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Calis Beach Forum => Expat & Property Owners Q and A Forum => Topic started by: grahamjw on March 17, 2014, 10:25:11 AM

Title: Health and safety assessment
Post by: grahamjw on March 17, 2014, 10:25:11 AM: I own an apartment on a small complex (10 apartments) we have been advised by our maintenance company that we must get an H&S assessment carried out. Cost 350TL, after which we must implement the recommendations. Has anybody else been informed about this? As a quick troll through the internet has not revealed anything.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: janmack on March 17, 2014, 11:14:54 AM: Our maintenance provider told us a couple of weeks ago that there is an H&S team going around doing spot checks...however we got the impression it was the company who does the maintaining that is being checked and being held responsible. Haven't heard anything else or seen any sign of this team though.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Liz 101 on March 17, 2014, 12:24:37 PM: Our maintenance company said that H&S was becoming more important this year, but mainly regarding pools. They have told us that it is their own problem to keep the records of pool tests etc. At 350tl a throw, it sounds like a nice little earner!
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: littlereddevil on March 17, 2014, 13:42:34 PM: Health and Safety in Turkey?????????
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: michelle.derek on March 17, 2014, 18:21:40 PM: the h/s risk assessment is to do with the maintenance companys work
force and because they worth on our complex's, we as sub employer have
to have the risk assessment done, And implement the recommendations
look at www.ifer.com
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Scunner on March 17, 2014, 18:23:57 PM: I've heard a rumour that the new H&S rules will outlaw climbing up scaffolding made out of scraps of wood when wearing flip flops. Ridiculous I know, it's becoming a nanny state.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: IanK on March 17, 2014, 18:32:07 PM: We are on a large complex (Sunset Beach) so the rules may be different - but many of our staff have had to take a H&S course in the last few months to comply with legislation.

In addition, for this season we now have to have the pools regularly tested and certified by an external lab.

Ian
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: usedbustickets on March 17, 2014, 18:33:54 PM: Pah!! Nanny state I'll give you nanny state. Next thing you know they'll stop me working off my metal ladder on the High Voltage Power, talk about joke next thing they will stop me taking the ladder to site on my scooter width ways across the front.

Funny when i was coming home from work tonight with my ladder, I told the missus all about it and she laughed so much she almost dropped the baby off the back of the scooter. Good job the other kids were there to catch it. Glad I didn't have my scooter lights on or someone might of seen it all...LOL
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: kevin3 on March 17, 2014, 18:55:26 PM: Perhaps the tear gas and rubber bullets are exempt from Turkish Health and Safety regulations. ???
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: bewva on March 17, 2014, 19:59:52 PM: Th above link does not work for me.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: michelle.derek on March 18, 2014, 17:45:12 PM: sorry bewva try www.iflr.com article 3196402 playing it safe under turkish
work place laws
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: bewva on March 18, 2014, 19:11:50 PM: Thank you
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: grahamturner09 on March 18, 2014, 20:14:20 PM: Quote from: Scunner on March 17, 2014, 18:23:57 PM
I've heard a rumour that the new H&S rules will outlaw climbing up scaffolding made out of scraps of wood when wearing flip flops. Ridiculous I know, it's becoming a nanny state.

Does that mean they will outlaw climbing from the top floor balcony on to the roof at midnight to fix the Satalight dish risking life and limb for the extortionate price of 30tl
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: janmack on March 19, 2014, 06:27:07 AM: Quote from: IanK on March 17, 2014, 18:32:07 PM
We are on a large complex (Sunset Beach) so the rules may be different - but many of our staff have had to take a H&S course in the last few months to comply with legislation.

In addition, for this season we now have to have the pools regularly tested and certified by an external lab.

Ian

Yes our company did all this last year and have been carrying out the tests on the pools for the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: jackstee on March 19, 2014, 18:32:47 PM: Actually in some areas we used to get beladiya (sorry spelling) checks once per month in the hotel pools way back in the late 80"s. The difference is that we used to teach them what to check for, paramiters etc.

