Post by: Colwyn on August 16, 2015, 18:57:22 PM
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-loses-british-tourists-in-addition-to-russians.aspx?pageID=238&nID=87026&NewsCatID=349 (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-loses-british-tourists-in-addition-to-russians.aspx?pageID=238&nID=87026&NewsCatID=349)
Post by: KKOB on August 16, 2015, 19:03:54 PM
Post by: apollo on August 16, 2015, 19:47:15 PM
The whole concept of advertising what Turkey has got to offer has bypassed the the Tourism Ministry. A few photos of Ölü Deniz, The Blue Mosque and Cappadocia makes an attractive lid for the box of promised goodies. But when the lid is taken off there is very little inside. No one seems to have grasped the importance of a joined up tourism plan.
It seems that when the tourists get off the plane, it really is a case of this is what we have got like it lump it. No effort is made to extend the season before June, Easter is some strange Christian custom and the tourism industry in this part of Turkey, is for some reason ignored and to extend the season beyond the end of August is inconceivable.
Locally golf courses and ski resorts are promised but hey ho! the tourists will continue to come and carry on sitting on the beach as they have done for decades.
They do not see the competition of Spain, Florida or The West Indies as something to worry about. Poor , indifferent service and dull cuisine somehow is not their problem.
A bit of a disjointed rant ,I know. But when you hear bars and restaurants whinging about where are the tourists this year it makes me angry!
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 21:19:27 PM
Accepted the exchange rate helps but that is a negative economic trend.
I despair of the Blue Mosque/Dalyan Delta/belly dancer adverts which haven't changed in over a decade. Turkey needs to attract those who have inaccurate visions of Turkey - desert, curly shoes, food poisoning - and all the rest. Showing them an old wooden boat moored up won't change their view, no matter how blue the bay looks.
Furthermore, groups like the Hisaronu one on Facebook tells of poorer service, poorer quality food and shorter tempered restaurant owners who appear to be giving less and when confronted by disappointed diners can only show them the door and throw in a few choice phrases ending with off. The old, tired best form of defence being attack, seen several times by most of us.
People don't need to come to Turkey and it's high time they realised it, and ditched the "if they don't like it they can p*** off" attitude. Many people I speak to don't like it but more importantly don't need to like it.
As apollo said, the competition is up for it and doing a good job. Greece became too arrogant, now they have had to revert to warm and friendly again because they can't lose the tourism. As we have spoken about many times on here, Spain and Portugal are far cheaper to fly to, closer, food is cheap and plentiful (no rice chips & salad to fill half the plate to hide the miserable portion) - wine, beer and spirits fabulous value - and that's the point, it's like Turkey used to be.
The exchange rate is good, it needs to be.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 16, 2015, 21:34:51 PM
I have to say I would run a mile from anywhere with a belly dancer. We did a belly dancer evening when we first came to Calis, never again. We thought it was a tradional evening with a belly dancing exhibition. However, a girl wth the biggest chest I have ever seen, appeared, did a bit of wiggling around and then dragged a lot of men from the audience to strip off to the waist and dance with her. Phil was mortified as he is quite quiet and shy and he said no way was she going to drag him up. It was totally embarassing. After this and seeing some belly dancers in local restaurants over the years as we passed by, we realised this was the norm. I suppose the Turks think this is want the Brits want??? Perhaps it is time to re-think this tourist attraction. ??
I also think that the cost of flights to Turkey is far too much. We could fly to the States for the same price we fly to Turkey. Phil has suggested we sell up in Turkey and get a place in Spain, as the flights would be cheaper.
However, I love our place in Turkey, but in time to come it may be better and more financially right to move on.
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 21:42:20 PM
And certainly not being able to get rid of your spends is long gone ;)
Post by: Rimms on August 16, 2015, 22:13:20 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 22:23:23 PM
I was talking about us, not you. Sometimes it's not all about you George. I know many people who live there and are blissfully happy with life. I am delighted for them and also when people contact me and tell me they are seriously considering moving to Turkey I tell them to get packed and go follow their dreams. I have never told people it's crap now don't bother or anything like it.
