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Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: desmartinson on April 29, 2014, 17:12:10 PM
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Well summer is nearly here and the beach is as usual, full of street dog crap, bottles, fag ends etc, and no sign of anyone doing anything about it, so just a little picture to cheer Calis lovers up. the sun is out and everyone can head off to Olu Deniz where they seem to get it right every year. ;) :D :D
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We were there 16th - 20th April last year and there were guys cleaning the beach - they did a very good job indeed. With it being the 29th today it appears that may have been a one off :(
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Not talking about last year Keith, come on now you know where Im going with this, have you read Nigel and Ians comment (kismet Bar) on facebook. ;)
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I think you must have misread my point Des
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I think Calis could possibly get it right if they were able to charge to go on the beach :D or maybe nobody would bother ;)
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They already charge for the sunbeds. Surely the revenue from this could pay for the beach to be cleaned
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My sentiment as well Anne.
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Who is now responsible for Çaliş beach? Is it Muğla? Beach cleaning could be a question for the new open relationship with the Mayors office.
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I think you must have misread my point Des
I Apologize Keith, I think I did too. :o
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I would have thought that METE would/ could / should had been involved with the clean up seeing he has been elected to the council for Calis area ,.
Could we all pm him re this [ he is a member of this forum ] and I seem to remember he once said feel free to contact him re any issues in Calis area and something may be done
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I only see one Mete on the Members list. This Mete joined in 2007 and has had no input..i.e. no postings.
Is this the Mete we are speaking about?
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They already charge for the sunbeds. Surely the revenue from this could pay for the beach to be cleaned
Just saying Anne that you it can't be compared to Olu Deniz where they charge to enter the beach and then for sunbeds and umbrellas on top.
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Kenkay, we have never paid to get onto olu deniz beach, we have paid for beds, umberella etc. We have paid to get onto the lagoon but not the beach in front of buzz bar etc.
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Only at one end of the Olu Deniz beach Ken as the above post says. :)
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I would have thought that METE would/ could / should had been involved with the clean up seeing he has been elected to the council for Calis area ,.
Could we all pm him re this [ he is a member of this forum ] and I seem to remember he once said feel free to contact him re any issues in Calis area and something may be done
I spoke to Mete yesterday about a different subject but I also asked him about the state of the beach and he told me that since the elections there have been lots of changes in policies and responsibilities and obligations etc. and no-one is certain right now on whose responsibility the beach in Calis is.
He said that hopefully very soon this will be cleared up (pardon the pun) and the beach can be sorted.
He also said that he is fighting where ever he can and at every opportunity to get something done as soon as possible.
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I only see one Mete on the Members list. This Mete joined in 2007 and has had no input..i.e. no postings.
Is this the Mete we are speaking about?
Hi Jaqui Try gmoon, I think you will find him there with several postings to members as a whole!
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I wondered if the upheaval at Council HQ may have had an effect. I'm pretty sure we'll come across plenty of other cases of 'don't know who is responsible for this' over the next year or so until things have been sorted.
However, the state of the beach has to rank as a top priority to an area that depends so much on tourism for its revenue. I'd be livid if I was a tourist-dependant business owner in Calis.
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Unfortunately it is not just the beach that needs sorting out.Just look at the state of the area that runs next to the canal where the hotels are.No paths,mud and dust every were.Roads half dug up,the whole area just looks unfinished and a big mess.All just in time for the tourist season. :(
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If every restaurant along the prom spent an hour or two cleaning the part in front of them it would be a good start.
That is wishful thinking on my part though :(
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So what about the Mayor I remember he recently had a meeting with local ex-pats before he was re-elected. He seemed very interested in everyone's questions and promised he would help locals. Would it be possible to get in touch with him? Does anyone have an email for him and perhaps if a number of us write to him, he may be able to do something.
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Another of those issues that nobody wants to own, ok, things are in a state of flux right now but everyone benefits from tourism, if they all got together and made a serious joint effort they would all win! It's really embarrassing when we all recommend this beautiful place to people and now we're just cringing because of the apparent lack of civic pride. :(
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I have to admit that I was only considering the lagoon at Olu. I've never actually been on the main beach apart from striding across it to board a boat. Please don't think I'm trying to defend Calis beach because I think it's a disgrace like everyone else.
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There is a very good article in this weeks Sun Express where Mete is quoted extensively saying that his "traders association" - Calis-Der - http://www.calisder.org/ (http://www.calisder.org/) has had grave concerns that as FETAB who managed the beach for the last 4 years and have now been closed down with all of the local political changes - that we could see a return to the pre FETAB days of no periodic cleaning or preparations being carried out for the coming season.
Consequently Calis-Der has sent all the appropriate applications to Mugla Provincial Directorate of Environment and Urbanisation requesting that they be allowed to take on the management of the beach. If successful they will be the first ever civil society organisation to be given permission to manage their own beach.
