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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: desmartinson on May 08, 2015, 05:42:54 AM
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:) :) :)
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I have always been a Labour supporter. It's in my DNA. BUT, in a strange way I am glad the Tories have got back in this time and hopefully with a clear majority because:
1. There will not be another coalition government with the idiots who call themselves the Lib Dems;
2. The Conservatives are a lot more skeptical than most when it comes to the various policies connected with climate change and;
3. There is likely to be a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU.
There, I've said it. Just waiting for a bolt of lightning to strike me now!
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Well said and agree coalition no good to anyone, I think a bolt of lighting has just struck again they are talking about Miliband standing down and Ed balls becoming Labour leader, Well the shadow chancellor has just lost his seat to the Tories,
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4. It doesn't give the minority SNP disproportionate power in Westminster
Still a bad day for the most vulnerable however.
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4. It doesn't give the minority SNP disproportionate power in Westminster
Still a bad day for the most vulnerable however.
Agreed!
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Well said and agree coalition no good to anyone, I think a bolt of lighting has just struck again they are talking about Miliband standing down and Ed balls becoming Labour leader, Well the shadow chancellor has just lost his seat to the Tories,
BallsUp got binned so who's tipped to replace him? Yes his wife Yvette Cooper
She's another of the "new labour, straight out of Oxford into a political adviser job, got caught fiddling her expenses, never held a proper job in her life." brigade.
FFS, what has happened to the Labour party.....Me grandad will be turning in his grave muchin his old cloth cap.
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That's us ******ed
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If, as it looks likely Milliband resigns he should knuckle down and work hard in his neglected constituency now. It's well known in Doncaster this is the case.
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Food banks,
Zero Hour Contracts
Probable rise in VAT
Tax cuts for the rich
Armed forces cut
School fees
No change then
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Well that's the UK election out of the way. Now we can focus on the one in Turkey next month.
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Loz, you forgot about 'NHS sell off'
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The sell off started by Blair/New Labour.??
I think a Majority Government will be good for the country. Immigration controls stand a better chance.
I think once the scroungers have been weeded out the vunerable will be protected.
The Human Rights and EU brigade will have less chance to interfere.
The biased and financially irresponsable BBC will be made accountable at last.
And the SNP have lost their wrecking tool, he's resigned.
A good day for the UK.
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I'm not an expert on food banks, when I was a young and a newly married struggling parent during the 70s recession they didn't exist. The fact that there are now places that give away free food and that these places are becoming more and more popular seems to be hard to understand by some, it seems perfectly obvious to me that the more food banks that open, the more popular they will become and whether this is an indication of government policy driving increasing poverty or if it's an indication of a society that believes most things should be provided by someone else, well I'm not really sure?
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Rimms, you say that these places are becoming more "popular". I don't think that is the right term. There are certainly more of them and more people going to them. It helps to understand food banks if you know how they work. Hilary used to work for our local food bank at Tesco. Clients there had to referred by certain people - such as social workers, church ministers or schoolteachers. Then they were only allowed a limited number of parcels each year - in Hilary's place four a year. Many of the people who collected parcels would only accept food for their children; they didn't want any for themselves. She was in no doubt about the good the food bank was doing. In they end she left because the organizers were a Christian group who made it very clear for both volunteers and clients that this was a religious charity (they began the day with prayers) and, not being a Christian, she felt increasingly uncomfortable with the charity/missionary nature of the organization.
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I'm all for charity and I'm sure many people do need the food provided. But I wonder how many have Sky TV or smoke and could give up both to provide extra food? Do the people referring them actually go and look at their home situation?
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We are talking about volunteer charity workers here, Stoop, not the Gestapo.
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"When people in a democracy are not educated in the art of living --- to strengthen their conscience, compassion, and ability to question and think critically --- they can be easily manipulated by fear and propaganda. A democracy is only as wise as its citizens, and a democracy of ignorant citizens can be as dangerous as a dictatorship."
-- Paul K. Chappell
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Forgive me menthol, but can you please explain that quote to me. :)
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It's lost on me as well H ??
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Methinks she,s been on Capstan full strength instead of Menthol Fags. ;) :)
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I think it's a spell that Menthol, Wordbird and Angela use at their Coven gatherings. It's encrypted.
Back at the election, isn't it ironic that people who voted Green wasted paper. !!
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We are talking about volunteer charity workers here, Stoop, not the Gestapo.
