Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Turkey Discussion Forum (Not Calis specifically) => Topic started by: Sleuth on June 01, 2013, 06:40:06 AM
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I have a friend in Istanbul who is saying the current protests ( anti Erdogan ) ... she said it is quite frightening and very disturbing right now .. read more detail on Reuters biggest ` blood and tears ` protests for years >:(
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These protests are not just in Istanbul, they have spread countrywide. Turkish press are not allowed/will not publicise the events, CNN Aljazeeras are following events.
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The presidential elections next year and parliamentary elections in 2015 should be interesting.
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I found this article in Reuters NewsPro. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE94U0J920130601
Sent from my iPad
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Live view here http://livestream.com/revoltistanbul #Occupy you can also see a lot more articles and photos on this FB page
http://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt
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Just been watching it on the news,the police are giving the demonstrators some aggro,
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There will be a peaceful protest tonight in Fethiye 6pm in the public square in Fethiye
http://www.facebook.com/events/577314925633228/
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A little bit of support!!
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If that is from this morning they were blocked off and tear gassed to disperse
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The title of this topic is wrong. It's not an anti Turkish government protest but it's an anti AKP and anti Tayyip protest.
It started out with a peaceful demonstration against the building plans to turn a small park into a shopping mall but it has progressed. It's not about a park anymore. It's about Tayyip Erdogan, the AKP and all that has happened in the last months.
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The main opposition party, CHP, has said all its deputies will march from Besiktas to Taxim. One report on Aljezeera says they are hoping for 100,000 supporters to join them.
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An interesting read: http://www.todayszaman.com/blogNewsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=317088
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This text says it all:
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An estimated 50.000 people are on the way from Besiktas towards Taksim.
Halk TV is broadcasting online http://www.canlitelevizyonlar.net/halk-tv-izle.html
Rumours are that Agent Orange has been used today.
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I heard that yesterday the protests in Instanbul were 2nd highest trending on Twitter. Around the world people are shocked and saddened by the brutality of the police.
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Estimated 1 million people on and around Taksim. An important day for Turkey. I don't understand why this thread is so quiet.
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Its not quiet in our drum, we have been talking about it all day. Maybe folk are frightened to express an opinion. We are guests in their country and have been given permission to live and buy property here. It can so easily be taken away.
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Dutchie,
It's quiet because its nothing that wasn't expected by many and its worrying for those of us who own property there.
... And it's Cobra time ;)
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I don't understand why this thread is so quiet.
What is there to be said Dutchie ?
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I just can't understand why 20 people post about facebook not working properly in two hours whereas this thread is quiet.
History is being made today.
I'm a foreigner and I have property here but that's not a reason for me to be quiet.
I have spoken out (written) many times in the past about the appalling way Erdogan and AKP are ruling this country.
I sincerely hope that this government will come to an end soon.
I have a daughter who will grow up in this country and I want her to be able to act in any way she wants.
Wear the clothes that she wants, speak her mind when she wants, express her opinons when she wants.
I don't want her to be silenced by a political party.
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Dutchie
Surely forum members are exercising the rights you wish for your daughter
"express her opinons when she wants".
Perhaps, on this ocassion they do not want to.
I suspect that many, many members have an opinion on the murder of Lee Rigby but they have decided not to express it on here
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When you have nothing useful to say, say nothing. Charles Caleb Colton
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I don't think that the murder of Lee Rigby is related to a forum about Calis/Turkey.
Apparently people are not speaking out because of fear what might happen to their residency permits and their properties.
In my opinion foreigners should fear for their rights/properties with the current government. It's a known fact that Erdogan doesn't want foreigners, that he doesn't want tourism, that he doesn't want alcohol, etc, etc.
He wants to turn Turkey into a religious state with the sharia instead of a constitution.
But maybe I'm wrong and are the members on this forum more concerned about Facebook and Efes than the current developments.
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"I sincerely hope that this government will come to an end soon.
I have a daughter who will grow up in this country and I want her to be able to act in any way she wants.
Wear the clothes that she wants, speak her mind when she wants, express her opinons when she wants.
I don't want her to be silenced by a political party."
Then why move to a country where you have no vote and therefore no say in what happens?
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Do I really have to defend myself for living here?
When I came here, 17 years ago, things were different.
A lot different.
I'm convinced that the Turkish people will not put up with Erdogan much longer.
And if that isn't the case, and if Turkey does turn into a religious state, I will be leaving.
But I will only do that as a last option. I don't want to uproot my daughter.
This is her land. She was born here and she is a Turkish citizen.
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"Do I really have to defend myself for living here? "
No you don't! Just as those not posting do not.
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You are asking me why I chose to live in a country in which I couldn't vote. A direct question in which I more or less have to "defend" myself otherwise I will look like a fool.