Hence I wrote that I pang for the Turkey I lived in. That is slowly going/changing and so have I in terms of full time living - so we get all we need in the few holidays we manage over there.
Why would it be time to move on? We visit and really enjoy our vists. I think I may have said that, now when did I say that...oh yes, within the last hour - We go and feel relaxed, we love the food from the fresh bread at breakfast to the Adana Kebap at dinner. We miss and love to see a list of friends out there which is forever declining, as is the list of restaurants and bars we "must" go to.
The topic is about declining tourism figures George, not ex-pat numbers, or whether it is crap living there now - and as is the right of all members I was innocently suggesting why figures might be down lately.
Post by: Rimms on August 16, 2015, 23:05:28 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 23:08:22 PM
I think I loved the Turkey I lived in. I think you love the Turkey you live in.
Ok for you to have a preference but not for me. I get it.
Post by: Rimms on August 16, 2015, 23:38:01 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 23:48:21 PM
Yet another recruit for the Des Martinson School - a peculiar, marginal group who believe that only people who live there can have a valid opinion about the area.
My knowledge of Fethiye/Calis (5 years full time and countless holidays/visits before and since every single year right up till within the last 12 months) is equivalent to your knowledge of Perth because you drove past once? You aren't actually making rational sense?
Tell you what George, if you can tell me it's maybe time for me to move on, can I tell you it's maybe time for you to go to bed?
Post by: Rimms on August 17, 2015, 00:11:17 AM
Post by: Rimms on August 17, 2015, 00:11:54 AM
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 00:27:48 AM
Once again I'll attempt to point out that this is a topic about tourist figures and I have offered thoughts on why Turkey may be losing out. The figures show it is in decline as a holiday destination. Nothing to do with what I might think about living there. Nothing to do with living there.
If tourism falling through the floor is of no concern to you, you may want to carry on banging on about living there. We are relaxed when it comes to off topic stuff.
Post by: kayakebab on August 17, 2015, 08:38:14 AM
Anyway.... Yesterday it rained, very hard.
In all the bars and restaurants the cushions and tables were very wet.
In Turkey they would have brought them in and dried everything off.
Last night we were left like lemons trying to find a dry place to sit in 3 different bars, and in the end we gave up and had a drink in our apartment.
You can sit for ages waiting to be served everywhere.
No ones taken any time at all to chat, no ones been particularly friendly, apart from one guy at one place we stayed who has travelled to many places.
In Bosnia we just put it down to the war and the atrocities they've witnessed for their abrupt to the point manner. Here, we can't come up with any reason.
Tourism is buzzing, the places we've been to are stunning, yet we don't have any sense of wanting to return to this area again.
I think in Turkey there is no doubt there's a decline In tourist numbers, due mostly to the media scare stories, and peoples perception of how close Syria is.
I remember it was quiet when the Gulf War was going on.
I don't know of many people who visit Turkey that don't have the urge to return.
Since moving to Turkey friends and family who have never been have returned several times, and introduced their friends.
Even my dad, who swore blind he would never visit, now he comes for a month at a time!
I have one friend who's been going to Dalyan for many years, yet is constantly messaging me the last few weeks to see if it's definitely safe to come.
There will always be people scared by the media etc, and opt for where they see as safer.
I bet those who are scared this year will be back as soon as they feel it's ok, whenever that might be.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 17, 2015, 08:59:46 AM
I note all the time on T.A. tourists reporting all the rubbish and mess and being disappointed at the dirt lying around. There seem to be more and more reports on T.A. of rubbish /litter and Calis is named all the time as being dirty. This is bound to put off new visitors to the area.
Post by: nichola on August 17, 2015, 09:59:21 AM
It would appear not in the first quarter of 2015
http://media.unwto.org/press-release/2015-07-08/international-tourist-arrivals-4-first-four-months-2015
And from the same article
According to the forecast issued by UNWTO in January this year, international tourist arrivals are expected to increase by 3% to 4% for the full year 2015, in line with UNWTO’s long-term forecast of 3.8% a year for the period 2010 to 2020.