Mete speaks very passionately about how the state of the beach puts people off and hard won tourists who come early season and see the state of the beach may never return and even use social media to tell friends how bad it is!
He also says the recent elections had to be "completed" with the appropriate people appointed before they could get a realistic chance of getting their application dealt with.
So it seems they are trying and do know the damage it causes...................
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In all the years I've been coming to Calis, I can honestly say I've never spent 1 day on the beach, it's horrid :(
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As has already been mentioned Surely it is in the interest of the Bar/Restaurant owners along the promenade to keep the beach clean & Tidy, nobody wants to sit to Eat or Drink looking over an untidy Beach let alone the People who want to use it!
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I found it nice at the Sat restaurant part of the beach!
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Was there over Easter break and couldn't believe the amount of smashed glass bottles on the beach between Sunset Beach Club and the Surf Cafe. It's bad enough to be lazy and leave one's rubbish behind but it's beyond me why people would want to break glass on a beach. I'm a keen windsurfer and use the kit at the Surf Cafe regularly. Last week I had a couple of glorious sessions with those amazing thermal breezes and magnificent backdrop but dreaded the return back to the beach in case I got a piece of glass lodged in my foot.
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I fear that until people can earn money from the beach no one wants to tidy it.When I was in Thailand the beach was sectioned into privately run area's and they all had nice sunbeds,cushions,umbrella's food and drink service and so on and they paid rent to the council. Because they are competing with the next section they keep the places spotless and provide great service .If they could do that here it would be fantastic. 8)
I have lived here for 9 years and never once have I used Calis beach along the front.The Sat area wins every time for me.
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I fear that until people can earn money from the beach no one wants to tidy it.
The tragic part is that you can't seem to get across how a dirty beach may cost them business.
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Guven & Carol 'get it' they keep their beach in great order, in fact, so much so, I'm off there right now for a beer.
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Just got back from a lovely lunch at Guvens, their Pide & Pizza chef is really one of the best. Anyway, it was busy, beach was spotless, lots of sun beds and brollies and guess what, lots of customers enjoying the beach as well as the hospitality, It was interesting riding along the beach promenade where there were loads of restaurants totally empty with just a couple of forlorn looking waiters stood outside trying to entice people inside, while in front of them was a dirty beach, not a sun bed, cushion or brolly in sight. Come on guys, it's not Rocket Science!
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In all our years in Calis we only went on the beach once with our then 3 year old granddaughter... She said "this is horrible I dont like this beach". Never went on again.. If we used a beach bar for swimming etc. It was down Koca Calis end... Free sunbeds, waiter service. Decent food and very few tourists.. Our favourite places were around the headland in Fethiye. Peace in earth... and Givens of course.
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In all our years in Calis we only went on the beach once with our then 3 year old granddaughter... She said "this is horrible I dont like this beach".
We went to the seaside in Scotland soon after returning to the UK. Beautiful fine white sand, or as an eight year old described it 'not a fake beach like Calis'.
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Like Rimms, yesterday we went to Guvens for a spot of lunch and a chillax on the beach. Nice lunch, clean beach, free sun beds etc. just as it should be. Not worth going to the main Calis prom beach, even in the season, it's a disgrace and I spend more time moaning about the whole sorry scene than I spend enjoying the sea and beach. >:(
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We took our four year old grandson to Calis Beach in the way from the airport to their villa, he was dying to see a beach. I'll never forget his forlorn little face, hands upward facing he just said, " Well Nana, I didn't expect THIS" it was so funny but so true. Through the eyes of babes etc. :(
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First visit of the season today to Calis beach.
Obviously it's been decided just to use it as a municipal rubbish dump.
Absolutely filthy.
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How disappointing to read Phil.
Before we lived there we always used to go the first week of May and September - so in other words this week. What the hell must first timers think, it's appalling. Nature gave us one of the best bays in the World and they can't even make it clean.
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Is there nothing anybody can do to give the necessary people a kick up the backside to do something to clean up the beach area. Was very disappointed last year, but hoped the clean up and renovation of the whole front would include the beach. It will be the bar and restaurant owners loss not to do something to make it attractive to the tourists. They should be aware we all have a choice of where to spend our much needed pounds and liras.
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I went down to the sea front yesterday for the first time in about a year and was quite shocked at just how bad it looks:( If I was coming out for a holiday I would not be in the least bit happy...and it's not just the beach that is dirty...the new look canal where the boats are is pretty filthy too.
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This is really disappointing to hear as we are out in just under six weeks and usually enjoy strolling along the prom before a meal and drink.
Were I Guvens restaurant?
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Guven's is just along the prom walking away from Fethiye. It's at Koca Calis.
Highlander has a map of all the bars and restaurants which you can download.
