Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: loz on March 09, 2014, 17:56:32 PM
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I have just read that Fethiye is having Protest and reporting smashed windows etc... any news on this?
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Ooops our posts overlapped. I've posted a video and a link explaining what it's about.
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I have just found this video
http://www.dha.com.tr/dhavideogaleri.asp?vid=618398 (http://www.dha.com.tr/dhavideogaleri.asp?vid=618398) The Mayor has ordered the banner to be covered,
News in English
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/hdp-office-attacked-in-southern-town-of-fethiye-in-latest-assault-on-party.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63355&NewsCatID=341 (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/hdp-office-attacked-in-southern-town-of-fethiye-in-latest-assault-on-party.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63355&NewsCatID=341)
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The signage was taken down and replaced with Turkish flag.
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Thanks for posting Linda I saw something on fb but could not access the video lets hope it all calms down soon...
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Disgusting and sadly shows whats just under the surface for some
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Hopefully, an isolated attack on one political office, hopefully that will be it. Although FB reports of Polis in riot gear in Tasyaka and pastane trashed... Hopefully just rumour mill, will post from reliable sources if any more news.
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Toma and tear gas in Tasyaka :(
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Just heard from friends in Deliktas saying they believe the media is making it sound far worse than it is.
Lots of young men driving around the area and being noisy.
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Strange the way the video was removed from F.B.??? Glad it's on CBF so we can all see it.
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From a friend.....
They're running riot down my street, stones,bricks and batons. I went to save my car and drive it away but my neighbours told me to go inside away from the tear gas. I'm staying in the house, but it's a madhouse outside! It started by them throwing a bomb in the patisserie because they are Kurdish - it's a racist attack for sure! I bloody shaking and don't think this is going to be over tonight
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That sounds awful. Do hope your friend is okay. Glad they didn't go outside.
Come on Fethiye. You're better than this. >:(
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https://www.facebook.com/stevi.jones.3/posts/10152293698434306
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What's scary is how quickly something can escalate. Not sure if the link above will work, but it's a video showing all the protestors outside Oz Izmir patisserie, so many police and a Toma.
Let's hope it's resolved peacefully and is over soon.
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What's a Toma?
And the link doesn't work, I'm afraid.
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Thought that might be the case, link works for me, but I'm on the posters friends list.
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Omg really hope your friend and everyone else in Tasyaka is ok and it all ends soon :(the video also said unavailable to me...
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A Toma is a large water cannon vehicle... Big white things that have been all over the news in Istanbul, Ankara , Antalya and Izmir recently. I was naive enough to think Fethiye didnt have any!
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Checked Google and a Toma is one of those horrible water cannon vehicles.
Friends in Deliktas saying it is very noisy but apart from the young men out on the streets, everyone else is being quite calm.
Just hope there are no casualties and testosterone gives way to common sense.
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I have a friend living in the middle of this. This is a lot worse than it sounds. Tear gas. Riot police etc.. Loads of police. She is really scared....
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Having seen a video, one word springs to mind - frightening :(
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Just to put everyone in the picture. THIS WAS NO MINOR DISBURBANCE!! I'm living on the front line where this has been going on for two solid hours. Mobs (near on 300-400) running outside my door away from the tear gas, bottles being thrown as well as rocks. I went down to drive my car away before that got damaged but was pulled back by my neighbour telling us all to go inside. The whole place was thick with tear gas and I'm feeling the effects. It's been terrifying and I'm still shaking. No hope of sleep tonight as the mob keep regrouping. They are chanting and provoking the riot police who are protecting the bakery that they bombed earlier while rescue and repair work carries on. Yes you will read about it no doubt, but I've experienced it, so please don't second guess and rely on hearsay. BTW Deliktas is NOT where it's happening. It's on the Olu Deniz Road
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So sorry to hear that.
Hope it's so over.
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Thank you John. The majority of the mob have moved away now - just a grouping of the usual voyeurs who have never seen so much excitement in their lives and want to keep the momentum going. I have throughout, as many people who know me, been a sympathiser of the peaceful demonstrations we have seen in Istanbul ending in bullying, violence and death by riot police, but tonight this was no peaceful demonstration, it was an out and out racist lynchmob attack and the police did well the contain the mob, not that I agree with the use of tear gas. The bombing and fire was horrendous. I have my own opinion of how this was fuelled - let's say these young men you could well see any other time in the Fethiyespor Stadium - they are supporters of just more than football and I think they have an alligence with their provider.