Re Turkey and Fethiye in particular our perception (based solely on our experience) is that while British and Russian visitor numbers are down this void has been filled by increases in Turkish holiday makers and visitors from far east Asia, in particular from China and South Korea who seem to have added Fethiye to their itinerary.
We can expect the numbers of Turkish people holidaying to fall off towards the end of August so hopefully those that normally come from the UK in September haven't been deterred.
Post by: JohnF on August 17, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
But Keith you don't know about living in Turkey today, you live in Scotland, I live in Gunlukbasi and so I accept that you have a bit more local knowledge of Perth and I have a bit more local knowledge of Fethiye. Please start a topic about tourism to Perth and I will be happy to comment on the place having drove past it while en route to see an important customer in Dundee.
George, I'm a bit surprised. You always come across as an extremely reasonable bloke, who is quite happy to put your view across and also listen to other folks points of view. Are you really suggesting that because someone doesn't *live* in Turkey their opinion/knowledge is less valuable than someone who does?
I have no desire to live full time in Turkey - there was a time, probably about 2002/3 when we considered it, but for a variety of reasons chose not to. When I started working for a legal firm in Istanbul I negotiated my contract to enable me to telework, an arrangement that worked well until I "retired" last year.
Anyway, back on topic...
As we have spoken about many times on here, Spain and Portugal are far cheaper to fly to, closer, food is cheap and plentiful (no rice chips & salad to fill half the plate to hide the miserable portion) - wine, beer and spirits fabulous value - and that's the point, it's like Turkey used to be.
Its been over a year since we've been to Fethiye and have no plans to visit before May next year - that's a first for us. In the interim we've been to Spain several times and managed to squeeze in a few days in Porto (Portugal). Away from the resort areas, we've found there is little difference between Spain and Turkey from a financial perspective - that said, the declining lira over the past few months has pushed Turkey ahead for now.
The biggest difference is in what you actually get for your money. The food is good, its cheap and you can get a decent bottle of wine for less than you'd pay for a bottle of Cumartesi.
As Keith mentioned, the punitive tax regime in Turkey relating to alcohol and foreign imports is hitting establishments that cater for tourists hard. The price of red meat at an all time high, six monthly increases on alcohol and tobacco tax, and lets not forget the new taxes that'll be coming on gas and electricity consumption. Given that many bars/restaurants pay their rent in EUR/USD, the falling lira isn't helping them either - if things carry on they way their going I wonder how many places will close for good at the end of this season?
You factor in the well publicised issues in Syria, the resurgence of the PKK violence, etc etc - is it any wonder Western tourists are staying away? For many I suspect, the proximity to the Syrian border and what they read in the Daily Mail will be a deciding factor.
Despite all of the above, we still advocate for Turkey when asked - unfortunately, the Turkish government has created a situation where sometimes we feel as though we're defending the indefensible.
JF
Post by: Colwyn on August 17, 2015, 10:46:34 AM
http://www.todayszaman.com/business_tourism-revenues-down-138-percent-in-q2_395183.html
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/domestic-tourists-spend-37-billion-tl-in-first-quarter-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=86538&NewsCatID=349
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 12:24:21 PM
But Keith you don't know about living in Turkey today, you live in Scotland, I live in Gunlukbasi and so I accept that you have a bit more local knowledge of Perth and I have a bit more local knowledge of Fethiye. Please start a topic about tourism to Perth and I will be happy to comment on the place having drove past it while en route to see an important customer in Dundee.
George, I'm a bit surprised. You always come across as an extremely reasonable bloke, who is quite happy to put your view across and also listen to other folks points of view. Are you really suggesting that because someone doesn't *live* in Turkey their opinion/knowledge is less valuable than someone who does?
JF
It must be serious, I've known him about 12 years and since the above discussion he has unfriended me on Facebook!