So, if someone can give us the email of the Mayor, we can start to email and if he gets a lot of emails from the Forum he may get something done. I don't see any point in us all complaining to each other on this Forum. We need to complain to the right people.
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Jacqui, both the Mayor and Mete are well aware of the Calis beach situation, unfortunately it's not in their direct control. Following the scrapping of FETAB who used to hold responsibility for Calis beach, Mugla (who also look after Olu) now have assumed control of the beach. From what I understand Fethiye are not at all pleased with this situation, Mugla of course take all the money from the Olu national park admission turnstiles and they plough some of that money back into keeping their beaches clean and tidy.
Calis however is a different story and unfortunately politics is very much involved, it's only my opinion but I would bet money that if Kerrametin had been elected then we wouldn't be having this debate.
In the meantime, I go back to my previous comment. Carol & Guven don't stand around waiting for this to be sorted out so why should the rest not do the same? There are 500 sun beds stacked up down by the Saat restaurant, if I had a business on the front, I would clean my beach and bring a dozen beds from that pile.
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Well is there an email address for Mugla we could write to. If they are responsible now they need to get some feedback from people who visit Calis, to express their displeasure at the present situation.
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"Carol & Guven don't stand around waiting for this to be sorted out so why should the rest not do the same? There are 500 sun beds stacked up down by the Saat restaurant, if I had a business on the front, I would clean my beach and bring a dozen beds from that pile."
If the businesses in the area cannot get their voices heard, or take the initiative ,mentioned by Rimms, a few emails from some holiday makers will not make a scrap of difference.
How many businesses have we walked by ,where rubbish etc has been piled up or blown around in the wind, and no effort has been made to protect their business because it is the responsibility of the Belediye.
The first lesson learnt on arrival in Turkey is that if you want something doing don't rely on the authorities, do it yourself.
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A few emails...There are a lot of members on this Forum. It just needs one email that we can all copy and send. We could also ask local business do to the same.
It's no good complaining on Forums and then saying nothing will be done and just sitting back and accepting it.
We have a home in Calis and we don't want it to go down hill because no one wants to do anything.
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I am not sure that I have complained. I have, however accepted the situation ,and found somewhere cleaner where my few lira are appreciated. If people want to sit amongst the rubbish then good for them. Local businesses should not have to be asked.
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And how many times do you walk past during the day and they are entirely empty - and the waiter is sitting in the sun with his feet up on another chair, catching rays? Someone is paying him so why pay him to do nothing when there is plenty that can be done...
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In Icmeler the bar or hotel owners have their own bit of beach with a designated waiter or beach boy.. There is strong competition so they make sure it is kept cleaned up... It is wonderful to sit in a bar on Calis front. The view is amazing but NOT if you look too closely... We have just booked a hotel in Icmeler for half the price of Calis and will use the beach there..The prices in the restaurants are cheaper too. We will then move on to Calis but certainly won't be using the beach.. I feel sorry for any family who is looking for a nice beach holiday and paid good money for it...The regulars on this forum make allowances but how much longer will they put up with it?
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Why is everyone focusing on the beach.
We have life long friends joining us in the summer and we dread taking them anywhere off the main drag where there is rubbish everywhere.
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Calis needs a bloody good shake up. When the tourist stop and the expats start to drift away along the new promenade, eating and drinking in very nice well kept places with wonderful views (at cheaper prices ) Maybe then calis will wake up and do something.I always get the feeling that the majority of bar and restaurant owners in Calis only worry about the inside of the place not outside and to be honest some do not care about the inside much either.No effort is made to keep areas clean and tidy or just to finish things properly when work is done.I know that there are exceptions and these owners stand out but sadly they will soon be hidden by the bigger picture. :'(
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Not many expats use the places on the front these days except when they have family or friends out.. There are a lot of other places to eat and drink at that don't charge what the bars on the front do. Calis is advertised as The Beach area of Fethiye... If you look at such as Thomsons you could be forgiven as a newbie to the area for thinking that it is a beautiful place to visit. The Ariel views are stunning.. It must be a huge disappointment to some of them... Yes most of us love the area and the people in it but they really need to get their act together..
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Oh dear. If any guests are viewing this subject on the forum, with a view to booking a last minute holiday, they'll have had their mind made up for them - don't to come to Calis !!!
No matter what excuses are made, by either the council, the mayor or anyone else, it is totally inexcusable for any beachside resort who rely heavily on tourism to allow their prime asset to disintegrate into, what sounds like a mini landfill site. Whilst I love Calis & have holidayed there for many years, I've also found the lack of respect for the cleanliness of the beach embarassing.
We've got a holiday booked for June and will only use the beach areas at Carretta & Guvens or even Sat as they seem the only businesses with any interest of keeping their section of the beach in anything like a place where you'd like to spend a few hours chilling in any sort of comfort.