I feel like I'm the one on trial just because I expressed my surprise about this thread being so quiet.
That was a general question. I have not asked a single member why they haven't posted here so have not "attacked" anybody.
I was wondering whether people didn't realize what was/is going or whether they don't care. The idea that people weren't posting out of fear, hadn't even entered my mind.
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But maybe I'm wrong and are the members on this forum more concerned about Facebook and Efes than the current developments.
I am very concerned about the current developments but feel without more knowledge I can only make the standard comments about how awful it is and how I wish the people of Turkey well - I didn't feel that particular sentiment justified a post in it's own right. That doesn't mean I am not interested. The opposite applies - I am busy reading about it, including other people's opinions, in order to try and form my own.
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Let's move on and get back on topic. No offence meant Dutchie :)
We all want back the Turkey we fell in love with I think?
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No offence taken.
It's just awful what has happened the last days. People have died and it hasn't been mentioned in the mainstream media. Censorship once more.
I hope that this will be the end and that Turkey will indeed return to the place it used to be.
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Not completely on topic but related, two or three days ago my husband was approached by the zabita to fill in a questionnaire. There were all kinds of questions which were, although not all directly, asking his opnion of AKP.
Interesting bit...he had to fill in his name and telephone number as well.
Unbelievable.
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In view of whats happening in Turkey and the latest advice from the government with regards to Brits going there, we are due to go to calis next Thursday, and our nearest and dearest are worried. I personally have no such concerns, but would be interested in other opinions as to the risks to 2 single, mature ladies?
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Waiters ?
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Waiters ?
Especially those that promise to love you forever or until they get a UK Visa (whichever comes first ;)).
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It seems to have spread overnight. Just seen it on AlJezera news.
I wouldn't worry too much going to Calis but if you see any large gatherings or demonstrations the FO advice is to keep well clear.
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if you see any large gatherings or demonstrations the FO advice is to keep well clear.
Yok Bok Sherlock, and there was me thinking that I should join in so that I could liven up the thread for Dutchie ! :)
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Yok Bok Sherlock, and there was me thinking that I should join in so that I could liven up the thread for Dutchie ! :)
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Feel free to join in if you want ;)
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Don't worry Stoop, I'm having my own silent dirty protest. ;)
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Thank you all for advice, will stay away from any large gatherings!! unless they are all young, fit waiters!
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The posts on this topic from Dutchie are spot on, in my opinion.
I moved from Fethiye to Didim last year and chatting with both
old & younger Turkish people last night, they are also concerned
for the future of Turkey and their families, especially younger members.
Some of them were also watching the Aljezera coverage (like me)
and agreed it was far more in-depth, to the point and truthful,
compared to Turkish news coverage.
Some of the laws the AK party seem to want to implement are
simply draconian, so yes Dutchie.....I agree with you, perhaps people
need to realise exactly what COULD happen in Turkey within perhaps
just a few years time.
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It is the duty of the opposition parties to get their acts together, stop squabbling amongst themselves and put forward a coherent policy for the country. Then , maybe, the AK parti can be voted out by the Turkish electorate.
A few expats here in Turkey attending demonstrations or people in London and other parts of the world mobbing Turkish Embassies will have very little effect on this or any Turkish Government.
If previous governments had cared about the poorer and neglected parts of the country then the AK parti would not have been able to get such an iron grip on parliament.
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Thanks for your post Col.
For a lot of Turkish people, and for me as well, it has reached the point that they say "enough".
So many new laws has been implemented or proposed. The new 4+4+4 school system (so children can starts imam hatip schools at an earlier age), the removal of TC from government buildings, the new alcohol laws, the law related abortion, the advice to have three children per family, the cancelling of alcoholic drinks on domestic THY flights, the ban on bright coloured lipstick for THY hostesses, the proposed ankle lenght new uniform for THY hostesses...the list is endless.
All of this with just one goal...turning Turkey slowly slowly into a religious state. People are fed up and want their freedom back.
Erdogan has made a big mistake. Three people died during the clashes but the media was silence. Nothing was mentioned because of censorship. If it hadn't been for social media, we wouldn't have known.
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You're right Apollo. And it's true that Erdogan has made a lot of economical improvements. It's just too bad he has a hidden agenda. But that agenda isn't hidden anymore so I think (read: hope) that his days are numbered.
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Some of us have been saying for quite a while that this government is looking East rather than West. Unfortunately we are unable to change this and no number of posts on here will change it either. It's up to the people of Turkey to decide.
Yes it's worrying and I guess even more so for those who have made their lives there - but all we can do is watch and hope.
