Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: Jacqui Harvey on August 21, 2014, 12:15:21 PM
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I was informed of this review today and shocked when I read it. O.K. Calis is not perfect, but to say there is Karaoke in every bar and neon lights. It sounds like somewhere else that Bas and Barb went to.
http://eightandahalfjourneys.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/around-fethiye-calis-beach/
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Yep, totally agree Jaqui. Its not the Calis I know and love. :( Have written a polite reply.
We come out on Monday, cant wait. 8)
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:( Did they go to Marmaris instead of Calis beach?
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There's not karaoke every night but an increasing amount of neon and it is starting to look tacky.
I'd say its quite accurate actually.
Getting louder and louder since Beach house arrived...that end is definitely bring spoilt and sadly thats the first impression.
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but now you can have a pleasant evening meal with the background row of wall to wall football matches.
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Calis :o :-\ "Sex on the beach" :P where did they stay ;) sounds nothing like Calis to me
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From my holiday review
A is for ambiance. A personal opinion but I think there is far too much neon and noise on the front these days.
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They go on to say it is a budget holiday, and you can chill out on the beach all day, as if it's a plus, well a day on hard plastic beds or stones sticking in my ***e, and sitting among the ciggy stumps and dog s**t is certainly not a plus point, one mans meat is another mans poison,
Think Calis is a bit of a mix now, like the topic the other week, it has changed,
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It's actually nearly 2 years since they stayed. Article is dated 19th April 2013, & since they stayed in September that must have been 2012. They also seem to have been given some dodgy directions to the dolmus, they could much more easily have caught the Gunlukbasi one outside of the petrol station virtually next to Carrefour.
As for the rest one man's pleasure........................
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Great Advertisement for Interturk Estates.
Got to admit though, getting far too noisy for me, it has lost its charm of years ago, 2 weeks of walking prom and one street takes it toll.
Not to be berated by the CBF police.
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Calis :o :-\ "Sex on the beach" :P where did they stay ;) sounds nothing like Calis to me
The reviewer is referring to a drink, Patrice, not an activity in which they indulged ... but if you feel inclined ...
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Must agree that Calis is not what it used to be and as for karaoke, it does tend to lower the tone. The Beach bar is over the top with the loudness of its music and there are some others that try to compete but you will have to go a long way to find a nicer resort. We first came 11years ago and have been coming back ever since and will do so until we can no longer make it.
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Which beach bar is this? I'm due to arrive on Moday, staying at Sunset Beach Club
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It's loud but I doubt you'll hear it right down there. Don't panic!
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Isn’t it odd how you accept something until someone else points it out ?
I’d never really thought about it before, but those blokes selling cheap and nasty flashy and whirly things are just a bit tacky and do make the place resemble Blackpool.
Now that someone else has bought the subject up, these blokes are going to annoy the hell out of me.
I’ll be yearning to see the return of the more traditional Sock Man and the Carpet Man and the Perfume Man and the Rose Man and the boys with the Scales. ( And I never thought I’d ever say that !)
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Easy answer, if you don't like Calis, go elsewhere, I'm sure that the bar & restaurant owners won't miss anyone who decides to " move on " !! Lorraine HATES Calis with a vengeance, but puts up with it, because, quite personally, I LOVE it, I LOVE karaoke, I LOVE the " buzz " of the place, but then again , that's my choice. We come over on September 8th, but are staying just outside Hisaronu for a change, in an hotel which we have used before, far enough from the centre to be quiet, but not too far that we cannot go there when we feel like it . As I said before, if you don't like a place, no-one is forcing you to return !! 8) : :)
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It doesn't sound as though the reviewer will be returning. But you have to explore new places in order to know whether you like them or not. Reading reviews isn't much help, is it? Except on CBF of course ... he added sycophantically.
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Much in the same way some people love to spend their summer holiday up a mountain and I can never fathom why (Hisaronu/Ovacik), people are also allowed to not like Calis :)
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Calis :o :-\ "Sex on the beach" :P where did they stay ;) sounds nothing like Calis to me
[/quote]The reviewer is referring to a drink, Patrice, not an activity in which they indulged ... but if you feel inclined ...