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I find it very disappointing that Calis is the only beach that I have not used since living here.I have visited many beach resorts from Izmir to Mersin over the years and by far Calis is the worst kept one, yet it should be one off the best when you think of its views and central location. When you can go just around the bay of Fethiye and find many wonderful beach clubs or hop on a boat and go to Ada beach club why would you want to spend you day chilling out laying next to broken bottles,dog poo,fag butts,cans,plastic bottles,discarded bags of rubbish ,old fishing tackle and pay for the privilege .To add insult to injury not even have waiter service for the odd cocktail. I know you can find a couple of places that do take care of the parts near them but its not good enough.Come on Calis Beach pull your finger out otherwise we will have to come up with a new name. Calis skip maybe. ???
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Was at Olu Deniz yday and the difference between their clean beach and the filthy one at Calis is staggering
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Philip - you are so right - this was what I saw this morning opposite Annas Bar - but not a lot different the full length of the beach. We were looking at holiday makers having their breakfasts and looking out to a scene that looked like some third world country with no desire for tourists - so sad........
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That's shocking, disgusting. I'ts not a beach it's a land fill.
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Kevin, Someone on CBF once described Calis as the next best place to heaven, but in fairness I don't think he/she had been to the beach. ;) :)
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We have friends staying in Calis in a beach front hotel for the firs time, and they called yestday and told us that the beach is full of rubbish!!!! Very dissapointing for them as not sure they will be going back, and as we recommended it to them we feel quite bad about it.
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We are arriving on the 16th may I really hope it's been cleared, we have flights booked for September as well and I'm sure if it's as bad as it looks and people are saying we will be looking for another resort for September
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How disappointing. You would think that hoteliers, bar and restaurant owners would take some pride in the beach and make an effort to make it nice - surely it's the lure of the beach and its beautiful views that bring them their custom.If they don't want to do it they should be on to the Council. After all its tourism that brings in the lire and after spending so much money doing up the canal at the back, why wouldn't they make the front nice as well. Maybe once people see rats running all over the place they may change their minds. We are in Calis soon for two weeks and again in September. I truly hope someone kicks a...e and gets thins moving.
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Why not email a link to this thread to the people in charge at the Belydi ? or the Mayor or whoever is responsible.
Better still email it or leaflet drop it to all the restaurants on the front.
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Wouldn't do a leaflet drop- they would probably end up blowing around the beach with all the other litter
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The overwhelming difficulty is that over there a problem that isn't your responsibility is a problem to forget about.
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There was a most important job that needed to be done,
And no reason not to do it, there was absolutely none.
But in vital matters such as this, the thing you have to ask
Is who exactly will it be who'll carry out the task?
Anybody could have told you that everybody knew
That this was something somebody would surely have to do.
Nobody was unwilling; anybody had the ability.
But nobody believed that it was their responsibility.
It seemed to be a job that anybody could have done,
If anybody thought he was supposed to be the one.
But since everybody recognised that anybody could,
Everybody took for granted that somebody would.
But nobody told anybody that we are aware of,
That he would be in charge of seeing it was taken care of.
And nobody took it on himself to follow through,
And do what everybody thought that somebody would do.
When what everybody needed so did not get done at all,
Everybody was complaining that somebody dropped the ball.
Anybody then could see it was an awful crying shame,
And everybody looked around for somebody to blame.
Somebody should have done the job
And Everybody should have,
But in the end Nobody did
What Anybody could have
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Very profound, and very true, but don't think anybody down Calis way is listening. If things are as bad as people say our visit at the end of May will be the last. Who wants to walk around a resort filled with litter where it looks like nobody cares?
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This thread of complaints will go on and on. We need to take action and start writing complaints and sending photographs to someone in power who will act. So, any suggestions?, before my head explodes with frustration.
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None of this is surprising - we've had it year after year going back ages. What is a surprise is that a seafront, with dozens of completely different restaurants and bars, run by completely different owners/renters, apparently hasn't got a single one who just decides 'I'm going to make the beach outside our place clean and pleasant'.
Surely amongst all these intelligent entrepreneurs and business people, one of them can work out that being the only establishment on the main stretch of Calis prom to send a boy out with a bin bag and a rake for half an hour a day could give them the edge? It's incredible.
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We need to take action and start writing complaints and sending photographs to someone in power who will act.
The point is that nobody appears to be responsible for it so nobody has the power or will to see it is done. Writing sadly will do nothing. It never has and that is unlikely to change this year.
I don't care, the beach I'm heading to this summer looks fairly tidy
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I will be over in a few weeks and will speak to some of the restaurant owners. I have never sat on Calis Beach or any other Turkish beach in my life. I hate sitting on beaches. I don't get the beach thing. However, I like to look at the beach and the sea and I love Calis and don't want to see it going downhill because no one will take responsibility for the beach.
