few thousand voters in the marginal constituencies, invariably in the south, and she would win. and could then ignore both nations and regions that did not support her, or in the case of Scotland use them as guinea pigs for her unpopular policies like the poll tax
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No tears from me either. She took the Great out of Britain, killed our industry and manufacturing - why would anyone revere her?
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Great and fair post Sandgrounder, my father and all my male ancestors were miners, I also worked for a current Conservative MP and yes we really could do with her now, not the dithering lot we have in all of today's parties.
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How many times was she re-elected......someone must have liked her at some point?
She done it every time with a minority (circa 40%) of the uk vote,
How does that compare with Blair's three victories ?
Thatcher wins '79 = 43.9%; '83 = 42.4%; 87 =42.3%
Blair wins '97 = 43.2%; '01 = 40.7% '05 = 35.2%
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Well I can definitely say I was not around when Thatcher was PM, but my parents were not fans of hers living in Scotland throughout some of her time in office. Having also read about the decisions she made, I can say I most likely would not have been a fan either.. to be honest as a student right now with Cameron in charge, no tears will be shed when he finally decides to join satan full-time. Sums up my opinion of the tories really.
Back on topic though, while women are still struggling for the last bits of equality in the working environment, Thatcher was the first female Prime Minister a victory for women and she must of had some fierce level of determination and ambition to make it happen. That is something I can admire, though that's the only thing.
Some of the things I've seen on facebook are a bit too much in my opinion but can also understand that she was loathed by so many and lives were ruined and dramatically changed. My way of seeing things at the moment is that she was a mother and there are some grieving for her tonight.
Just my attempt at being diplomatic in this situation, as I can't really take a side having not been directly affected by her time as PM unlike others who have.
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For one so young, an intelligent, articulate and could probably teach us 'older' members a thing or two, Miss M I commend your post.
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I agree Loz :)
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How many times was she re-elected......someone must have liked her at some point?
She done it every time with a minority (circa 40%) of the uk vote,
How does that compare with Blair's three victories ?
Thatcher wins '79 = 43.9%; '83 = 42.4%; 87 =42.3%
Blair wins '97 = 43.2%; '01 = 40.7% '05 = 35.2%
Not much difference.
And, in other ways, not much difference.
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Definitely wont shed any tears. She never respected my family so don't respect her.
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one tough cookie, i think a lot of people here on merseyside will not miss her
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I wonder how many who are making nasty comments about a lady who has unfortunately died bought their council houses at huge reduction and are now profiting from it.
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I wonder how many who are making nasty comments about a lady who has unfortunately died bought their council houses at huge reduction and are now profiting from it.
Just one of many of her policies which this country is trying to recover from - her politics were the polar opposite of my own politics, and I despise her for them, however, she dared to stand out from the crowd, something I wish our politicians would do now, instead you cant fit a fag paper between them, so for her steadfast belief in what the Conservatives stood for and for being a first woman Prime Minister -RIP Maggie!
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quackers. Her initiative on council house sales was designed to make her popular,it did'nt cost her or her party a penny.Who do you think picked up the bill for those "huge reductions".??
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quackers. Her initiative on council house sales was designed to make her popular,it did'nt cost her or her party a penny.Who do you think picked up the bill for those "huge reductions".??
As easy as selling ten pound notes for a fiver, and the net result is that we now have a national shortage of decent social housing, some legacy
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I thought about the old man last night as he loathed the woman, as did mum. He used to laugh when people said she was a great wartime leader, as the old man was often to ask what did Thatcher do during World War Two? He knew the answer, she was tucked away at Oxford University even though being old enough to serve her country, whist people like him (The old man) served across the world on half a crown a day, and perhaps more importantly as did many working class women like my mum in the ATS, while Thatcher sat it out making her way into the privileged elite.... Some legacy
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She was 14 years old when WW2 started, the same age as my own mother. Still in school!!
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She was 14 years old when WW2 started, the same age as my own mother. Still in school!!
1943 aged 18, still plenty of time to serve, as did many of her contemporaries, but she didn't!!
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I thought about the old man last night as he loathed the woman, as did mum. He used to laugh when people said she was a great wartime leader, as the old man was often to ask what did Thatcher do during World War Two? He knew the answer, she was tucked away at Oxford University even though being old enough to serve her country, whist people like him (The old man) served across the world on half a crown a day, and perhaps more importantly as did many working class women like my mum in the ATS, while Thatcher sat it out making her way into the privileged elite.... Some legacy
Actually she did leave us a legacy, whilst at Uni she was part of the team that invented soft scoop ice cream, "mr whippy" type stuff, another one of those take it or leave it MT type things!