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lol Whoops .....and a bit old for that now not the drink may I add but 'sex on the beach' :-[ ;)
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Sounds pretty accurate to me. We love where we stay in Calis but prefer to go into Fetihye for meals and evenings out. Calis is a bit tacky!
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Looks like Calis has now caught up and is similar to Hisaronu ;) for years on here the Calisites have lambasted , and knocked Hisaronu with comments like `Blackpool in the Sky` and ` `Hiroshima` and I agree....it is down Bar street particularly during July and August , Foam parties, neon lights, drag acts, karaoke, elvis impersonators, the list is endless.... and now its `Blackpool on a swamp` :D Calis is now comparable to Hisaronu according to many... and it will get worse in Calis.... like Hisaronu did.
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2 or 3 loud bars, a tacky light up robot dancer, one or 2 bars doing karaoke, a few silly balloons doth not a Hisaronu make.
Nowhere near.
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A bit harsh to say I hate Calis Gordon, I am just not into the tourist bit, Before when Calis used to close for the winter and there was no bar/restaurants open it was bliss, it appears it is now all year round "lets drink and be merry"
I prefer a quieter pace of life, so why the hell am I going to Hisaronu/Ovacik? well, I do have to think about the "ever young husband?" we really are chalk and cheese, but I can have the quiet and he can have the loud.
As long as he continues to take me to Scotland I can put up with his kind of holiday.
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Looks like Calis has now caught up and is similar to Hisaronu ;) for years on here the Calisites have lambasted , and knocked Hisaronu with comments like `Blackpool in the Sky` and ` `Hiroshima` and I agree...
Actually mate, it's us Kaya-ites that refer to Hissy as Hiroshima. ;)
To be perfectly honest Mrs KKOB and I dislike Calis, Hisaronu, Ovacik and Oludeniz equally during the holiday season and visited them very rarely when we lived out there. But, each to their own.
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A little bird told me that The Beach House will be no more at the end of this season.. That shud make it a bit quieter...
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Having visited Calis for 15 years and having lived there for a couple of years too, I have to say that on my last visit in June this year, I thought there was a different atmosphere about the place. Tourism is on the wain and bars and restaurants are having to do whatever they can to bring in custom. To this end, many places think that loud music, neon lights and some form of entertainment are the way to go and as long as their place is busy, they are more than happy. It's not for me but I can see where they're coming from. Sadly I will not visit as often as before and I can foresee Calis heading towards the likes of Hisaronu and Marmaris. As someone pointed out, if people don't like it, they can go elsewhere, which is fair enough. More and more people are going into Fethiye in the evenings.
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I think the reviewers have missed the point of Calis, we have bought an apt here after much searching of all areas because of the atmosphere, friendliness, the feeling of being very welcome and comfortable. A few loud bars, neon lights and fish and chips doesnt change how we feel overall. Its a pity they were so quick to be negative.
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But you are in the minority my friend Dafs, people who have lived here have spotted the change, and moved on, of course it was great, I live in Calis and prefer the peace and quiet of my complex, but I wouldn't entertain Calis prom anymore, I spend my time in Fethiye, but would,nt like to live there. i find the people that most defend it, are the ones that are all in the UK now. (could be wrong though) as replies will probably show. ;) ;)
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The one thing Calis has retained is the deep down feeling I get when we book to go, similar to the feeling I get when we arrive, and heading out and about. It's not something I get elsewhere and feels no different to how it felt years ago. I don't care much about neon, or souvenir shops or karaoke bars - I don't think anything about them good or bad.
As mentioned before, we eat less and less in Calis each time - but that is more because the places we view as "must do" evenings just happen to be elsewhere. I don't think it's much different to what it was say 10 years ago, and the special feeling isn't to be found (for me anyway) in Ovacik, or Gocek, or Spain.