My God, I miss the expat mentality.
Post by: nichola on August 17, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 12:34:27 PM
It's a discussion forum, for all people to say what their view is. Not expats, not holiday home owners, not holidaymakers.
Everyone.
Post by: usedbustickets on August 17, 2015, 12:53:19 PM
BTW anyone thnking of defriending me on Chimpbook, don't bother ..... I'm not on it. ;) ;)
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 12:54:45 PM
Post by: JohnF on August 17, 2015, 13:05:13 PM
JF
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 13:07:11 PM
Now, enough about me. What should be done to get these tourists back?
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 13:20:52 PM
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 13:23:48 PM
Haha, quite possibly.
Now, enough about me. What should be done to get these tourists back?
Good question!
Clean the sea up by sorting the source of the pollution would be a good start.
Cost wise the flights are putting people off but surely the exchange rate must be helping compensate for this?
Restaurants need to up their game but that's an old argument.
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 13:29:05 PM
I've lost all my friends evidently :(
That's because you support people who poo in the sea
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 13:32:03 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 13:34:54 PM
Post by: Lotty on August 17, 2015, 13:38:13 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 13:44:33 PM
How many people started going to Turkey because it was such great value for money?
Well, add up your hotel price, flight cost, drunks bill, food, the whole lot and I assure you, it's no cheaper. And further away.
4.5 grand for two people in a new AI in remote Koca Çalis? I paid that for 4 people to the same star rated level in Mexico. Half the price, and they didn't charge me to use the sun beds!!
Post by: KKOB on August 17, 2015, 13:47:29 PM
I've lost all my friends evidently :(
I know it's not much of a consolation Stoop, but you and I haven't fallen out yet. ;)
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 13:56:50 PM
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 13:57:52 PM
Ahh - but were they cabanas ;)
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 13:58:18 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 17, 2015, 13:58:58 PM
Please start a topic about tourism to Perth and I will be happy to comment on the place having drove past it while en route to see an important customer in Dundee.
I'd make a comment too. "Why would anyone look on a forum about Calis Beach if they wanted information about Perth ?"
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 14:12:57 PM
Post by: WordBird on August 17, 2015, 14:15:47 PM
I'm happy to supply information if ever required
How much is a pint of beer in Perth, does anywhere sell Yorkshire teabags and what's the exchange rate?
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 14:23:28 PM
Post by: Colwyn on August 17, 2015, 14:42:52 PM
Or perhaps I ought not say that.
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 14:52:57 PM
Post by: nichola on August 17, 2015, 14:55:02 PM
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 14:57:24 PM
Post by: Colwyn on August 17, 2015, 14:59:06 PM
You sh..t stirring ColwynI don't do that Stoop; I encourage a constructive dialectic between thesis and antithesis in order to promote synthesis.
Post by: JohnF on August 17, 2015, 15:11:49 PM
An inside source at Efes has revealed that based on their research the numbers for tourism in Turkey 2016 will be about the same as this year.
If that is the case :) there'll be a helluva lot less Efes drinkers within those numbers...
JF
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 15:14:32 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 19:18:14 PM
"4.5 grand for two people in a new AI in remote Koca Çalis? I paid that for 4 people to the same star rated level in Mexico. Half the price, and they didn't charge me to use the sun beds!!"
Ahh - but were they cabanas ;)
I don't even know what that means :D
A Cabana was a Bounty with bits of cherry in, when I were a lad.
Post by: wickwilly on August 17, 2015, 19:32:43 PM
WW
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 19:36:36 PM
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 22:16:17 PM
I have no idea if they charge for normal sun beds but I expect not.
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 22:27:40 PM
(http://s9.postimg.org/ut7t6mdx7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ut7t6mdx7/)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 17, 2015, 22:33:19 PM
I know the lady from my daughter's office did not know she was going to have to pay 50E per day to use one, she also thought they were part of the deal.