It's going to be a long night and not such a restful sleep for me.
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Please stay safe. And please, I wasn't try to play down the disturbance, I was just repeating what a friend and resident had told me.
I can totally understand how frightening and shocking it has been for you and I hope it is now coming to an end and you and your neighbours are safe.
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What on Earth is happening? Someone has just posted the following
""Does anyone live by the shell petrol station in fethiye can hear lots of shots being fired""
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""Does anyone live by shell petrol station in akacra area I can hear lots of shots being fired""
I hope this is not meaning it is now heading for Gunlukbasi.
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This is a very worrying situation. I have just seen images on F.C. and it look bad.
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Just heard from a friend in Gunlukbasi! Tear gas and shots being fired
In his street! So sorry for all of you experiencing this.
It must be so frightening! Thinking of you all. Stay safe! X
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Nicked from a Turkish friend's FB but here is a photo of Gunlukbasi a short time ago
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The video here shows things are pretty grim
http://www.sondakika.com/haber/haber-1-fethiye-de-1000-kisilik-grup-isyelerini-tahrip-5765694/
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Feckin' scary, when I think that my Darling Loz and I lived less than 25 metres from Adnan Menderes Bulvari, the main road which runs past the Shell filling station , to Gunlukbasi !!
Just makes one realise how lucky we Brits are , to live where we do. I love Turkey, BUT, regardless of the whys and wherefores of this dispute, I feel SAFE in the U.K. !! End of !! I thank you .
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Bed time so last one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkInIxnR3FM
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This was orchestrated by rent a mob, talking to a Turkish friend most of these people are not locals, this has happened in every town and city where they have tried to open offices of the new party. There was a warning on TLF on Saturday.
"IMPORTANT ----please stay away from SALI PAZARI in Fethiye on Sunday
march 9th
In FETHIYE, MHP is prepering an attack on HDP's election office opening tomorrow at 2pm.
Crowd will gather in Sali Pazari.
They distributed flyers saying that FETHIYE will be hell for BDP - HDP ba...rds."
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Well done CBF for keeping everyone updated.
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Agree Jim, great we can see what is happening as everything on Facebook from Turkey is being removed. I was reading a thread on F.B. from a friend who lives in Fethiye. A good thread that was being added to with images and then a very interesting point of view from a Turkish lady with an explanation of why she thought the riots had happened. The whole thread just disappeared before my eyes. I hate this censorship it's not helpful it makes the situation worse.
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We had a night out in Hisaronu on Friday night. When we were leaving, around midnight, there suddenly appeared dozens of mini buses carrying, mainly, young men. They were being entertained in one of the nightclubs, which are usually shut this time of year, and were spilling out onto the street. We thought it very strange. Now I very strongly suspect this was a 'rent a mob' brought in to cause trouble.
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Sounds very much like it Eric. This might sound naive but what are they actually trying to achieve?
Is it anti or pro government?
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From what I read last night and this morning on F.B. before it was taken down, it seems it's Anti Kurd.
This was a posting on F.C. I make no comment, because I don't know about the situation, but, perhaps, this gives one view of many.
Received this morning in my mail from F.B.
"I will give you another point of view. If it was done against Kurdish society here I would be totally against it , cause I think Kurdish people are used and ignored. However this party provides support to the terrorist group and subcontractor PKK which killed many young teachers sent to the east to teach kids there and even children including their own Kurdish society. The mirror is always two sided so please try to understand the anger in the heart of these people as well. Altough ı am personally against violence ı am also against PKK based political parties, Kurdish people should make other formations not involving with these murderers."
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It's anti Kurdish
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I always try to steer clear of political issues in other countries because I think that 'politicians' from "other" countries should keep their noses out (not that I am a politician) but when there is unrest in a place that you lived and now visit often then I think giving your views and opinions is allowed. I would have sh*it myself had I been caught up in this situation. These young men were fearless but I do believe that they were transported to Fethiye as was previously mentioned. I am also sure that this is an isolated incident but we should remember that the majority of workers in Hisaronu and many of the businesses up there, are Kurdish. In the past there have been clashes between the two elements in Hisaronu. A few years ago I was caught up in a demonstration in Fethiye which was held in and around the football stadium. There were estimated to be over 50,000 people there, most of them carrying Turkish flags. It was a peaceable demo and very impressive and shows the passion of the Turkish people. I hope that everyone in and around Fethiye are safe. In the lead up to the elections people should be vigilant.