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i find the people that most defend it, are the ones that are all in the UK now. (could be wrong though) as replies will probably show. ;) ;)
Meaning the people who defend it the least are the ones who live there permanently? Strange way to live Des :D
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Tourism is on the wain and bars and restaurants are having to do whatever they can to bring in custom. To this end, many places think that loud music, neon lights and some form of entertainment are the way to go and as long as their place is busy, they are more than happy.
I thought this was an interesting suggestion. Does anyone have a comment on it?
In the early 1990s I think Calis was dominantly a resort aimed at German tourists; hotel, bar and restaurant staff spoke German, lots of places had big cake cabinets outside for the compulsory German tradition of Cake & Coffee at 4pm. By the end of the 1990s it was the British who were the majority of tourists and the resort changed. In the last few years Turkey's British visitor numbers have stagnated and German tourism has declined very significantly. Whereas Germans used to be by far the biggest tourist group for Turkey it is now, by a very long way, Russians. I doubt that many of them visit Calis. Is the tourism model of Calis now outdated? Are the prom businesses, as Ray suggests, desperately trying to hang on - swimming against a receding tide?
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Done it for 5 years Keith, same as you did. your replies to me lately same to have changed, have I done something to upset you?. ;)
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Not at all Des, I was just wondering why you had turned so anti-Calis lately. You are allowed to of course :D
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A popular long established Hisaronu restaurant owner friend of ours said to us last year.... its a different `class` of english visitor we get in Hisaronu now compared to say 10 / 15 years ago. Many of todays visitors ( not everyone of course ) but a big chunk of them want the dreaded karaoke, foam parties, boom boom blaring music, elvis impersonators, late night clubs,fair grounds,and drag acts... so the Turkish bar, and establishment owners give them what they want.. and the result is.. yes... its Blackpool in the sky in abundance . Its all about money, and catering for the majority.......... Calis now it seems is going the same way
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Not at all Des, I was just wondering why you had turned so anti-Calis lately. You are allowed to of course :D
You misunderstood me Keith, I have never been anti Calis, I am anti Calis prom, as previous posts from me will show, I along with lots of people on here think the beach is crap, the restaurants are over rated, I M O, step off the prom into meeting point, mangals, franks, dawn beach, and brothers, etc, etc,,I am not the only one who does,nt use the prom anymore, Ive just got the guts to say it. Rant over. : ;)
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Blue touch paper well and truly lit :) :) :)
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Much in the same way some people love to spend their summer holiday up a mountain and I can never fathom why (Hisaronu/Ovacik), people are also allowed to not like Calis :)
And vice versa
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Not at all Des
I should have said Not at all Des, I'm looking forward to seeing you for a beer or 5 ;)
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Much in the same way some people love to spend their summer holiday up a mountain and I can never fathom why (Hisaronu/Ovacik), people are also allowed to not like Calis :)
And vice versa
I think I covered the vice versa ;)
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Totally agree Des. I go along there for my shift in the charity shop and the occasional brekkie at eyna and in the winter I will go to the Nil for Turkish lessons.
Love the meeting point and the new lokanta, but otherwise prefer to stroll into Fethiye for lunch, or go for Turkish brekkie in Yaniklar.
when I have gone down there its been packed, a lot of Turkish tourists again this year and a lot of younger people.
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We haven't seen the sunset from the prom (or the prom at dinner time) for years - I like a walk down in the day and lunch now and again. I also like all the expats who's heads going together when they note we are in town 8)
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I think the '8 1/2 Journeys' reviews are pretty accurate for not just Calis Beach but Hisaronu and Olu Deniz too. I find the review of Kas less accurate - very nice place but hardly typically Turkish surely.
I feel the reviews are accurate observations but the tone is very negative as befits someone looking for 'real Turkey' in the wrong places. The resorts are what they are but the region as a whole still beckons people back and it is the specialness of the area that made me call this place my home.
However, I never realised how unsociable and selfish I was until I came to live here though. Sorry but the sooner the tourists leave the better, then I can get back to enjoying living here :D
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I don't expect the many Turkish holidaymakers in Calis are in search of the real Turkey either.