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The map of 2011 election results shows the political problem for opponents of the AKP. There are some MPs elected as "Independent" (actually nominated by the Democracy and Society Party who were not qualified to stand candidates under the party's banner) and representing Eastern constituencies. There are MPs for the leading opposition party (CHP) mostly in the Western coastal provinces and in the European-side provinces. But most of the vast tracts of Anatolia are solidly AKP who even controlled Istanbul. Since most of us visit the S.W. tourist areas we can get a false impression of the liberal westward looking nature of the Turkish population. Mugla province, I have been told, is an especially strong radical republican area.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/ColwynJones/TurkeyPoliticsMap_zpsddd302cd.png)
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The map of the election results clearly shows the extent of the challenges for the opposition parties. For some reason, they seem to be incapable of addressing the issue.
A factor which may have influenced the drive to the east is the EU ,in effect , closing the doors to Turkey's membership. The AK Parti , after years of negotiating by previous governments, appear to have been the only party to move the application on.
A couple of years ago Ahmet Davutoğlu ,in an interview with Al Jazeera, said that if Europe does not want us then we will form trade and cultural alliances with our neighbours in the east.
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I think the map of the election results give a false impression. It looks as if the biggest part of Turkey has voted for the AKP but that's not true. Yes, in the yellow provinces AKP was the biggest party but over all AKP got just under 50 percent of the votes.
Of course a high figure but not nearly as high as would you expect looking at this map.
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I think the map of the election results give a false impression. It looks as if the biggest part of Turkey has voted for the AKP but that's not true. Yes, in the yellow provinces AKP was the biggest party but over all AKP got just under 50 percent of the votes.
Of course a high figure but not nearly as high as would you expect looking at this map.
And after the 2014 elections, perhaps far less yellow!!!!
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Found this on Facebook. Around Taksim Square, Istanbul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQkBqJ6nTcE&feature=share
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My take on things.
Erdogan has been in power far too long and has gotten too comfortable and removed the best parts of the opposition and those generals that could have been a problem for him. Just like any leader that is in charge for 10 plus years, they start to get comfortable and think they know best (remember Thatcher). Erdogan and his family and closest friends are making a fortune (his son owns all the sweet corn stands you see around as well as an oil tanker and his wife owns the karafirin chain).
The police have gotten far too much power and their behaviour over the last few days is nothing new. They have a policy of shooting gas into anything that mildly upsets them or to what they dont like. I myself have been on the receiving end of police brutality on a few occasions with the last being a couple of years ago when I was trying to park my car outside my office and got my car shot at by a cs gas canister that went through my radiator and set my car on fire whilst I was still in it. I still have the photos of the copper taking aim at me and some of you may remember me appearing on show tv news as this happened. I got my car fixed and paid for by the police but only after I signed a waiver to say I would not be taking any further action against the police.
in my opinion the police need to be held accountable for and punished. There are many videos posted in the last few days of police committing several barbaric acts like shooting gas through peoples living room windows, shooting someone in the head then celebrating with his friends like he just scored a goal, ramming fellow drivers off the road, using their water cannon trucks to run people over and so on and so forth.
The big problem here is there is no suitable person to take over and this will most likely just fizzle out. I cant see another 1997 happening either as most of the key generals are either sacked or in jail for the sledgehammer scandal.
I feel for the Turkish people and wish them luck.
Now I have to go for more pressing matters which is to stop a group of monkeys from raiding my bin every morning
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My take on things.
Erdogan has been in power far too long and has gotten too comfortable and removed the best parts of the opposition and those generals that could have been a problem for him. Just like any leader that is in charge for 10 plus years, they start to get comfortable and think they know best (remember Thatcher). Erdogan and his family and closest friends are making a fortune (his son owns all the sweet corn stands you see around as well as an oil tanker and his wife owns the karafirin chain).
The police have gotten far too much power and their behaviour over the last few days is nothing new. They have a policy of shooting gas into anything that mildly upsets them or to what they dont like. I myself have been on the receiving end of police brutality on a few occasions with the last being a couple of years ago when I was trying to park my car outside my office and got my car shot at by a cs gas canister that went through my radiator and set my car on fire whilst I was still in it. I still have the photos of the copper taking aim at me and some of you may remember me appearing on show tv news as this happened. I got my car fixed and paid for by the police but only after I signed a waiver to say I would not be taking any further action against the police.
in my opinion the police need to be held accountable for and punished. There are many videos posted in the last few days of police committing several barbaric acts like shooting gas through peoples living room windows, shooting someone in the head then celebrating with his friends like he just scored a goal, ramming fellow drivers off the road, using their water cannon trucks to run people over and so on and so forth.
The big problem here is there is no suitable person to take over and this will most likely just fizzle out. I cant see another 1997 happening either as most of the key generals are either sacked or in jail for the sledgehammer scandal.
I feel for the Turkish people and wish them luck.
Now I have to go for more pressing matters which is to stop a group of monkeys from raiding my bin every morning
Excellent post. I have seen such clips on Aljezera and RT news......only.