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Feckin' scary, when I think that my Darling Loz and I lived less than 25 metres from Adnan Menderes Bulvari, the main road which runs past the Shell filling station , to Gunlukbasi !!
Just makes one realise how lucky we Brits are , to live where we do. I love Turkey, BUT, regardless of the whys and wherefores of this dispute, I feel SAFE in the U.K. !! End of !! I thank you .
This is nothing compared to the recent riots in London?
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Hurriyet Daily News says that responsibility for the violence lies with Mayor Behcet Saatci. The Mayor had previously been dismissed by the MHP for anti-Kurdish statements and billboards which were considered "racist"; it appears he was too nationalist for the nationalist party. It fails to mention his popularity amongst some British ex-pats.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/hdp-office-attacked-in-southern-town-of-fethiye-in-latest-assault-on-party.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63355&NewsCatID=341 (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/hdp-office-attacked-in-southern-town-of-fethiye-in-latest-assault-on-party.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63355&NewsCatID=341)
http://www.turkishagenda.com/?p=360 (http://www.turkishagenda.com/?p=360)
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Nicholas put a put a video on FB of the tear gas, riots etc in Tasyaka.. Really very very scary..
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this one Anne
http://www.sondakika.com/haber/haber-1-fethiye-de-1000-kisilik-grup-isyelerini-tahrip-5765694/
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Interesting that this happened just three weeks for election.
AKP certainly needs the votes of the thousands of Kurdish people living in Fethiye...
(Especially since they are way behind Saatci in the prognosis)
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And which political party is the Hurriyet affiliated to I wonder?
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Agree Jim, great we can see what is happening as everything on Facebook from Turkey is being removed. I was reading a thread on F.B. from a friend who lives in Fethiye. A good thread that was being added to with images and then a very interesting point of view from a Turkish lady with an explanation of why she thought the riots had happened. The whole thread just disappeared before my eyes. I hate this censorship it's not helpful it makes the situation worse.
Unfortunately it was Admin who removed the post, something about not wanting polical statements. What utter rubbish, Fb is full of them. If the admin of that fb page icould not stand the heat they should step down and let someone else do it
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Unfortunately it was Admin who removed the post, something about not wanting polical statements. What utter rubbish, Fb is full of them. If the admin of that fb page icould not stand the heat they should step down and let someone else do it
No political censorship here...
CBF 1 FB 0
JF
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I really don't know enough about Turkish politics to make any political comments.
The Hurriyet newspaper will be biased towards a certain political ideology - all media is. That's why it is important to read many news sources and then form your own opinions. Or indeed stay very open minded.
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John F I wish we had a like unlike button, oh we did and Scunner took our toy away.. ;) ;D
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I still feel MUCH safer in the U.K. regardless of what happened in London !!
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John F I wish we had a like unlike button, oh we did and Scunner took our toy away.. ;) ;D
I vaguely remember that. Didn't a lot of people misuse it to gang up on one member like a silly primary school playground game? I did enjoy that.
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I still feel MUCH safer in the U.K. regardless of what happened in London !!
You wouldn't if you had been in the centre of those riots in London. What went on here last night was like handbags at a Sunday school football match by comparison.
This was London and four people died
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I still feel MUCH safer in the U.K. regardless of what happened in London !!
Gordon I regularly walk the streets of Fethiye between 11 pm and midnight passing groups of youths chatting on street corners. :) I would not do this in the UK. :( :(
I use to over winter in Morocco and felt safer there than I ever did back home and I live in East Yorkshire.
DonM
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Dom, you obviously don't live where we live, the only thing to frighten us would be the owls, bats and things that go bump in the night, not a shop in sight, so unfair comparison to London, Calis/Fethiye is bigger than our village or town! also we have not had the break-ins or assaults around here, our village, to those reported in the last 12months compared to that of Fethiye.
When we lived in Akarca I used to say that I did not mind walking around late at night or Fethiye and Calis, would I feel that way again, no, I would be more wary of my surroundings.
Any form of public "Mob" gathering is frightening, and invariably someone will get hurt. albeit UK, Turkey or any other country, when a native tells you, as a foreigner to stay in, that tells you something.