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My daughter and her family are in Calis at the moment and tell me it is packed. They tried to have a walk down the Main Street to look in the shops and they could not get in the shops. So Calis must be doing something right.
I also think that there are not a lot of Karaoke bars. I can only think of a couple on the prom. Most of the other places are not noisy. The couple who reviewed Calis only reviewed the prom. There are other restaurants, say on the Market Road, that are lovely and not noisy. There is no comparison between Hisaronu and Calis Beach.
As Scunner says, we too always get a great buzz when we arrive in Calis and love the place. Of course, there are changes, this will always be so, but I really hope others restaurants will not want to copy Vojo's. However, the Calis Beach Forum gave them a great vote this year as a newcomer, so their sort of entertainment must be wanted by members here, which is puzzling when I read the postings on this thread.
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We have been visiting calis for over ten years and paraded the prom most nights during our visits.its always been noisy towards the centre road and quieter at either of the ends. You can choose which decibel level you want to enjoy. Neon lights are great forms of advertising art and the more the merrier.
Karioke bars are a wondrous places for the musically and vocally challenged to give their all. You just have to walk quickly past them or take out the hearing aid if you don't enjoy.
Although we are due out in Sept to stay in Uzumlu, we plan to stay over at the Letoon two nights to sample the delights of the prom again.
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I'm back for the first time in 2 years and can honestly say I do not recall it being this busy for a long time. Most of the restaurants were packed when we went down to Calis for an evening meal. The beach is generally busy in the day as well.
We also walked the Prom to Fethiye and again noted that most of the restaurants from Matisse to the water taxi stop in Fethiye itself were busy.
The only thing we did notice was that if you walk to Calis front and turn left on the prom (Anna's bar direction) they were very noticeably more quiet.
Great news generally though
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We only holiday in Calis in May/June or September/October so have never experienced the neon lights or loud music on this thread. I would presume that the people who choose to holiday in the peak season are the ones who appreciate the karaoke and loud music. I would like to say that if this the way the resort is going then I would not be returning, which would make me very sad.
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Hi All, this is my first post on the forum and been interesting reading all the comments.
We have been visiting Calis Beach for the last 3 years and have booked again for next year as we love it. We usually stay on the beach front in the quieter end next to Letoon Hotel, we absolutely love watching the sunsets in the evening and having the choice of either a few quiet drinks and decent food close to our accommodation, or if we want a bit more nightlife we move along the promenade and up the main street. We find the people in the shops, bars and restaurants so friendly, a nice change from Spanish resorts and great value for money too. There was just one bar we found a bit annoying this visit and it was next to Brothers, trying to eat our meal with the sounds of an awful Karaoke singer ringing in our ears was not the best, but sounded like they were enjoying themselves.
It's also so easy to visit Fethyie, Olu Deniz from there and we love the little boat trips too. Over the last few years we have made many friends in Calis, ex-pats and returning tourists - so for now it continues to be one of our favourite places to stay.
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Very busy it is indeed. However this is not restricted to Calis, it's the same everywhere from Olu Deniz, through Hissy and down into Fethiye itself. I have never seen so many Turkish cars and visitors to the area, especially seen when you see the traffic going to and from Olu Deniz. Which makes me think that this welcome increase in economic terms to the whole area is more to do with the Ramazan dates this year pand following National holidays followed by extended personal and family holidays.
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This is my first year here in the high season and it has come as a shock. Which is ridiculous, I know. But I genuinely didn't realise it got this busy.
Obviously I fully appreciate that the area is what it is because of the high level of tourism. My nearest neighbour recently completed renovations on his house, converting from two apartments to one luxe villa. He filled every week up till the end of October within 2 weeks of advertising online at the end of June.
The owner of the boat trip we went on on Tuesday said it was his best year yet. We were one of only two non Turkish families on the boat too. He has recently started to take requests from Istanbul businesses wanting to hire his large boat out for clients and staff outings.
The maintenance company we use are having to turn work away, demand is so high and an estate agent friend says it is the busiest he has been since starting up his company.