So no checks then? - by those putting them forward I mean - not the charity workers who dish out the food.
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"When people in a democracy are not educated in the art of living --- to strengthen their conscience, compassion, and ability to question and think critically --- they can be easily manipulated by fear and propaganda. A democracy is only as wise as its citizens, and a democracy of ignorant citizens can be as dangerous as a dictatorship."
-- Paul K. Chappell
I don't have any difficulty in understanding what Chappell is saying. I don't agree with him though and think his approach is worse than what he is criticizing. Essentially he is saying you have to earn your right to engage in democracy by reaching prescribed levels of conscience, compassion and ability to think critically. This is not the basis of democracy. That basis is that the only right you need is to be an adult citizen (or in the UK "subject"} who is not invalidated by being a serving convict or already having a vote by virtue of being a peer of the realm. Our democracy was not constructed by people "educated in the art of living" it was the outcome of a struggle by "ignorant citizens" to have their say even it meant taking on their "betters". Well done, them.
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[/quote]he is saying you have to earn your right to engage in democracy by reaching prescribed levels of conscience, compassion and ability to think critically.
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Take the vote off all who appear on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
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Take the vote off all who appear on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
Why should Jeremy Kyle lose his right to vote ??
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Restrict his right to vote? Gordon, if I had my way I'd restrict his right to oxygen.
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Stoop..why don't you find out where your nearest one is and offer a hand. Usually it's a half day a week or so organising the produce and toiletries (yes the poor go without soap too). The vast majority of Customers are genuine needy people referred by social services, schools,doctors and religious members k f society.
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I happen to know that at one time the Eastern Europeans where going around all their local food banks and pickng up a bag of food at each one so they did not have to buy any groceries.
The local Government Offices now give people a voucher for food, so the really needy do get their allocation and there is no cheating.
This is from someone who works at a the local Goverment Offices, apparently the very needy are really not trying it on, a lot of them are working single parents who just don't have enought money left after they pay their bills for food.
If you find out where your local drop off point is, you can hand in a bag of groceries, they ask for tinned and packet items and things that will not go off. This is a very worthy cause.
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I'm really intrigued by the result in Scotland where the sudden rise in nationalism saw the SNP sweep the board. From what I gather, the SNP campaign was based on the call for something called full fiscal autonomy (FFA) the headline for this being the Scots keep North Sea oil revenues and tax revenues. Now it comes to light that what they failed to mention that FFA could mean the end of something called the Barnet Formula which sees every person in Scotland receives £1,600 more state funding from Westminster than people living in England, this allows Scots to offer things like free prescriptions and free university places for example. Removing this support would cause a £7billion hole that the SNP would have to fill with either cuts or tax rises.
Now what I find intriguing is that as a nation, nobody seemed to ask the detailed question about what FFA means in reality yet supported the rallying call to keep oil revenues and taxes.
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A couple of factors in Scotland which has caused the rise of people voting for the SNP. One which is mentioned all the time in the Scottish media is, the Labour Party stood with the Conservatives to ask the Scots not to vote Yes in the vote for Scottish Independence. Even though the vote was No. The Labour supporters up here, even the ones that voted No, hated the idea that Labour could join together with the Conservatives and be on the same stage as them agreeing. The Labour voters felt let down by this.
Second factor, Nichola Sturgeon who has never been off the T.V. in Scotland and has been very charismatic in telling the Scots how wonderful it would be to have a fairer Scotland with a big say in what goes on up hear if they voted SNP. She has also explained how the Scots have been let down by the Labour Party who through their lot in with the Conservatives. It has all worked. Nicola is a very good Politician.
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Interesting......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281
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Now what I find intriguing is that as a nation, nobody seemed to ask the detailed question about what FFA means in reality yet supported the rallying call to keep oil revenues and taxes. End Quote.
I know what " S.F.A." means , and that is precisely what anyone not of the same ilk as Cameron and his cronies will get from another 5 years of food banks, zero hours contracts , benefit cuts for the most needy, and a good bloody kicking when they are down, for the pensioners and disabled this time around !! " SWEET F*%K ALL " !!
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Thank you for that insightful commentary Gordon, but you didn't really answer my question regarding the multi billion black hole that will arise from the plans laid down by the SNP. but maybe like Ms. sturgeon, it's better to say nothing?