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I know at which University she studied. My mother also went on to University. Some had to have the brains and some the brawn, just the same as now. As for fighting, what did you expect her to do? She was a woman, though with bigger balls than most men I've met in my life. My mother helped out at the WAAF whenever she could, where she met my father who was Lancaster bomber crew. What did your mother do to help the war effort usedbustickets? We can't all have everything and it's a little late now to be able to ask her what she did, if anything.
Ultimately, history will decide whether in the long term she was good for this country or bad. I personally think she did this country a great service and as yesterday, I think it's a little early to slag the woman off. I will now leave this conversation, as I did yesterday because, though I appreciate and accept we all have differing opinions, I found it a little early to be bad mouthing, slagging off...call it what you will, a woman who only passed away in the last 24 hours and has no way to defend herself.
I wish you all a good day and happy arguing.
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She was a woman, though with bigger balls than most men I've met in my life.
Now that surely is the subject for a new thread.
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She was a woman, though with bigger balls than most men I've met in my life.
Now that surely is the subject for a new thread.
Yes, having big balls is ok when dealing with someone else's life.
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Loz - this is where problems arise.
Supporters of Margaret Thatcher, and there are many, do not have a problem with others who considered her an ogre.
But when people mention her name in the same breath as the names you sited, then people get upset.
Well said H! Spot on!
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So, even before I have the chance to leave the house, along come the most argumentative people of all, pick out just one tiny piece of what a person has said and turn it into a contentious issue!!
You must have so very little to do and so very much time to do it in!! How very sad for you!
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Loz - this is where problems arise.
Supporters of Margaret Thatcher, and there are many, do not have a problem with others who considered her an ogre.
But when people mention her name in the same breath as the names you sited, then people get upset.
Have to say that I totally agree with you Highlander.
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I know at which University she studied. My mother also went on to University. Some had to have the brains and some the brawn, just the same as now. As for fighting, what did you expect her to do? She was a woman, though with bigger balls than most men I've met in my life. My mother helped out at the WAAF whenever she could, where she met my father who was Lancaster bomber crew. What did your mother do to help the war effort usedbustickets? We can't all have everything and it's a little late now to be able to ask her what she did, if anything.
Ultimately, history will decide whether in the long term she was good for this country or bad. I personally think she did this country a great service and as yesterday, I think it's a little early to slag the woman off. I will now leave this conversation, as I did yesterday because, though I appreciate and accept we all have differing opinions, I found it a little early to be bad mouthing, slagging off...call it what you will, a woman who only passed away in the last 24 hours and has no way to defend herself.
I wish you all a good day and happy arguing.
Mrs B not sure what has got you all defensive and sensitive about your mother, I didn't even mention her in my response, let alone slag anyone off. I simply conveyed the views of my dear old mum and dad on an aspect of Thatcher.
As to mum's war time record she unfortunately saw plenty of action on London anti aircraft sites as a member of the ATS (army). As they used to say, she more than done her bit.
BTW a top tip for the forum, when you make a comment please don't say that you are now leaving the thread, at least have the good grace to defend or least listen to what others have to say in reply to your comments, particularly when you say something controversial.
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Oh, Hyacinth, you must mean me and/or Tiggsy.
We are the most argumentative, oh really.
Count the number of posts you have made on this topic ..... several of which contain the intention to have no more to say!
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It seems that some people support the principle that any person, including a politician, is deserving of respect when they die. Indeed some believe that no negative comment should be made until they are actually buried. Other people have been highlighting a few of a long list of people to whom this principle would surely not be applied. Why should anyone be upset by that unless they didn't read the posts carefully enough or were simply looking for an opportunity to be offended?
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Usedbustickets, thank you so much for your top tip. I thought I said I was leaving the conversation right then, not the thread. I apologise for not saying that I was going because for those couple of hours I had other matters to attend to. In future I will say exactly what I'm doing, even if I'm just nipping out into the garden or to the bathroom, I don't think! I hope that meets with your approval.
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The thread is getting personal, politics are a subject best avoided on friendly forums.
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I hope that meets with your approval.
I don't know about Usedbustickets but it certainly meets with my approval.
See ......... I am not arguing !
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You are either a child or childish. I shall waste no more of my time conversing with you ever again.
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The thread is getting personal, politics are a subject best avoided on friendly forums.
Possibly - however all the forums that told adults what they could and couldn't discuss are all gone.
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You are either a child or childish. I shall waste no more of my time conversing with you ever again.
Fair enough.
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Anyway,
back to the topic: Margaret Thatcher RIP
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RIH...not RIP!
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I think the topic is possibly as dead as it's subject is. Having reached the age that I have, I'm still shocked that some people can't have a reasonable debate without throwing personal insults into the conversation.