I am also fast becoming a licence plate spotter nerd, telling you which city in Turkey the car in front is from ..... my favourite, so far was the old Tofaş Murat travelling at 20mph down the hill from Ovacik to Fethiye with a 72 (Batman) plate :)
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I may be wrong Menthol but you seem to be stopping short of saying more
"But I genuinely didn't realise it got this busy", and [please insert comment]............................
"Obviously I fully appreciate that the area is what it is because of the high level of tourism" but [please insert comment]...........
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No prompting. ;D
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We're here in Calis at the moment,and yes it's the busiest we've ever seen,went to Frank Cannons 2 nights ago about 8.00pm it's was jam packed,we had to go for a little stroll and go back,one table empty never seen hubby move so fast lol great meal there as usual. Plenty of flashing neon lights and guys with the flashing whirly things,didn't hear loud music though and we didn't leave till gone 11.30.
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Fethiye in general is very busy with Turkish tourist at the moment because most of them delayed their holidays for voting .Calis is changing and not for the best. It is desperately in need of a face lift and not just the roads and canals (which still look crap).If Calis remains looking half finished next year then this will really cause problems for hotels and bars as people will start going elsewhere. I have had to put up with rubbish and dust all season due to poor managment skills of the work schedule and money allocation by Mugla. Fethiye seems to get all the road cleaners and workers as it looks 500 times better than calis for being kept clean and tidy.I have always said Fethiye comes first and Calis is a sorry looking 3rd as Oludenize takes the 2nd spot. :'(
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We only went to Calis once last year, and this year is the same, but when we go somewhere else I am always thinking, can't wait to go to Calis, we are going on Sunday and it will be our 25th year there, and I am still looking forward to it as much as the first time, a bit like the other half, we all have our bad bits but they grow on you. ;)
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I may be wrong Menthol but you seem to be stopping short of saying more
"But I genuinely didn't realise it got this busy", and [please insert comment]............................
"Obviously I fully appreciate that the area is what it is because of the high level of tourism" but [please insert comment]...........
I think I said it really, H. I want all the tourists to bog off home! Actually mid Sept and October are lovely months here - everything still open but not so many people around. Same for May and June. But I still love it here. Very much.
I LOVE Fethiye but am currently avoiding going there as there is never anywhere to park, the dolmus all resemble sardine cans and all my fave places for chai or to eat are full >:(
Didn't take long did it to turn me from eager tourist to grumpy ex-pat did it? :D
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Could I just ask if Bernie's return to UK has maybe unsettled you a bit, perhaps made you doubt your own decision, I'm probably wrong but it must have slightly given you food for thought. :)
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Didn't take long did it to turn me from eager tourist to grumpy ex-pat did it? :D
But you are very self-aware, Menthol. At least that is the impression I get. You know you would never have decided to live in that area if you, too, hadn't been a tourist there. People often retire to places they had first seen as tourists and then complain that it is full of tourists. If you had gone to the pleasant coastal town of Finike, at the south of the Tepe Peninsula, quite a way past Kalkan and Kas, you might have found no foreign tourists at all there and might, as I did, find that no-one you met spoke English. Very attractive place, beautiful sandy beach over a mile long with hardly anybody there. But no British holidaymakers (or any other foreigners) and hence no-one speaking English (no-one I met anyway). Just as well that I had a smattering of Turkish.
Lovely place; no tourists; nice seaside with a crystal-clear river coming through the town down to the marina; but no English spoken. Would you want to live there? Your summers would be much quieter.
Doesn't stop you wanting the tourists to go home though, does it?
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Not for the first time this week, I'm struggling with a thread on here.
Menthol are you really saying that whilst you are in the fortunate position of being able to choose to live in the Calis area you resent Brenda and I coming for two weeks once or twice a year.
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I think everyone must feel too hot and irritable, I don't think Menthol is targeting anyone in particular. She's just being honest, it's no different to everyone getting ratty and fed up with the busy, crowded shopping malls at Christmas. It will pass and people living there know that. It doesn't stop it being irritating though.I personally couldn't stand it there in July or August, if I lived there I'd have to find an excuse to go anywhere else that is cooler! UK probably ;)
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Oh wow. Perhaps I should be less honest.
