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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: bewva on January 07, 2014, 21:18:33 PM
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Just watched this program that was on last night.
99 houses in 1 street and 90% claim benefits. The place is a complete sh1t tip and none of them want to work.
Funny (not) how some of them have Iphones and big plasma tellys
What chance have the kids got being brought up in this environment.
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I have not watched this program, so not able to comment, but my niece who is a single mother of 32 with two teenagers did, she is on benefits and now as the girls are older is back at college study psychology with a view to turning her life around, she posted the comments from the following link and commented, as I could not put it any better this is the link and her quote, got me thinking.
http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/01/06/threats-of-death-and-violence-after-channel-4-programme-benefits-street/
Karens comment.
I actually detest the ignorance of these sheep like people more than I dislike the sometimes deviant ways of the poor of this country.
Since when was it socially acceptable to make actual death threats and incite violence in this country? (But it's OK as they are directed at the "scum" of this country?)
That programme did it's proposed job very well and helped make the employed/well off of this country hate the unemployed even more, to the point of these disturbing posts and tweets.
All so the government can justify making even more welfare cuts to an already poor and desperate situation and line their filthy rich pockets some more.
Did anyone actually notice how in the programme it stated at the start that only a small number of folk were employed on that whole street? Why were THOSE folk not interviewed? Why were we not shown inside THEIR homes, the ones who are trying to work their way out of poverty?
I struggle to understand why this blatant bashing is allowed to go on, come on Britain wake the up! It's not 'Great Britain' anymore, it's 'Hate Britain'!
Like I said before, Cameron and his coven need to be stopped.
and this was a point of view from a younger generation, it certainly gave me food for thought.
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Well said Karen! Good to hear the voice of our youth telling it like it is :)
Natural evolution is based on the needs of the people & the type of society they wanted to achieve & the rules & culture they want to live by.
Massive changes have taken place in the UK over the last 50/60 years, but more relevant to the present unrest/unease are the migration changes that have been politically engineered & implemented since 1974, now culminating in an open door policy with no or, very few safeguards!
It can't be in any way compared to the TV Doc 'Benefits Street' or the real situation/problem we are all facing now. I don't recognise this scenario, it's not the 'status quo' I grew up with or, the status quo I see around me today. I'll be interested to see who/what they highlight in next weeks episode as I felt last nights program was very biased & engineered to (yet again) make it 'look' like the people they filmed are typical of 'everybody in receipt of benefits', it could almost be viewed as a 'Racist' view. The protagonists were with one or two exceptions not, I feel 'representative'!
Some people will always be scum-bags, thieves etc, but it's how a society deals with them that causes the problems we are seeing now..... It's also about not automatically writing them off or tarring everybody with the same brush, many of those without a decent start in life can become good, honest, hard-working individuals with the right input in their lives.
Put simplistically, 'good - role models, decent education, housing & career/training opportunity's' are lacking in our now overcrowded & (politically engineered) culturally diluted society. Divide & rule creates a 'dog eat dog' culture.
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I agree with Karen.
I have already seen a petition to stop more of this series being shown for inciting hatred.
It's a common government/media tactic to create scapegoats for the problems in society and with the economy. Except that as it is private debt (financial services: mortgages, credit card, loans) not public debt that caused the crisis it is ironic that those that rely on the support of the public sector are being made to pay.
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You have to ask yourself, what was in it for a guy to be filmed, for national television, on a bus removing the security tags from clothes he had just stolen from a shop?
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I haven't watched the programme and I won't be watching it.
My understanding is that someone given access to funding and airtime has produced a piece of sensationalist, hate mongering nonsense that would have proudly sat as a 2 page spread in The Daily Mail.
Do you believe everything you read on the internet? Why do you believe everything you see on TV?
Please, question everything, don't just gormlessly accept and this country might just stand a chance.
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I left the UK because of Blair and Brown, but if I was there now I would certainly leave because of two people called Cameron and Clegg. but then what choice would we get? Ed Milliband or Clegg? If Labour had not sadly lost a great leader in John Smith perhaps we would have seen a different Britain today.
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Where do they get these people from to appear in these programmes, like embarrassing bodies, and this latest nonsense masquerading as a serious journalistic or medical programme? Where's the balance... No that's right there ain't any.
It's another generalised attack on the working class, like the term Chav, cannot understand how people can believe everything they see on telly or read in hate journals like the Daily Nazi or Scum.
Imagine the fuss if they made a programme called Windsor Street and only visited the homes of say Duchess of Kent or Sarah Ferguson and tried to extrapolate their lives into a sweeping attack on the Royal Family.....
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[/quote] I left the UK because of Blair and Brown
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And came to a country with a very nice man leading the nation? Come on Des the reason you left the UK to live in Turkey was more for positive reasons, than the simplistic negative reasons of a dislike for two political leaders.
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Here's another question for members, following this programme...
Would you, if circumstances became desperate for you financially - steal, or shoplift, to feed your children?
I'll start - yes.
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I've not seen the program but my question would be "How many of the 90% are attempting to get work and get themselves off benefits?"