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I would be interested to know what the locals, not the expats, think of the mess of the beach and area in general
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Doesn't it seem a bit strange that none of the bar/restaurant owners from Calis beach have ever joined this thread and made any comments in defence of them sitting on their hands and doing nothing while the beach, and ultimately their incomes disintigrate in front of their eyes.
It is so shortsighted of them to do nothing and to blame everyone else from the belediye to Mugla, to the government, to whoever they can.
There are no signs about littering or penalties for doing it, and no deterrent for anyone NOT to just drop their litter or not pick up the mess their dog makes.
I have personally sat on the beach and seen families turn up, get all their food and beer and bottles of water etc out, feed themselves and their kids, then just get up and walk away leaving everything behind them.
Why do you never see local police walking along the prom looking for people dropping litter and then making them go pick it instead of just the odd posing motorbike ride along the prom.
There are probably countless little towns like Calis not only in Turkey but in other countries too that were ONCE popular tourist resorts until they went so badly downhill the the tourists just stopped coming. And once they've gone and that reputation gets around to a large number of people and holiday companies, it will be very difficult to get them back.
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Well as Vojo's are member here perhaps they would like to give their opinion?
I know if the beach is not looking good, we will go to Fethiye to eat, or one of the restaurants in the Main Street. We have never thought anything of paying extra to sit on the prom, but if the view is going to be of rubbish there would seem to be no point. Ultimately the restaurant on the prom are going to lose out. So lets have a view from some of them. Time the restaurant owners found out what us tourists are thinking. >:( :o
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A few years ago I was sat on Olu beach in the April. There was a team of 5 guys walking along the beach 2 gathering rocks into piles and 2 digging holes and burying the rocks and 1 picking up litter and binning it. It looked much better once done.
I can't beleive that the bar owners 'bury their heads in the sand' ;)
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A few years ago I was sat on Olu beach in the April. There was a team of 5 guys walking along the beach 2 gathering rocks into piles and 2 digging holes and burying the rocks and 1 picking up litter and binning it.
Did it not occur to you that you were in the way
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Well as Vojo's are member here perhaps they would like to give their opinion?
I know if the beach is not looking good, we will go to Fethiye to eat, or one of the restaurants in the Main Street. We have never thought anything of paying extra to sit on the prom, but if the view is going to be of rubbish there would seem to be no point. Ultimately the restaurant on the prom are going to lose out. So lets have a view from some of them. Time the restaurant owners found out what us tourists are thinking. >:( :o
jacqui, with respect.....
Unfair to single out Volkan for an opinion. If he agreed, it seems to me that the natural reaction of his fellow Turks, who were not of the same persuasion, might well be to go on the offensive against him. If he disagreed, would you expect people to boycott his very fine establishment. I wouldn't.
The cost of eating on the front is dependant on a number of factors and is irrelevant to me. If I want to, I will, end of.
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I gave up on this years ago. Like many I am not a huge beach fan, and a lower quality beach increases my avoidance of it - I have never sunbathed on Calis beach that I can recall or even spent much time on it. It's almost not there to me - I loved the prom and I love the sea and bay, I don't see the bit in the middle really anymore. Someone on Facebook said that it looks lovely at night - a genuinely honest opinion I believe, and sadly darkness does help. I noticed the beach last year in April, because I was there and because they cleaned it. It looked great.
But someone as weary of it as me can just blank it out - it's the holidaymakers arriving, perhaps for the first time - who will certainly not be ignoring it. They (as mentioned) may never ever return. Several hundred pounds, per family, per holiday, per year - there for the taking and gone forever. Next will be "Where are all the tourists"!!!
And where does it go from here? Even in years when there was a big pre-May clean up, that was it - so from May till October it just became more and more littered with fag butts, broken glass and all the rest.
With no initial clean, what on Earth will people holidaying in September for the first time in Calis find between prom and sea?
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I must say, as a newbie on here, I find this thread quite disconcerting. I have been to many Turkish holiday (Beach) resorts over the years and never come across a problem of this nature anywhere. Each resort we have visited has been ready and waiting as the new season has approached. Repairs done, paint applied and beach in spotless condition, before the first visitors of the season arrive.
We have booked to be in Calis in September but I fear that cancellation would have to be considered as an option if the situation doesn't improve.
I'm sure that many people, like myself, join resort forums to try to get a feel for the place before they actually get there. I appreciate everyone's concerns and honesty here, but be assured.......it aint good for promoting the season ahead and encouraging prospective visitors.
I do hope the situation improves.......I've been looking forward to Calis for months. 8)
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I'm sure that many people, like myself, join resort forums to try to get a feel for the place before they actually get there.
it aint good for promoting the season ahead and encouraging prospective visitors.
Well to be honest we can't do both.
I'm sure you'll have a great holiday. There's so much more to Calis than the beach. Thank God.