Do I find not being able to get around easily irritating? Yes I do. I'm sorry, but I do.
Do I understand why I can't get around easily? Of course I do - I chose to live in a tourist area that turns into a happy sort of bedlam for approx 6 weeks of the year.
Will I still occasionally grumble about not being able to park in my town? Yes, I will.
Is this such strange behaviour?
And echogirl, slikmrs and slik leaving for the UK is indeed a blow when we have all become such good friends, but their experience and feelings are not mine. Will we welcome them to stay with us if and when they feel like returning as tourists * hawk and spit*, absolutely :D Just as my own family are doing and will continue to do.
And Colwyn, Finike sounds like heaven. It sounds like the sort of heaven I should crave but as you hinted at, probably not somewhere I could realistically happily live.
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I find myself unable to disagree with much of your reply Menthol.
We spent today in Olü with a family who have two teenagers, they've been coming here for about three years and felt that they had seen and done everything this area has to offer. When they asked us a question "where in Turkey can we go that might be better than here" too be honest, we were stumped?
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Menthol forgive me - but surely tourism adds to the local economy and helps to raise the living standards of the local people in your town
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H. You know and I know that tourism does exactly what you say it does. But that doesn't stop the residents of Devon or Cornwall who know their livelihood depends on tourism becoming a little agitated when their county swells several fold in the summer months. Nobody is resentful of that but in truth, and especially towards the end of a season, residents long for their peace and tranquility to return.
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Strangely I never got irritated by the influx of many tourists, I quite liked it. But I also enjoyed a sigh of relief when it was all over. I grew to hate the heat of July/August and longed for October and later. The leaving of tourists signaled these days were coming :)
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I might agree with you regarding the residents of Devon and Cornwall. But if I decided to move to Devon and Cornwall it would be in the certain knowledge that there would be a tourist season, that my move would not influence that fact and that I would be obliged to embrace it.
Incidentally, Brenda and I moved to the Highlands 40 odd years ago and we are still considered as incomers :)
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Compared to most on this site we are relative newcomers, this year our 5 th year and this was our best year, we stayed at telmessos which is basic and out of the way, we ventured into Calis and Fethiye for night life and great restaurants and we're not disappointed, it still has a rustic charm and we still have a wish list of things to do.
I guess if you look at change too deeply you will see cracks that will change the way you see Calis, but as a newcomer I see chalis as a really fun place to be with restaurants that aim to please with good old fashioned courtesy and a cheery smile, in some ways I miss the Banter trying to get you in the restaurants, all you have to do is be polite and tell them maybe next time.
We didn't do the beach but I know there was a lot of criticism of the condition of It, but the locals along with the help of the forum got it sorted, and how cool was that, and by the time we had arrived it looked pretty good to us, and that comerarde is what keeps us coming back, familiar faces and of course the weather, perhaps our love of Calis and turkey is based on our romantic notion that if you are nice to people they are nice back, and that has certainly been our experience in Calis, and we cannot wait to come back next year, and respect to all on the forum that continue to answer our questions and make our trips more enjoyable xx
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Well said Cheffy couldn't have put it better ourselves ☺
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I completely understand - and agree with - Menthol's view.
Kaya is much quieter than Fethiye or Hisarönü, for example, but I can still get irritated when the street is blocked by a couple of coach-loads of visitors on a day trip. (Anyone remember the Lilt advert when there are two cars and some chickens and everyone's saying 'Oh no, gridlock'?! ;D )
Of course, they also boost the economy and I'm lucky that I can hide away at home until they've cleared off. It's not a case of out-and-out resentment; more that we - and Menthol - have taken to this place so completely that we already feel part of its fabric and are protective of it, especially against those who perhaps don't seem to appreciate or love it so much.
That said, I do love people-watching when the visitors are here, especially on the strip in Hisarönü at night....
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Calis..... The Marmite of Turkey.