Also, don't most resorts/hotels/beaches give you waiter service for free. I know I have seen the waiters going down to the beach in Calis.
Do these poor souls in the Sensatori who do not use the Cabanas, but just the sunbeds have to go for their own drinks??
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 22:41:56 PM
(http://s9.postimg.org/ut7t6mdx7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ut7t6mdx7/)
Ah yes, they had them in Mexico. They were included in the "All inclusive" package :)
As were the waiters around the pool.
Post by: nichola on August 17, 2015, 22:43:01 PM
"4.5 grand for two people in a new AI in remote Koca Çalis? I paid that for 4 people to the same star rated level in Mexico. Half the price, and they didn't charge me to use the sun beds!!"
Ahh - but were they cabanas ;)
I don't even know what that means :D
A Cabana was a Bounty with bits of cherry in, when I were a lad.
I LOVED Cabanas; I didn't know you could still buy them. Something to look forward along with Ruffles and those American peanut cup cake things I discovered in the States on my next visit to the UK.
Post by: nichola on August 17, 2015, 22:45:22 PM
Turkish resort municipalities call for delay of school opening over bad tourism season - including Fethiye!
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238&nID=87100&NewsCatID=341
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 22:57:08 PM
http://www.thomson.co.uk/destinations/europe/turkey/turkey-dalaman/fethiye/hotels/sensatori-resort-fethiye/facilities
Unless someone can show me where it is mentioned - normally these things come in a list titled "What's not included"
Anyway, back on topic :D
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 17, 2015, 23:46:48 PM
£16.00 each Adult to go to Kayakoy and £8.00 for a child as long as they are between 2 and 11 years old. So a typical family with two teenage children will pay £64.00 to go to Kayakoy...
I have not looked at the prices of the other trips yet, still getting over that one.
This is the list http://www.thomson.co.uk/destinations/europe/turkey/turkey-dalaman/fethiye/hotels/sensatori-resort-fethiye/things-to-do
Post by: Scunner on August 17, 2015, 23:50:37 PM
Post by: nichola on August 18, 2015, 00:06:30 AM
PS looks like you and me are the CBF back on topic police tonight Keith ;)
Post by: KKOB on August 18, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 18, 2015, 08:16:32 AM
We would probably not be coming back to Turkey if we did not have a property as the costs to get over are going up every year. In fact, we are seriously thinking of the costs at the moment and how worth it it is.
Post by: Scunner on August 18, 2015, 08:38:13 AM
But this topic is about tourists, my bad (!). I mentioned votka in an earlier post. In 2004 £4 a bottle, now £4 a glass in bars. That's some increase! Efes 2tl, now 8tl?
Ok life isn't all about alcohol but on your well earned fortnight away a four fold increase will significantly change your total spend.
Post by: Scunner on August 18, 2015, 08:57:57 AM
Spain - Amstel 2 bottles for 3 euro
Scunner
International Alcohol Cost Expert
Post by: thinwhiteduke on August 18, 2015, 11:10:32 AM
Post by: Colwyn on August 18, 2015, 11:31:02 AM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/ColwynJones/Bather_zpsc3cbarnu.jpg)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 18, 2015, 12:12:26 PM
I don't know anywhere else in Europe that you can get a apartment in a hotel that 3 of us can spread out in for less than £30 a night even during school hols! With the very reasonable food and drink thrown in it still ticks the money saving boxes for me so have booked again for next year :)
Yes rooms are cheap food is cheap and if you live in London, you can pick from any number of cheap flights.
We are paying around £650.00 just to fly from Scotland, at least twice per year. Scotland and regional Engish/Welsh/N.Irish Airports give a very narrow range of flight choices and they are expensive.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 18, 2015, 12:13:08 PM
What the well-dressed Calis tourist will be wearing in a couple of years when Erdogan begins his new reign as Super-President (aka Sultan). Can you see yourself in an outfit like this, Jacqui?(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/ColwynJones/Bather_zpsc3cbarnu.jpg)
Colwyn, I am game if you are :)
Post by: Colwyn on August 18, 2015, 12:23:23 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 18, 2015, 12:23:37 PM
If you go because you love it that is fabulous, but if you go there because it is cheap, do the sums.