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The SNP's referendum calculations were based on the oil price being £113 per barrel. It is now £ 59.00. :o
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So like I said, the whole economic argument is flawed yet nobody picked it up. Scary really
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I hope and believe that the SNP success was more an attempt to stop the Conservatives than a vote for a further referendum.
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From what I understand Brenda, a further referendum trying to reverse the recent and overwhelming No Vote was never part of the SNP manifesto, where as this seemingly massively flawed financial plan was at the heart of their success. I don't get it, do you?
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Sorry folks - that was me posting under Brenda's name.
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No Rimms I don't and neither did 55 % of the voters last September.
If there is another referendum it will be scandalous. It will prove that the SNP lied to the Scottish people.
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My problem with Nicola Sturgeon is that I cannot take her seriously after hearing her described as the third Krankie.
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Only time will tell, but I cannot help but wonder whether a couple of years in, the constituents of these newly elected M.Ps. (some of whom appear to be very inexperienced politicians) will still be celebrating the landslide. ???
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So what if the SNP get their wish?
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On Sky news earlier they said Sturgeon has appealed to Cameron to grant her power over Taxation and Welfare as a matter of urgency.
Is she trying to anticipate the fallout when the truth sinks in. ??? She doesn't normally ask, she demands. !!
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Granted, Barnet Formula cancelled.
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Rimms - God only knows
kevin3 - she treats the people of England's vote with the seemingly same contempt as she does with the 55 % Referendum NO vote
Sadler - an excellent point. The UK Parliament lost decent people - Danny Alexander, Douglas Alexander, Charles Kennedy and others
CleopatrasAsp - I take it that your post was in jest :)
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Danny Alexander decent?
Is that the Danny Alexander who's party sought to abolish the position of Scottish secretary - and when offered that very position in a coalition government accepted it?
Not really my definition of 'decent'.
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Charles Kennedy, turning up pi$$ed for events and getting fined for smoking on a train, now there's a decent chap :D
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"turning up pi$$ed for events and getting fined for smoking on a train"
Doesn't make him a bad person ;).
Besides, he always had the interests of the Highlands at heart.
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"turning up pi$$ed for events and getting fined for smoking on a train"
Does make him a bad person ;).
Doesn't make a bad "person", just a pretty pi$$ poor elected representative of his constituents.
JF
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I was trying to say I like him :)
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Oops sorry :-[ :-[ :-[
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I was trying to say I like him :)
I don't like him.
JF
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Now about that austerity thingy...................
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It could of course be heading for the local foodbank!!!
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Sorry cocked it up.............didn't mean to post twice. It's late and past me bedtime!!!
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The night before the Election the local Labour guy knocked the door canvassing.
I must say I was very impressed with his party's plans to build more schools,
increase spending on the elderly and improve relations with the community.
I think that's what his translator said. !!
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If I could give a fig, I would post a vote for the biggest clown post election.
The two candidates would be gorgeous (?) George Galloway and Nigel (I'm a man of my word) Farage.
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It will be interesting to see how many time the elected members of the snp vote on purely English / Welsh or northern island matters. I think less people voted for them at this election than voted yes in the referendum. Under half the number of votes ukip won, yet they are still angry about something all the time.
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This picture was taken in 2004, delivery for Mr. Brown
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/theres-more-to-the-picture-of-champagne-outside-number-11-than-you-think--xJgvEXEvRxW?fb_action_ids=10153854226769502&fb_action_types=og.shares
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Just goes to show, a picture from No.10 or No.11 could have been taken at any time in the last 11 years. I bet there is somewhere else that deliveries are made, rather than the front doors.
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I admit to being a true blue Tory.
and I actually think this is very clever
but he,ll never be half as good as the Great Lady. :) :) :)
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" Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story " Jacqui.
Lifelong Labour Party member and financial backer Sir Alan Sugar yesterday quit the Labour Party
saying they are anti-business and anti-enterprise. !!!! Really.?? If it took him until yesterday
morning to discover that perhaps he should quit giving advice to others. He didn't discover it
last week in case Milliband won.