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Bloody Tourists, Bah Humbug. ;) ;) Ooops just forgot, got my Daughter and Grandchildren coming out next week, Will they be classed as tourists? ;) :) :) :)
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Menthol forgive me - but surely tourism adds to the local economy and helps to raise the living standards of the local people in your town
I forgive you, H.
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This thread was originally about a review of Calis, which some thought put Calis in a bad light and others seemed to think that it was fairly accurate IMO. From my viewpoint, I concluded that some of the posts were from those who visit during the cooler periods, early and late season, when it is quieter who seemed to disagree with the review and those who visited during the high season, who on the whole concurred with the blog.
It now seems to have degrenerated into an ex-pat -v- tourist spat. What has always mystified me is the attitude of SOME expats towards "tourists", (or people on their annual holidays). I have witnessed them being spoken about as if they are second class citizens, because they choose to use Calis/Fethiye as their preferred place for a vacation. I would ask how 99% of expats first came across Calis and fell in love with it? Surely they were the tourists they now berate for taking over "their" town. I wonder if anyone has thought to ask the indigenous popultion of the area what they think about foreigners moving into their country and changing it out of all recognition. :o
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A lot of what you say is right Old Nick, but it isn't a Calis thing. It isn't even a British thing. I have experienced the air of superiority of expats in Portugal, Spain and even Dubai. It is a strange state of affairs for sure, when people living abroad think they know more, should get things quicker, bigger or cheaper than those just visiting.
But not a Calis thing ;)
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I suppose its the way some tourists act,as got something to do,with what expats think of them,
And vice/versa,
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This thread was originally about a review of Calis, which some thought put Calis in a bad light and others seemed to think that it was fairly accurate IMO. From my viewpoint, I concluded that some of the posts were from those who visit during the cooler periods, early and late season, when it is quieter who seemed to disagree with the review and those who visited during the high season, who on the whole concurred with the blog.
It now seems to have degrenerated into an ex-pat -v- tourist spat. What has always mystified me is the attitude of SOME expats towards "tourists", (or people on their annual holidays). I have witnessed them being spoken about as if they are second class citizens, because they choose to use Calis/Fethiye as their preferred place for a vacation. I would ask how 99% of expats first came across Calis and fell in love with it? Surely they were the tourists they now berate for taking over "their" town. I wonder if anyone has thought to ask the indigenous popultion of the area what they think about foreigners moving into their country and changing it out of all recognition. :o
The definition of Indigenous Nick is (born in or of a natural country. so I assume you mean all Turks, im sure a lot of them would be grateful to have some people who have chose to live here or wherever else in turkey to frequent their restaurants, bars , cafes, etc in the winter months, Fethiye is a working town and most establishments are open all year round and as not many tourists here in the winter months they are happy to make a bit of income from these free spending ex pats. ;) cant follow your point of it being changed out of all recognition though. :)
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Des, I did refer to the indigenous population of the area, hence I was referring to the Calis/Fethiye Turkish community. My reference to the area changing out of all recognition was a reflection on the photographs which have previously been posted on this forum of the area from the past, I am sure there must be many of our Turkish neighbours who look back with nostalgia to times prior to the area becoming a tourist resort and where Turkish was the only language spoken. Just as SOME expats seem, in Scunner's words, "to have an air of superiority", have these expats, who berate "tourists" ever stopped to think of the effect on our Turkish friends of their presence in Calis/Fethiye. Just an observation, not a critisim and certainly not aimed at ALL expats.
And yes Scunner, I do know that this attitude is not confined to Calis only, but as the post was about a review of Calis and it is on a Calis Beach Forum, my remarks are made only regarding Calis. :)
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Many years ago there was photograph on here of Calis pre-tourism when there was a narrow spit of land on the coast behind which was a large expanse of water. Along the spit ran a rail line to the far end where the canal meets the bay where there was a small quay for loading coal (I think). That was when Calis Plaji really was a work beach. Has anyone got a copy?