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I know that The Nil Bar got lots of its regulars together to clear not only their bit of beach but the rest of the beach as well. They have done it at least twice.. Maybe they just got fed up of being the only bar to bother.. Jacqui was only suggesting Vojos as they seem to be the only bar who regularly post on here so she knows that they read it. If only to advertise their restaurant.. I don't think she was picking on them..
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I'm sure you'll have a great holiday. There's so much more to Calis than the beach. Thank God.
I'm sure we will.....just got a little depressed reading through this again.
I'm not a lover of being on the beach either but our friends travelling with us this year love it. Personally I'd rather walk along the prom, but inevitably....you see the beach.
I just hope for some improvement and positive news otherwise i'll be spending too much time in bars. ;)
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I remember a few years ago watching the schoolkids and teachers from Hisaronu
School going around with bin bags picking up litter.I thought how great it was to
include something like that as a lesson.That's the place to start and hopefully the
kids can start to educate the adults. ;)
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I don't care, the beach I'm heading to this summer looks fairly tidy
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Alright smart arse, where is it then? Last beach I was on like that was Varadero in Cuba, Absolutely Fabulous :) :)
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Well as Vojo's are member here perhaps they would like to give their opinion?
I know if the beach is not looking good, we will go to Fethiye to eat, or one of the restaurants in the Main Street. We have never thought anything of paying extra to sit on the prom, but if the view is going to be of rubbish there would seem to be no point. Ultimately the restaurant on the prom are going to lose out. So lets have a view from some of them. Time the restaurant owners found out what us tourists are thinking. >:( :o
jacqui, with respect.....
Unfair to single out Volkan for an opinion. If he agreed, it seems to me that the natural reaction of his fellow Turks, who were not of the same persuasion, might well be to go on the offensive against him. If he disagreed, would you expect people to boycott his very fine establishment. I wouldn't.
The cost of eating on the front is dependant on a number of factors and is irrelevant to me. If I want to, I will, end of.
John with respect. I am not picking on Volkan. He is the only Restauranteur who is a member of this forum who regularly comes here to advertise his business, and as so, a first and only point of contact for us members to monitor the feelings of other business owners on the prom. If he could let the other owner know the strength of feeling on this Forum about the state of the beach. it could possible move the restaurant owners to take some action. It is probably a fact that these people do not know that the state of the beach is worrying the regulars to Calis and more importantly the many guests who read this Forum who may be considering a holiday in Calis.
I am struggling to get to grips with your opinion that if one Restaurant owner mentions to others Turkish owners, that tourists are concerned about the dreadful state of the beach, they will disagree with him and somehow penalise him and people will boycott his premises...however, you will not ???
It's a sad day when even the owner and prime mover of this 10 year old Forum is going elsewhere for his holidays and even putting an image of the beautiful clean beach he is going to.
The main reason we eat on the prom is the lovely view and it is a fact as pointed out by many members, more expensive to eat there. If the lovely view is tainted by rubbish, will we really want to pay more just to sit in front of a tip?
Let us hope we hear from some of the business owners on the prom. We have promoted many of their businesses for years with recommendations on this Forum, so perhaps, they could give us a little of their time to read our concerns and reply to them?
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Can anyone tell me where this beach is :'( :'( How can something change so much and go unnoticed by the council.
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are we just talking about the main beach? what about the part to the right? (going away from Fethiye?)
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Living here for six years one thing I have learn't is Turkish bureaucracy can not be rushed.
Everything changed on the 30th March after the elections, services that were under the Fethiye Belideye are no more, I spoke to the head of the Dernek yesterday he is very much aware of peoples feelings and has been to meetings in Ankara Mugla and other places this week trying to get it sorted.
They are hopeful very soon the responsibilty for the beach will be in their hands.
Fingers crossed we will see some action in the next few days.
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are we just talking about the main beach? what about the part to the right? (going away from Fethiye?)
Not all the beach is a mess round Saat bar it is good at the top end Koca Calis is good people only post photo's of the worst bits.
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Just had a chat with Savas at George's, they have cleaned the beach in front of their
restaurant and he has put 2 beds out, he is hoping to buy some more, and some cushions. He said that there is a problem with the council ( which has been discussed in this thread), over the running of the beach. Hopefully some of the other restaurants will follow their lead, especially if it brings customers in.
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The beach bars in Koca Calis have always kept their bit clean. I know they rely more on beach goers than Calis restaurants do so maybe that's why? I suspect Guvens will be pretty tidy as well.