Since then they have had a lot of people in countries around the world learning the real checks and controls, but it's only the expat sites that are hit as he local places still don't understand.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: michelle.derek on May 07, 2014, 23:35:00 PM: Well we have the recommendations from our h/s assessment and to implement
All the requirements its looking like over £500 pounds with signs for this and that.
About 16 items from emergency lighting in basement to non slip tape on all stairs.
Any other complexes been told they have to have one.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: King Frat on May 08, 2014, 06:59:36 AM: We have just had our assessment done as well. Similar requirements plus fire extinguishers in the lobby areas and buoyancy aid by the pool.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Menthol on May 08, 2014, 10:25:05 AM: And if an expat, or whoever, slips on a stair that was told to have non slip tape but didn't, does Turkish law allow for suing? And if so who is sued? The complex owner or the maintenance company?

I'm no fan of the 'sue 'em' culture. We've been on the receiving end of too much of it in our own business. So whilst I appreciate the need for some (any) improvements in H&S here in Turkey, I hope it doesn't mean that common sense and personal responsibility are lost in the mire of bureaucracy.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: mac2010 on May 08, 2014, 11:33:26 AM: The owners are responsible for the complex even if no assessment has been done under turkish law. If a risk assessment has been carried out and not implemented the owners could be held accountable for injuries and accidents that might happen to guests or employee's even more so as you can not use the ( I did not know) phrase.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Ian on May 08, 2014, 14:38:08 PM: Are you guys on the front (close to the sea) or have you made it known to the authorities that some / all of your owners are renting? We are 800 yds back and have no "visits" and our maintenance company have not mentioned it to us - yet??
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: King Frat on May 08, 2014, 14:52:04 PM: No we are not near the front. The issue was raised by our maintenance company. If we contract them to maintain our complex, then it is the responsibility of the complex owners to ensure the H & S requirements are met. Same as the UK
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Ian on May 08, 2014, 14:54:32 PM: We have changed maintenance companies this year and the new guy does a couple of very big complexes but has not raised this with us ?

Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: bewva on May 08, 2014, 22:38:04 PM: What p's me off about all this is that as an owner they want you to put non slip tape down and signs everywhere but you will walk past a hotel or villa with workmen hanging over a roof with flip flops on pulling an aircon unit up or climbing up a home made ladder and no one gives a second look. The authorities should focus on this aspect of lack of elfn safety first in my opinion.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: michelle.derek on May 08, 2014, 22:52:51 PM: Hi king frat and Ian who do you use for your maintenance contract is it lagoon
Same as ours.or a different contractor
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: King Frat on May 08, 2014, 22:55:15 PM: We use Lagoon
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2014, 06:44:48 AM: We are using someone different - I don't arrange it - but he appears to be a small business who is ambitious / growing - maybe cutting corners ?

Although having read all this thread - we do actually have non slip tile steps down into the pool and around the pool and sign with about 12 rules on them - so maybe we are close to being ok ?

Also I tend to think that Liz101 has summed it up accurately - having been through numerous legal turmoils over the years - as she often does ;)
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: King Frat on May 09, 2014, 07:17:23 AM: Hi Ian, I hope you are not using Elite Property Services. We had a very bad experience with them last year. They did not live up to their promise and caused is all sorts of problems, especially with the pool
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Scunner on May 09, 2014, 07:24:46 AM: All pools are required to have secure steps under new Turkish Health & Safety rules

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gkUyGtlpII
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: King Frat on May 09, 2014, 07:30:42 AM
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2014, 10:06:08 AM: No - not Elite - our pool has never looked better even on a grey day and Scunner please note the special non slip tiles ;)

(http://s22.postimg.org/hawkvz2gd/DSCF1456.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/hawkvz2gd/)
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: mac2010 on May 09, 2014, 10:11:45 AM: Your pool looks wonderful but one thing under the health and safety laws if your pool steps are over 1.8mtrs wide you are required to fit a handrail down the middle.This is one of many rules that no one seems to know.Lack of information seems to be the biggest problem in Fethiye.
Title: Re: Health and safety assessment
Post by: mac2010 on May 09, 2014, 10:26:13 AM: After reading the post's on here I feel that everybody is in the dark about the Health and Safety rules and responsibilities of owners on complexes.If anyone would like to know what is involved and see what a real risk assessment document looks like then you are more than welcome to come to my wife's office( Lagoon Estates ltd) which is located on the main road passed the sunday market heading towards Kipa and Burger King.I will try to explain it to you.Hope it helps.