On the question of the indigenous population of the area, I wonder how many of the residents Turks were born and bred in the area. Many seem to have come from eastern Turkey or other parts of the country. One I know, when I commented on the friendliness and hospitality of Turkish people, replied "Not in Fethiye. They don't know hospitality here. Not hospitality like we know in the east." I wonder these "incomers" go down with locals, let alone Brit expats.
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I must have missed the bit where ex-pats have 'berated' tourists in this thread, in fact I also must have missed the times where ex-pats berate tourists in general. It's not a conversation I can honestly say that I've ever been involved in with other ex-pats here.
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I think you move in different circles George ;)
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Rimms, I did not say that any expat had "berated" tourists in this thread, although a couple have come close. I said that I had witnessed it. You seem like a pretty laid back, happy with your lot sort of guy, so perhaps you don't move in those circles, but believe me, I have had conversations with plenty of expats whose attitude towards holiday makers stinks. >:(
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I did not intend to cause offence to anyone on here or indeed not on here.
My humour can be questionable, I agree, but that is what it is, humour. However, if anyone has been upset by remarks, then please accept my apologies.
Enjoy the forum, it really is ace.
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Just wanted to put in my two pennorth. The only full time resident on the complex where we holiday regularly, who is a lovely, witty man who keeps the complex beautifully (at no charge), always makes us laugh when he says roll on October when all you lot have gone home. I am sure in some ways he means it but I am sure he misses the regulars and the banter round the pool. It is a fine line between living somewhere, and having other apartments rented out by all and sundry for the season, as Slikmrs has found to her cost.
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Many years ago there was photograph on here of Calis pre-tourism when there was a narrow spit of land on the coast behind which was a large expanse of water. Along the spit ran a rail line to the far end where the canal meets the bay where there was a small quay for loading coal (I think). That was when Calis Plaji really was a work beach. Has anyone got a copy?
On the question of the indigenous population of the area, I wonder how many of the residents Turks were born and bred in the area. Many seem to have come from eastern Turkey or other parts of the country. One I know, when I commented on the friendliness and hospitality of Turkish people, replied "Not in Fethiye. They don't know hospitality here. Not hospitality like we know in the east." I wonder these "incomers" go down with locals, let alone Brit expats.
I think its this one you are talking about.
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(http://s27.postimg.org/b1ur6ws9r/20130426_122318.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/b1ur6ws9r/)
Sorry some thing went wrong the first time.Is it this one .
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^Looks the same as it does now other than the toilet facilities have gone down hill since this pic :)
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And there is less rubbish laying around and no bloody tourist's ;D ;D
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Personally I love all the seasons here. The winter when it's quiet and we can enjoy a pleasant walk in the sun without melting or pop down to the beach and have it virtually all to ourselves! Catch up and socialize with friends we never see in summer. Lighting the fire when the sun goes down and the temperatures drop to near freezing and snuggling up watching some mindless crap on tele of an evening.
I also love the spring as it starts to get busy and the summer months with the buzz in the air of people excited and enjoying the holiday they have scraped and saved for come over. The best part is meeting and spending time with new and old people/friends hearing their stories and experiences and sharing with them of places they can visit and things they can do.
I'm sure many of us can remember times when Hisarönü was nothing more than a dirt track with a couple of pensions, Ölüdeniz and Çaliş just strips of sand. Huge parts of these areas have developed around tourism and many locals have become very rich as a result through selling off their land for development. There is good and not so good in all of this just as there are some people you can never please and others happy to embrace what's on offer but it's what you make of it that's important whether you live here or just visit for two weeks in the sun.
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here here ! well said. I have lived and worked in Turkey but i chose to buy a holiday home in Calis as i knew i didnt want to move out full time. I thought it had the right balance, enough going on to please my family and friends but still quiet enough out of season for me. As i stated before, i found the friendliness and the welcome second to none, not so sure now, didnt think i would be thought of as a "bloody tourist" just because i dont live in Calis all year round.
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It was chrome ore Colwyn shipped by barge from catalarik open mine to boats waiting by the Sat restaurant . ;)
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I think its this one you are talking about.
That's the one. Thanks mac2010.