Post by: thinwhiteduke on August 18, 2015, 12:34:04 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 18, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Perhaps it is just as well that there will be segregated beaches.
Yes but if we all wear these suits, it will be hard to tell the difference, don't chicken out now Colwyn :)
Post by: Colwyn on August 18, 2015, 13:00:30 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 18, 2015, 13:06:07 PM
Post by: usedbustickets on August 18, 2015, 13:43:00 PM
Portugal - beer, wine (red & white - v pleasant) 1euro
Spain - Amstel 2 bottles for 3 euro
Scunner
International Alcohol Cost Expert
Yes but what's the price of Efes??
Post by: Scunner on August 18, 2015, 18:38:18 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 19, 2015, 09:07:31 AM
What a total rip off. Of course if you are staying in a place like the Sensatori, you will have no way of judging the prices and will probably think this is the norm for a boat trip.
Post by: patrice on August 19, 2015, 11:20:50 AM
Post by: kayakebab on August 19, 2015, 16:57:44 PM
Post by: nichola on August 21, 2015, 00:18:18 AM
Turkish resort municipalities call for delay of school opening over bad tourism season - including Fethiye!
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238&nID=87100&NewsCatID=341
School holidays have indeed been extended for two weeks and this article - a bit on the harsh side....????
http://www.worldcrunch.com/business-finance/it-s-not-just-security-driving-turkey-s-ebbing-tourism/c2s19461/
Post by: littlereddevil on August 21, 2015, 08:18:39 AM
Post by: Steve (redding43) on August 21, 2015, 09:28:13 AM
Post by: nichola on August 21, 2015, 10:05:52 AM
We were in Hisarönü the Sunday before last (Shine) and had a stroll through the town. It was very busy and most restaurants on the main strip were full. My friend Fatoş who has a shop there says it was the busiest that night than it has been all season.
Post by: stoop on August 22, 2015, 18:56:17 PM
Post by: Hamlet on August 22, 2015, 19:28:20 PM
(http://s29.postimg.org/le71xeaab/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/le71xeaab/)
Post by: patrice on August 22, 2015, 19:39:00 PM
Post by: mercury on August 22, 2015, 22:36:10 PM
Post by: Menthol on August 23, 2015, 10:55:54 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 23, 2015, 11:12:50 AM
I hope it is kept that way.
Post by: lissa on August 23, 2015, 19:22:22 PM
Post by: patrice on August 24, 2015, 08:39:04 AM
Post by: thebillet on August 24, 2015, 09:21:58 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 24, 2015, 09:26:04 AM
I do know if a Turkish person wants to visit the U.K. our visa charges are in the hundreds for them to enter the U.K.
Post by: Liz 101 on August 24, 2015, 09:31:38 AM
Is the beach at Çaliś being kept clean this season?
Yes, since it came under the jurisdiction of the dernik there are guys cleaning up along the beach every day
Post by: thebillet on August 24, 2015, 09:59:24 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 24, 2015, 10:16:38 AM
IMHO I would not think the cost of a visa would stop people coming to Turkey.
As the exchange rate was around 2.20 when we first came and the visa was £10.00 but is now £13.00 it has gone up, but I think this is offset by the lira now being nearly 5.00.
Post by: Scunner on August 24, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 24, 2015, 13:10:42 PM
As the exchange rate was around 2.20 when we first came and the visa was £10.00 but is now £13.00 it has gone up, but I think this is offset by the lira now being nearly 5.00.
A modest increase for us tourists - the big winner is the Government over there. Using your rates they could previously change our £10 into 22 lira. Today they can get 38.5 lira from our $13 ;)
Post by: Menthol on August 24, 2015, 18:23:42 PM
Is the beach at Çaliś being kept clean this season?