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I know Savas at Georges gets their part of the beach cleaned, I have seen the waiters doing it on many occasions, hopefully this cleaning process might be catching.. ;)
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well said Jacqui re the promoting of some of the business's on here over the years and how some could maybe voice their opinions/optons re the beach :) We spent one day on there in April, we are laying on the beach fans and it just felt and looked oogy.. The next day we walked up to Koca Calis and it was far nicer, in fact we had an absolutely lovely day took a picnic (and took our litter away with us after) and had the beach to ourselves it was a blissful day :) I did wonder when we were there in April who the two lonely looking sunbeds belonged to 8)
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I arrived on tuesday and think the beach is a disgrace and also calis in general.There is rubbish everywhere.The pavements near the new canal work just behind the oykun is terrible.it looks like the lorries have mounted the pavement and sunk the block paving making it difficult to walk.There are a few bars just doing renovations now.i have been coming here for many years but i am starting to wonder.I really do worry for calis.
Do the powers that be want calis to be like this so we all go into fethiye more?
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It is only a matter of time before someone has a very nasty fall, the pavements and the roads are a walkers nightmare. I have been coming here 10 years and never seen it so bad its a great shame as people wont come back.
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It's a sad day when even the owner and prime mover of this 10 year old Forum is going elsewhere for his holidays and even putting an image of the beautiful clean beach he is going to.
As a small point of order it has nothing to do with the beach - we go on our main holiday to ABT (Anywhere But Turkey) because we made a decision that the girls had seen plenty of Turkey in all the years of holidaying there and 5 years of full time living there. We go to a different and new country each year now to let them realise the World isn't the UK and Calis :)
We tend to grab a week in Calis later in the year if possible. The beach has never played much of a part in our holidays or time living there.
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April 21st last year
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has anyone got a up to date picture to compare?
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Last year I asked if anyone would join forces with me to clean it up.
Angel at nil said she would lay on snacks and the only people who messaged me to help were Vojos.
I have a bigger conspiracy theory about the area but those I've told think I'm losing the plot!
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If business owners are prepared to look at that mess day in and day out and do nothing they don't deserve customers.
The way to get them to do something is to refuse to spend your money at their business and tell them why.
If each business gave a few Lira per week they could find work for someone unemployed, a few hours a day keeping
the beach clean.
kayakebab, spill the beans. !! ;)
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That is a really good idea Kevin re paying someone a few lira to do the beach in front of each restaurant or if they are not allowed to accept cash a meal instaed :)yes me too Linda I am intrigued to hear your theory, I promise I wont think you are mad :)
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I was going to suggest we try to organize a litter picking day, but on reading posts again l see Kayakebab has already tried.
Even for those of us who never go on the beach surely it is to our advantage to make the area more appealing.
We can all moan but who is willing to actually lend a hand[/u][/u].
In my local area at home a political local group often organize litter picks in local parks etc. Admittedly we are trying to gain support but we also care about our environment. No other party does similar. Considering our rates on our house are £1800+ we should not have to do this but still we do.
How Turkey councils manage to do anything on the rates we pay out there on our villa, £35 for 2, amazes me.
Bin emptying alone is worth it let alone street lighting etc even if it is in the middle of the highway. The answer the to beach problem is in our hands , we may wait forever for council to do it. then it will be to late. i dont know enough people over there to organize anything but would willingly join in. Cant speak for the hubby though.
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I was going to suggest we try to organize a litter picking day
One of my conspiracy theories is the regular one where the feeling locally is "ignore it, eventually the British will do it".
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You old cynic you...
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As I don't have my own pool I regularly swim from the beach when I am in Calis. I think I will pick my spot and do my own litter pick unless someone on here sets a date for a mass litter pick.
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As of today. A little different and I don't mean just the weather...
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Our neighbours saw a turtle floundering in the water this morning close to the "landfill" picture I took the other day near Annas Bar - the council were called and someone was coming but it was thought it may have swallowed one of the many empty plastic bottles as they think they are jelly fish.
Maybe conservation of this area might spark some action?
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Neighbours have just come back again from the beach and the restaurant owners have had a meeting TODAY and they have concluded the council are not going to do anything so they are going to have a "clean up" on Monday morning at 11am - in front of their own restaurants and are saying any volunteers would be welcome. :)
Apparently - they are then going to get some sunbeds from the huge stacks at the end of the promenade - but not umberellas - not sure if they are stored elsewhere....
So at least some effort is being made which might prompt other actions ???
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Great news! I hope it happens.
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It beggars belief! Year after year and still the season starts and the beach isnt sorted! When will they learn? This year will be our 25th year in Calis and we have spent most of our holidays on the beach- we are sunbathers and having stayed at the hotels on the prom without pools of course we used the beach. Frankly- its always been cr*p. It has. We have even used it when the old wooden torture sunbeds were there- thats all we could do. When we asked our hotelier why he didnt have a pool- he pointed to the sea , just beyond our noses and said that was his pool- fair point! We will be there in a few weeks and despite having our own 'place' we are staying at a hotel on the prom- with a pool. However I suspect we may have to use the beach and I expect it will be cr*p- but it wont stop us using it. If it did we probably wouldnt be on our 25th year.