I'm in blissful ignorance as to the gender of said person or the age, but I'd like to bet he/she hasn't come across a life threatening event yet which has made him/her realise how short and how precious this life is.
Yes, she lived, she died and in between that she made mistakes but she also did a lot of good so now she's gone, I agree. RIP.
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People have a right to be offensive and people have the same right to be offended.
Fry is a t****r anyway :)
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They may well have the right to be offensive but if they are, they don't belong in my world! Stephen Fry is so very clever, funny, informative and above all, human!
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I'm still shocked that some people can't have a reasonable debate without throwing personal insults into the conversation.
I am ashamed to say I am lost - who personally insulted you?
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Somebody by the name of amca became too aggressive and downright rude. That's up to him/her, but I reserve my right to stay away. Life's too short.
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I can see neither aggression or rudeness from said member - somebody needs to point it out to me!
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Well, I think he/she was. That's my opinion and I'm not budging.
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I must send you a list of forums never to go on ever :D
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This one for example?? I have laughed so much on here, you wouldn't believe! :D
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Oh I would
If you think this is an aggressive forum you'd be skinned alive on some others :)
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Reading the last few pages has got me wondering who wrote the script ;)
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Sorry for the expletive I'm trying to hide but I would simply tell them to go away, using 2 other words, and I'd leave because life's too short for c**p and arguing. Mine is anyway! :)
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My dander is almost up.
I have never been so insulted.
I am going for a walk around my secure ward.
I may be some time.
Aged 12 ( but nearly 13 )
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In that case, make sure your straitjacket is on and don't lick any windows. Somebody else has to clean them!! :-\
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Teddies and prams !!!!!
Funniest thread in weeks ;D ;D ;D
Every forum needs a straight guy !!!!!
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Thank you to loz and H for your kind words, recently I've found that sometimes it's easier to be a mediator on topics such as this, especially if my knowledge of it isn't as great as others.
Bouquet, I can understand your frustration as Thatcher hasn't been dead long, but either way she still won't be able to defend herself when she's been cremated, or indeed in many many years to come when people look back and try to decide an opinion on her. Some of the decisions she made had such a big impact and change on peoples lives that she always be a bad political figure, regardless of whether she ill, lonely etc. She was a controversial figure when alive, it certainly won't stop now she's dead and most won't let that affect the way they saw her.
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In that case, make sure your straitjacket is on and don't lick any windows. Somebody else has to clean them!! :-\
I'm sorry, but I find this post extremely offensive. There are unfortunate souls who through illness have to be restrained and the implication of licking windows... well I say!
JF
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How did this thread get to be all about Mrs HB? I have been off for a check-up down at the Eye Hospital for the last several hours (I have a season ticket there) and I hoped that, by now, there would be some interesting alternative views on last evening's street parties celebrating the death and various views of what public participation will be like next Wednesday. Might have been interesting. Instead it is another tour of HB's self-obsession.
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Thank you Miss.M. they are very sensible words and as I'm sure I said before, history will judge her. In any case, I don't think any of us are here on earth as judge or jury. It is not our right.
As for the other comment.....enough have been thrown at me which I found offensive. What about those?
I really am becoming most bored with it now and would much rather be on another thread.......laughing!!
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I'm self obsessed Colwyn?? Do one!!!!
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Colwyn, this may not what you were hoping for but it does say something about public reaction.
The last time I looked at this site, there was a new entry in the Top 20.
http://snkhan.co.uk/stuff/iTunes.php
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I was shocked to see Duke Dumont at number 1 in that list.
Then I realised it's not the old boy from the Barron Knights.
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Colwyn, this may not what you were hoping for but it does say something about public reaction.
All these folks getting appropriate playlists ready for next week...
JF
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I was shocked to see Duke Dumont at number 1 in that list.
Then I realised it's not the old boy from the Barron Knights.
Barron Knights' Duke D'Mond dies, aged 66
Published Friday, Apr 24 2009, 12:44 BST
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Show some respect.
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I'm self obsessed Colwyn?? Do one!!!!
I agree with wise old Colwyn, does that mean I get to do one too?
JF
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Their Bouquet List
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Affirmative!!!
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Barron Knights' Duke D'Mond dies, aged 66
Published Friday, Apr 24 2009, 12:44 BST
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Show some respect.
Apologies, I knew he'd had a bit of aggro.
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I'm self obsessed Colwyn?? Do one!!!!
I agree with wise old Colwyn, does that mean I get to do one too?
JF
Super. Just had it confirmed that I can most definitely do one too.
Well, that's me made up for the rest of the afternoon - anyone else interesting died recently?