You don't hear much of serious assault against the ex-pats, yes they do happen yet are rarely reported to police or reported in then press, for reasons best known to the authorities. Yes I feel safe in the UK.
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These comparisons of Gordon's and Loz's village with Fethiye, and of Fethiye with London (and then perhaps of London with Istanbul - how safe you would feel in Taxim Square over the last few months?) aren't very convincing. I'm glad CBF info has helped to keep people safe. But at the bottom of this is the incumbent Mayor trying to shut down the offices of a rival party before the local elections. Is that acceptable in any "democracy"?
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I don't think this has been posted. The video isn't working. Seems this isn't an isolated incident.
http://www.todayszaman.com//news-341667-pro-kurdish-hdp-office-attacked-in-fethiye-28-taken-into-custody.html?fb_action_ids=10152233924576413&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B537405796375437%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.recommends%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
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I am with you Loz.. It is very safe and very quiet where we live too.. Tasyaka is where we lived in Fethiye.. My friend was scared half to death last night as it was going on almost under her window.. I would think that the majority of us have never experienced riots of any kind either here or in The UK.. I am very thankful that I havent.. It just seemed all the more shocking just because It was Fethiye. Big cities you can understand but Tasyaka is a really quiet area normally... I feel for those whose businesses were attacked last night and the staff who are hopefully just temporarily out of a job...
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Nichola, that article explains a lot. A Turkish friend on FB, who is supporting the CHP and running for Councillor under the CHP banner posted a couple of messages a day or so ago. My poor Turkish translated them into something like "Gather in Tasyaka for the opening, bring the building down". He has since removed them from his FB site. At the time I did not have a clue what he was on about, now I do.
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Midnight and just drove up to the Gunlukbasi road from the mosque road in Calis.Police with riot shields blocking the road near the schools but no signs of trouble and they looked fairly relaxed. Eerily quiet. Had to turn around and try another way through up Baris Manco. Not sure what had been going on but appeared to be over.
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I really don't know what to say - other than please stay safe our dear friends ???
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These comparisons of Gordon's and Loz's village with Fethiye, and of Fethiye with London (and then perhaps of London with Istanbul - how safe you would feel in Taxim Square over the last few months?) aren't very convincing. I'm glad CBF info has helped to keep people safe. But at the bottom of this is the incumbent Mayor trying to shut down the offices of a rival party before the local elections. Is that acceptable in any "democracy"?
Lozs statement was she felt much safer in the UK, not the village where they live near Southampton, London, Birmingham, Bristol, Belfast are all part of the UK.
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We dined in the Denizati last night. We took the mountain road from Kaya and parked at the Shakaa and walked the prom.
We saw no police presences at all, we left fethiye about 11pm and all seemed as usual.
The restaurants along the prom did have some custom but it was showery but it seemed about the same as usual.
DonM.
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Tinx, I feel safer in the UK, end of. I had lost my rose coloured specs re Turkey back in 2005, I know exactly where I stand here in the UK, no matter what the city, We now live nearer to Winchester and I am under no disillusions what happens in the local area and UK but I know who I can call on.
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News coming via a friend in Calis, she is stating that the Meri bar is closed as loads of police activity so gone now to Anna Bar. Has this new inflamed action tonight due to the death of of the 14year boy who died today after never recovering from his coma after Taksim protests?
Not Calis but live filming of Istanbul and Ankara
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/live-footages-from-protests-in-istanbul-and-ankara.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63475&NewsCatID=341
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No, this is still from the HDP problem. A few reports on FB 'make it up as you go along zone' of activity in Gunlukbasi, but haven't seen any photos of anything.
The Polis are stationed here and there as a precaution, saw a photo on FB earlier of them outside Ametyst, opposite the taxi rank in Calis.
A peaceful vigil occurred tonight in Fethiye as a mark of respect for the young lad that died.
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Maybe just comparing the price of Efes in the various bars ; )
Sorry.... Couldn't resist... X
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a storm in a teacup. Some lively protests, against a political party that supports terrorism, not riots!
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I'm not sure the unfortunate baker will regard recent events as "lively protest"
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I would hardly describe what happened as a lively protest. A violent and unprovoked racist attack is what I would call it and the people behind it are a disgrace.