This is the sort of question these tv makers should be asking. What help are they being offered (if any) and are they accepting it or not?
I find most of these programs very one sided and let's face it - TV is there to attract viewers and sensational stories are the best way.
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I see the "Quote Fairy" is out again ;)
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And none of it even related to the post. I have removed it :D
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I did not loose any sleep last night yet it still has me thinking. The CBF on Facebook has someone jumping when I posted this from Karen my niece. the 2 have posted condemning the young and tarring them all with the same brush, one is saying there are jobs picking veg in fields that the migrant workers take on, the other is upset (rightly so) that she and her husband are suffering at the hands of the system and feels that the young are to blame. I am not writing it again so will copy it here.
Now the migrant veg pickers, we are surrounded by these fields and see the pickers picked up and dropped off. We also see them arrested, the farmers do not advertise these positions, a contact is made through an agent, not usually a tax paying agent but someone who gets a cut, the farmer is happy as he does not pay tax or NI, he does however keep a skeletal staff " on the books" the migrant workers take there money (no tax) and then hop back when they have enough to their own countries, or stay here and still no tax paid. The ones that return home abroad, then encounter my friend at border control, when they can not produce how they earned the money or provide proof that they paid tax the money is confiscated. vicious vicious circle. we are now seeing many UK citizens working the fields, but of course the news will not report this as there is no shock factor, or maybe there is. Pat I feel for you, and genuinely sorry for what you are going through, again it has taken my niece to open my eyes to the way the media deal with matters regarding youth benefits etc her friends trying to better themselves, and their opinions, they are taking jobs but get laid off after a short period as the rules of this government are for the employer (another thing I learned) if the employer takes them on and then releases them after a certain time-scale there is no comeback on the employer to pay any monies for unemployment or holidays. Apprenticeships, read this https://www.gov.uk/apprenticeships-guide/pay-and-holidays (https://www.gov.uk/apprenticeships-guide/pay-and-holidays) £2.68 per hour and not on the minimum wage until 19yrs of age, to give them incentive why not give them the minimum wage at the start? after all they can fight and give their lives for queen and country. The younger generation see bankers getting £m's in bonus for doind a bad job, Camerons hairdresser getting an MBE honours for cutting his hair, I can see their point when blaming governments not just Condems we are at the moment breeding a generation of young despondents, racists etc. another generation and what will it be, I could quite easily put it to one side and use the saying I will not be here anyway, yet I look at these youngsters and wonder what is install for them.
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I'd have been interested to see the few on the street who did work and hear their views on their neighbours
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Firstly, to answer Scunner, Yes without a doubt although never from someone who would suffer a hardship as a result.
As stated, the question is whether they are actively looking for work and have any intention of taking it if offered. I think the programme failed to distinguish between the two. I have the utmost sympathy for those who would do anything to become self sufficient and not reliant upon benefits. On the other hand I have nothing but contempt for those who are milking the system for everything they can and have no intention of finding work.
I am aware the government introduced a system where those long term on job seekers would have their benefits cut unless they took voluntary work. Anyone know any more about that and if it works? It makes you wonder why the subjects of this programme weren't forced down this road?
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In answer to the "Scunner" survey of course the answer would be yes :( your family must come before any moral nicety :o
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If you can answer honestly, that you would act illegally if the circumstances required, then it is very difficult to condemn the people in this programme. That's the basis of it, mixed with a cycle that makes it 'normal'. Sons followed fathers followed grandfathers down the pit - and in some of those areas it is like "Benefits Street" today - just a different role to follow.
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Would you, if circumstances became desperate for you financially - steal, or shoplift, to feed your children?
Yes !
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I think the answer has to be yes.
I would also do ANY job to earn money to feed my family.
Given tho choice of dole or picking veg then I would be in the field.
I have nothing against genuine claimants, its the people with nothing wrong with them fiddling incapacity etc that really miff me.
One couple on the program were bleating because they had had their benefits stopped because they were fraudulently claiming £1500 / month and got caught.
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I reckon theres infinitely more dosh stolen by tax fiddles, stock exchange frauds and other rackets by the chinless wonders in society than the odd window cleaner doing the double.
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I thought this may interest you all:
Stephen Smith aka Smoggy from Benefits Street has been offered three jobs following the first episode of the controversial series.
Benefits Street is a five-part series which focuses on the residents of James Turner Street in Winson Green. The first episode was shown on Channel 4 on Monday night (06/01).
Stephen, aged 38, impressed bosses and viewers with his 50p idea on Monday night.
The 50p idea was born during a four months sentence in Birmingham Prison (formally known as Winson Green Prison) for a “petty” crime in 2011.
He, said: "I worked as a cleaner when I was inside, People asked for things like soap that I would sell for a smoke. My time in prison was a reality check but it gave me to time to reflect. I was locked up for something really petty which I regret. But they say things happen for a reason, If I had not gone to jail I would not have come up with the 50p idea."
He, added: "Three companies have contacted me through Channel 4. I think the first one, delivering food for a distribution company, is the one I want to go for."