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You mean you have been coming to the same place every year for 25 years Cavfan, never been to another country for a holiday,!!!!! ???
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You're kidding Des, they're always on holiday somewhere :D
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ur new place? looks good des. where? u must have lifted those floorboards. lol just back from sunny Scotland. cheers mate.
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/11/gese5ysy.jpg)Casa Di Mamma boys cleaning beach today, good on them.
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Brilliant
Lets hope rest follow suit
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ur new place? looks good des. where? u must have lifted those floorboards. lol just back from sunny Scotland. cheers mate.
Hi Jack, Good to have you back, did you bring me back the 12 bottles of my favourite tipple, Glenmorangie , Will pay you when ive been to the bank. ;) :)
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Some action at last!
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It's great to see but (and not wanting to find a negative in a positive but here goes) why does it take websites like this to spur bar and restaurants into doing this every time. Can't they think of the idea themselves for once? Next year it will be the same. Would a UK butcher leave a dog turd on his doorstep until a customer mentions it would be a good idea to remove it?
But as I said elsewhere, well done to Vojo & Casa for at least making a start.
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I Agree with you Keith, and good on the lads, but now who supplies the sun beds and parasols , and as we all know you need some shade from the sun in Turkey. :)
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yes mate. will deliver or throw them across to u. lol
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I remember some years back approx 2005, the beach front bar/restaurant owners offered to clean their part of the beach, offer a waiter service, also sunbeds parasols etc. unfortunately there was an outcry from bars/restaurants who did not have a beach front that this action would take business away from them.
The fethiye belediyesi agreed that this was not a good idea and stopped the beach front owners from doing this. Now would it not have been a good idea at the time as fethiye belediyesi had the contract for the beach to sublet it to the beachfront owners, offsetting their contract cost.
Just too simple really.
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But as I said elsewhere, well done to Vojo & Casa for at least making a start.
Don't forget the Nil Bar too :D
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Don't forget the Nil Bar too :D
I haven't, credit to all who made the effort. At the time I made the initial post it was Vojo who had posted about it and Casa who were already out doing it. Praise to all who joined the cause. Including Nil :)
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George said everyone of the restaurants bar three took part, so perhaps we should take note of who did not help and keep them in mind when we are looking for places to eat on the prom?
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In 16 years of coming here and 6 years living here I have never been on the beach at Calis, except to take family to Guvens, so I am not going to boycott one of my favourite restaurants just because they chose not to do someone else's job for them.
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Mark, I'm not suggesting anybody boycotts any restaurant, all I was saying that while there was at least 100 people up and down the beach cleaning and tidying up, some restaurants (including some of of our favourites) allowed staff to stand and watch others clean in front of their establishment.
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Oh, and bye the way, why haven't you been on the beach? Perhaps because it's never been like this?
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Was planning to head anywhere but there for our beach days! But looking forward to spending a few hours down on the beach now 8)
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Are the sunbeds and umbrellas out ?
(or has nobody taken responsibility for that yet ?)
Should we bring our own ;)
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No umbrellas a few solitary sunbeds, but none of the council ones
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Mark, I'm not suggesting anybody boycotts any restaurant, all I was saying that while there was at least 100 people up and down the beach cleaning and tidying up, some restaurants (including some of of our favourites) allowed staff to stand and watch others clean in front of their establishment.
I know you were not George but Jacqui was and for the record I bloody hate beaches sand gets everywhere ;-)
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If someone tells me that three restaurants did not help clean the beach, I can take on board that information as everyone else can too, we are all grown up so we can make up our own minds where we want to eat.
However, for the record. I hate sitting on beaches too, but I like to sit at a restaurant on the prom and look at the beach and see it's lovely and clean and I also want new tourists to the area to see the same beautiful rubbish free view.
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When sitting in a prom restaurant I can't see the beach over the wall. :(
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I thought exactly the same. In the winter months when the beach is left full of fag butts, dog "stuff" and dead reeds, it used to be lovely to sit on the prom and look out at the bay without being able to see the beach ;)
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Exactly, perhaps someone can post a photograph from seat at even the front of a prom restaurant which shows the beach.
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Ha-ha! We said the same, if we're sitting in Hamsi for instance we can just see their lovely planted flowers in front if the wall, then the sea lapping gently. . . No beach, bliss really. :)
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It's beginning to look like a landslide :).
Who is going to claim that the beach is actually visible when sitting in a ground level prom restaurant ;).
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When sitting in a prom restaurant I can't see the beach over the wall. :(
Shorthouse !!
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Best take a booster cushion H ;)
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When we were over in April I saw a bloke vomit his breakfast/lunch over the beach, as his buddies laughed, before he went back to the bar for a shot or two. (about midday) I was very glad I couldn't see the beach that day!
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Does that mean that most of us have been complaining about the beach being dirty, but we rarely have a view of the beach anyway?? :)
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Yes.