JF
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Anyone know the price of Efes at the moment or what the temperature will be in September?
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Troublemaker!
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Anyone know the price of Efes at the moment or what the temperature will be in September?
Yes I do but I am trying to keep the discussion 'On Topic' and respectful.
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It would be brilliant if the Queen died soon and we could chat about her.
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How about a CBF deadpool with a portion of the stake/profit heading off to charity?
We could do one with new members too...
JF
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Well, this is definitely two cups of coffee to catch up.......if I don't spill it laughing at you all - hilarious!
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How about a CBF deadpool with a portion of the stake/profit heading off to charity?
We could do one with new members too...
JF
Is that like a "who's popping their clogs next" competition?
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I'm betting on Scargill - he's been a bit quiet since yesterday.
Then again there was a big scare for the Cher fans:
"#justheardthatcherisdead" was read wronlgy on twitter and they all went loopy!
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That deserves a Jimmy Carr/Marggie type laugh.....hahahahaaaaaaaaa ;D ;D
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It's totally true though! A Cher spokesman said she was not amused by it all.
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I hoped that, by now, there would be some interesting alternative views on last evening's street parties celebrating the death and various views of what public participation will be like next Wednesday. Might have been interesting. Instead it is another tour of HB's self-obsession.
Well, next Wednesday I shall be going to work just as I do every Wednesday. I was no fan of MT and I feel no obligation suddenly to pretend that I was just because she's dead.
Reminds me of a Not the Nine O'Clock News Sketch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17VzztS60M
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Well, next Wednesday I shall be going to work just as I do every Wednesday. I was no fan of MT and I feel no obligation suddenly to pretend that I was just because she's dead.
Reminds me of a Not the Nine O'Clock News Sketch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17VzztS60M
;)
I don't think anyone is making it obligatory to attend or watch from afar.
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Thanks SP, I remember the sketch.
It seems it won't be a public holiday. After all it is not something important like a member of the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg family getting married is it?
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Isn't that the lager you buy from Aldi?
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Mrs bucket has'nt been on this page. You don't think-------------------? :'( :'(
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Isn't that the lager you buy from Aldi?
Aldi? My dear boy I'll have you know I buy my German lagers from Lidl.
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I always confuse those two :D
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Never thought it would be a public holiday! She asked not to have a State funeral.
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Anyone for a Mr Whippy?
RIP Maggie, Lance had it spot on back on about page 5!
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Because that would have required a vote in parliament I expect Stoop. Bit of a risk... The only real difference is that the gun carriage will be drawn by horses instead of sailors so it wasn't the noble act people seem to be thinking. There was talk yesterday of a national holiday but it was just speculation I think.
8 million is the lastest estimate of the cost of her funeral.
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Where's Mrs Bucket gone?
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Blimey when I went off line after my last - balanced and even handed - post to Mrs Bucket, I never expected on my return to see so much -figurative - blood on the forum carpet. I've had a real laugh, even if many of the posts are off topic. So back to the topic, is Mrs Bucket as mad as old Thatcher in her day? :P
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Never thought it would be a public holiday! She asked not to have a State funeral.
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"SHE" asked not to have a state funeral, thats a relief then, and there was me worried that the great British Tax Payer was doing her a dishonour.
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You, collectively, are a set of the most evil b*****ds I have ever come across in my life!!
If this is Turkey, you can stick it!!!!
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Have a nice day, missing you already...
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You, collectively, are a set of the most evil b*****ds I have ever come across in my life!!
Fair enough.
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Since posting this link several hours ago there has been a change.
http://snkhan.co.uk/stuff/iTunes.php
Dorothy seems to have more friends than Maggie.
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The scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned!
Have you really nothing better to do? If not, I feel so very sorry for your sad lives!
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Trouble is, the saddos buying the I Tune are actually paying money for it so Mrs T is still costing them money even after her death!
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The scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned!
Have you really nothing better to do? If not, I feel so very sorry for your sad lives!
Take a chill pill Mrs B! One feels it maybe you who has nothing better to do. If I was being crucified on a forum I would simply move away and go and do something else ;)
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The scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned!
Have you really nothing better to do? If not, I feel so very sorry for your sad lives!
apparently you haven't....... Hasta la vista baby
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Actually I have. I've been away for almost 2 hours and come back to find even more ****e written about me. You sad creatures! Maybe you need educating!
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And I bet you could teach us a thing or two,eh Mrs Bucket. My god are you sure your not--------nah cant be.
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Rushing towards the
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Sadly this has gone way past praising our greatest PM since Churchill/the most evil old cow in British history and with regret, can't continue this way.
Nobody regrets a locked topic more than I.