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Has anyone seen the hilarious caption on FB where the despicable Russell Brand had stated that he would stick a firework up his rear orifice if the tories won a majority? I am awaiting the date and where tickets can be purchased to witness it! Should be a very interesting fallout! Wonder if he also is "a man of his word". ;D ;)
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Rumour has it Old Nick, that Manuel from Fawlty Towers is coming over to light it. : ;) :)
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Also, when is Paul O'Grady leaving? He said he would leave the country if the Conservativs got in. I would be first to put into a fund for his ticket. ;)
If you to to F.B. or You Tube you will see a video of Russell Brand being pushed into the fountain at Trafalgar Square ;D
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Wonder if he also is "a man of his word". ;D ;)
Of course he is. He said he would do it, so he will. End of story.
Unless, of course, thousands of his followers beg him not to do it, say they love him so dearly they don't want him to risk hurting himself, in which case he might, reluctantly, have to accede to the democratic wishes of the hispeople.
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Thank you for that insightful commentary Gordon, but you didn't really answer my question regarding the multi billion black hole that will arise from the plans laid down by the SNP. but maybe like Ms. sturgeon, it's better to say nothing?
The S.N.P. and it's machinations, is of no concern to me George, I cannot vote for anything appertaining to my home country, nor do I wish to, Nicola Sturgeon has done / is doing a Sterling job in my opinion, and conducted a very successful campaign in Scotland, more strength to her. If I WAS living in Scotland, I definitely would have voted for the S.N.P, as " NEW " Labour is a dead duck, and the Tories are a non- starter in Scotland !! Let us just wait and see which of the " Home Nations " falls into a " Black Hole " , shall we ?? I think Cameron will be facing more than enough rebellions from his own back-benchers, due to unattainable targets and promises he has once again made !!
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No Rimms I don't and neither did 55 % of the voters last September.
If there is another referendum it will be scandalous. It will prove that the SNP lied to the Scottish people.
John, they are politicians , lying is what they do for a livelihood, and one can ALWAYS tell WHEN they are lying, because their lips move !!..... Most of them are in the Legal profession, another give-away as to their honesty !!
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My problem with Nicola Sturgeon is that I cannot take her seriously after hearing her described as the third Krankie.
You definitely don't want to hear what Nicola Sturgeon thinks of you Cleo !! ;-)
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Gordon, you've had a good run over the last three posts. Are you quitting while you're ahead or going for four in a row?
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My problem with Nicola Sturgeon is that I cannot take her seriously after hearing her described as the third Krankie.
You definitely don't want to hear what Nicola Sturgeon thinks of you Cleo !! ;-)
Probably sweet f.a. considering I'm Irish!!!!
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I thought you might know Cleo, that the Scots and Irish hold very close connections. From the coast of N.Ireland near Donaghadee you can see Scotland, it is so close. So, no Scot would think ill of you because you were born in Ireland, they like their Scots brothers and sisters.... Have you never seen a Celtic match, they even have the Eire flags waving.
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Dennis Skinner wont like this noisy lot behind him ;) :)
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You are a naughty boy Des. ;D
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Copied from facebook Scorcher. :)
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Sooooo bloody rude Desmartinson on all counts. If that's the best you can do, its pathetic, (and no, I didnt vote for SNP) but would never insult people with the likes of this!
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You realy are a clown Desmartinson.If that's what facebook is all about I am glad I have nothing to do with it.Grow up.
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I thought you might know Cleo, that the Scots and Irish hold very close connections. From the coast of N.Ireland near Donaghadee you can see Scotland, it is so close. So, no Scot would think ill of you because you were born in Ireland, they like their Scots brothers and sisters.... Have you never seen a Celtic match, they even have the Eire flags waving.
Yes there are many many centuries of Scots and Irish connections, not just the more recent 'industrial period' influx of Irish migrants to Scotland and as to Celtic (and indeed Hibs) I am also aware of Rangers (and Hearts) Matches where they fly the union flag and are less welcoming and understanding of the Irish connection!!!!
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And I'm told that on a clear day you can see the Isle of Wight from Lymington.
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" Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story " Jacqui.
Lifelong Labour Party member and financial backer Sir Alan Sugar
Lifelong Labour Party member Sugar????...not to my recollection. He came on Labour's side for the Peerage, because if before then he was ever active in the Labour Party I missed it. He joined labour after collecting a mere Knighthood from the Tories, when as I remember it it he had his tongue right up Thartcher's ar$e, as indeed he did for the well known Labour supporting mate of his Ozzy Yank Murdoch. Mind you they were mates though business and money in the machinations that went on politically and in the Prmier League and FA to bolster a football monopoly for Sky..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnzTiDkDK4k
Same ****, different shovel !! >:(