Yes, since it came under the jurisdiction of the dernik there are guys cleaning up along the beach every day
What is the dernik, Liz?
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 24, 2015, 20:00:44 PM
Post by: kevin3 on August 24, 2015, 21:44:06 PM
My Turkish dictionary drew a blank also.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 24, 2015, 22:05:36 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 24, 2015, 22:06:17 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 24, 2015, 22:10:47 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 24, 2015, 22:13:31 PM
Post by: Highlander on August 24, 2015, 22:14:24 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 24, 2015, 22:15:34 PM
Post by: Highlander on August 24, 2015, 22:18:57 PM
Yes and does the Scaffy chase the Scurries too ??
Eh !
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 24, 2015, 23:07:06 PM
Do the binmen chase the seagulls.
Scaffy...Binman. Scurry... Seagull.
Post by: KKOB on August 25, 2015, 08:49:30 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 25, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
Post by: Highlander on August 25, 2015, 09:50:25 AM
The Doric (Aberdeenshire language) translation.
Do the binmen chase the seagulls.
Scaffy...Binman. Scurry... Seagull.
My apologies - I have never heard that before :(
Back to topic as KKOB suggested :)
Post by: Liz 101 on August 25, 2015, 11:25:48 AM
Post by: Menthol on August 25, 2015, 11:32:59 AM
And perhaps they ought to lobby the Sensatori and tell em to keep their sh*t to themselves.
Post by: Colwyn on August 25, 2015, 11:34:58 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 25, 2015, 17:42:20 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 27, 2015, 12:56:23 PM
ABZ-DLM Adult x2 £207.98
DLM-ABZ Adult x2 £429.98
Fare Total £637.96
Extras (total)
20kg Luggage Allowance x4 £96.00
Credit Card Fee x1 £14.68
Extras Total £110.68
Payments
MastercardEnding £748.64
Total £748.64
Payment(s) processed by Thomas Cook Retail Ltd as the agent for thomascookairlines.com.
I would add this is just flights. T.Cook are sub-contracting to Sun Express (who??) So we cannot pick our seats, find out if there is food on the flight or check-in online. This basically means turning up at the Airport about 4 hours before the flight and joining a queue for about 1 hour, just so we can get seats together.
Post by: lissa on August 27, 2015, 21:19:20 PM
Post by: Stuart T on August 27, 2015, 21:50:19 PM
They've gone bust.
Post by: KKOB on August 27, 2015, 22:46:07 PM
Exclusive Escapes have gone bust.
Not for the first time if I remember correctly.
Post by: lissa on August 28, 2015, 18:45:24 PM
Post by: stoop on August 29, 2015, 14:47:57 PM
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Post by: KKOB on August 29, 2015, 16:15:58 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 29, 2015, 16:31:26 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 29, 2015, 16:36:38 PM
The English kids start going back next week.
So, that'll be soon then ! No catching-up required thanks.
Post by: Menthol on August 29, 2015, 17:01:02 PM
Went to Olu Deniz last night & was really disappointed frown emoticon The plan was sunset, stroll on the beach then have a nice meal. The beach was disgusting frown emoticon full of litter, fag ends & poo!!!! frown emoticon
I know we went at the end of the day but even so it was still bad "/ The prices for food & drink are much dearer down there. I get beach location prices but not that much 15 lira for a bottle of Efes "/
So we ended up getting a taxi back into Hisaronu & eating there.
IMO Calis beach is much nicer, less people, & very reasonable prices.
Post by: KKOB on August 29, 2015, 17:59:58 PM
Post by: stoop on August 29, 2015, 22:35:52 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 30, 2015, 09:14:47 AM
Post by: usedbustickets on August 30, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
Catch up KKOB. The children in Scotland went back last week. The English kids start going back next week.I think you are overstating the importance of Scotland again. With Scotland barely making up 8% of the UK population, the return of Scottish kids to school barely makes a dent in the UK numbers over here.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 30, 2015, 17:37:49 PM
Post by: scorcher on August 30, 2015, 23:10:08 PM