The HDP is a legitimate organisation and they have every right to stand candidates in elections and a lot of work has been done over recent years to bring improvements and peace to that region of Turkey; even if oil is the primary driver.
Apollo, what would you do if you and your family, community and race of people had been oppressed for years living in sub standard housing and general poverty, virtually no infrastructure such as health care and ability to earn a living and your children denied an education.
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Thank you Nicola. I was beginning to think that everyone on this thread wanted to forget about the targets of these "protests" (or "thuggish attacks" as they might be called).
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The protest was against an organisation which has no qualms regarding the use of terrorism. Kurds or Kurdish businesses were not targeted during the protests. The protesters wrath was visited on a two sympathetic businesse on in Taşyaka and the other in Günlükbaşı.
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I think I can go along up to a point with 'Apollo'. Basically, it could have been worse (and who can say it wont be) Of course, for some it was bad enough . However, the overall picture as portrayed by Nichola dictates that this should be condemned. With all due respect, that's my opinion of course. Demonstrate, yes. Terrorise, no......... I was caught up many years ago in such a "lively protest". Wrong place wrong time situation.. My car was kicked, dents on doors and back window smashed...... We were just passing through. Three kids under ten in the car. . You have no idea how frightening it was. My youngest, then five, wet the bed every night for the next two years. She had never done so before. That was a simple demo about council tax in Glasgow, with a few thugs who decided to take it to the next unnecessary level, as I suspect is whats happening there now.... I personally know 4 people who went to the first demo . Four decent locals who just wanted to be heard and show where they stood. They did not go with any intention of causing bother in any way. My heart goes out to anyone caught up in any violent acts............ Sometimes when its all over, for some it isn't.
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Apollo, what would you do if you and your family, community and race of people had been oppressed for years living in sub standard housing and general poverty, virtually no infrastructure such as health care and ability to earn a living and your children denied an education.
Sorry but I don't agree with you Nichola. The picture you paint is rather "one sided".
Yes, a lot is/was wrong in the east but don't forget the PKK. They were a big part of it.
They have killed hundreds of teachers over the years and have burnt down many schools.
They were the ones denying their own children education.
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The protest was against an organisation which has no qualms regarding the use of terrorism. Kurds or Kurdish businesses were not targeted during the protests. The protesters wrath was visited on a two sympathetic businesse on in Taşyaka and the other in Günlükbaşı.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make but I think you will find that the Oz bakery in Taşyaka is owned by a Kurd. And the HDP is a legitimate party that is trying to get the views of the Kurdish people represented in legitimate decision making bodies. What evidence do you have that the HDP supports the use of violence?
Apollo, what would you do if you and your family, community and race of people had been oppressed for years living in sub standard housing and general poverty, virtually no infrastructure such as health care and ability to earn a living and your children denied an education.
Sorry but I don't agree with you Nichola. The picture you paint is rather "one sided".
Yes, a lot is/was wrong in the east but don't forget the PKK. They were a big part of it.
They have killed hundreds of teachers over the years and have burnt down many schools.
They were the ones denying their own children education.
I haven't forgotten the PKK but things are changing. There has been no deaths in the past year a sign that there have been efforts made and successes gained on both sides to move things forward positively in the east of Turkey.
There is no excuse for the racism and the orchestrated and premeditated violence that we saw a few days ago.
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Of course there is no excuse and in my opinion it has been very cleverly organised by the AKP. How else could the police have a list of places where riots were going to take place?
In the end, AKP are the ones who will benefit from it. Any Kurdish voter that might have voted for Saatci, is bound to change his mind after the recent violence. How convenient is that for AKP.
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That's interesting! In Fethiye it wasn't the AKP in attendance at this meeting it was the Mayor, giving speeches all day long and as I understand it he was the one that instructed the HDP sign to be removed. Why?
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That's interesting! In Fethiye it wasn't the AKP in attendance at this meeting it was the Mayor, giving speeches all day long and as I understand it he was the one that instructed the HDP sign to be removed. Why?
probably because he didn't want a repeat of the serious violence that preceded this in other towns and cities across Turkey.
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Yes Saatci was at the HDP office but he wasn't at the riots and he didn't condone them.
The police apparently knew about the riots before they had started. Don't you find that interesting?
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of course they did, they are orchestrated by extremist groups just like the riots in the UK, the plans were all over facebook and Twitter etc. days in advance, it has happened in many towns in Turkey already.