Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Turkey Discussion Forum (Not Calis specifically) => Topic started by: kevin3 on October 31, 2015, 22:53:48 PM
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Well tomorrows the big day and I just hope it passes off without violence and the people of Turkey
don't end up with a Presidential Dictatorship. They deserve better, here's hoping.
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and the people of Turkey don't end up with a Presidential Dictatorship. They deserve better, here's hoping.
Yes Kevin they do deserve better, but not whilst so many of them keep voting in large numbers for Reg. Like it or not he presses all the right buttons for the pious, the poor and ignorant, the violent, and the corrupt. And if this election result, as I expect, comes through much the same as June, then he'll simply step up all the nasty things he has done since June to ensure that all power goes to him and him alone. Unless the opposition parties get together to form a government or some people in the AKP get some balls to face up to Reg ...... neither potential solution, unfortunately, is very likely at all.
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Power cuts in Istanbul and several towns in the east. Tear gas and Polis violence in Kocaeli.
Why am I not surprised...
JF
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(http://s8.postimg.org/nyp2c6a81/Bride_voting.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/nyp2c6a81/)
You missed this Good News story,
Bride Elif Bicer casting her vote in Ortaca before getting married in Fethiye later.
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Early indications are indicating a lamdslide victory to Erdogan :-( So Turkey wikk now have its presidential system and all that goes with it,,,,,,,, as for tourism ... zero bank interest rates ... alchohol bans ...... and many more issues ... hold your breath :-(
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Local TV stations report 53% AKP vote with 40% of votes in
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34694420
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Early votes counted come in from the east, in a lot of those areas AKP are, and always have been, strong. It's called the kettle, toaster, saucepans and couple of tons of coal effect.
Hopefully things will start to swing once the votes from the western areas are counted.
JF
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I do hope so :(
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The crunch figure is 330 seats. Thats the number they need to change the constitution and the pious ******s at the Sabah are reporting them on 326 as it stands.
JF
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Prematurely as it would appear. AKP now dropped 3 points to just over 50%, and 323 seats.
Hope yet...
JF
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Now under 50% and 310 seats.
Worryingly, the HDP are also dropping, now just over the ten percent.
JF
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Now that is a big worry, they could fall below 10% and if their votes get redistributed as a result, they go the way of the AKP, and Reg will have everything!!!
Early indications are that Reg set the right electoral strategy in terms of winning over the right wing nationalist votes, by attacking the kurds and making big nationalist statements about the Turkish motherland. Even if I did not want the HDP to get votes, I did not expect their vote to collapse, and possibly to below the 10% threshold.
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Latest from Daily Hurriyet
7:55 p.m. - More than %85 percent of the votes have been counted. The HDP stands on the edge of the 10 percent threshold :
AKP
50.66%
CHP
24.75%
MHP
11.98%
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Depending on who you believe, they are at 10.34 or 10.48 percent currently. I don't think their vote has collapsed as such, more that it's been diluted by difficulties in folks voting and close to one million voters disallowed from voting. Add in the usual cheating and it's squeaky bum time for Demirtas and the HDP - and ultimately the country if they don't get over the magic figure.
JF
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He'll make sure he wins
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The Fethiye expat page on Facebook says he has won...lots if unhappy people on the group :(
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Seems AKP has overall majority in Parliament. If HDP don't get 10% and have their seats redistributed then erdogan has his 50%+ magic figure for forced constitutional change leading to Presidential rule. I feel rather sick.
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10% is looking likely though (hopefully)?
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Phew.
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Fag paper
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Fag paper
That is such a feeder line for a potentially politically incorrect and homophobic response relating to a certain UK national newspaper.
I shall refrain however. For once.
JF
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Excellent - love it ! :)
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Untypically eloquent turn of phrase.! ;)
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Does anyone believe that Erdogan will give up on his desire to be a Sultan?? or change the constitition?
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If he gives up he will stand trial, and he knows it.
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If the other parties had gained sufficient seats to make a workable coalition and put some of their differences to one side, little reginald and his missus would today be stuffing themselves with pizza and pasta e fagioli in Italy. They wouldn't be on their own though, their wee boy Bilal is there already, along with a billion or so euros...
Quiz question: How many shoeboxes do you need for a billion euros?
JF
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According to www.euroshoeboxesrus.tr.com you will need 12,567 shoe size 42 ( uk size 8 ) shoeboxes to accomodate a billion euros in 100 euro notes. But according to to the Freeman Hardy and Willis guide the figure is more like 14,024 boxes. The difference according to Dr Marten of the Clarks Institute is that the Freeman Hardy and Willis boxes are still made to the old imperial sizes of feet and inches.
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On a more serious political point, people are saying that Reg has been contained politically by the lack of sufficient parliamentary majority to achieve his dream of a Presidential autocracy. Don't be so silly! It is as Reg said before the election, he has 'de facto' got all he wants, as Prime Minister and Ministers queue up at the Presidential Palace to get their orders and attend all government meetings. The opposition have failed to date to recognise this and have avoided going to the palace, but I suspect Reg is not bothered, but when he has the time and inclination he will bring them to heel.
After all, like it or not, he has the overwhelming support of the Turkish people. Perhaps now some people will take off their rose tinted glasses view of the Turkish people's view of Turkey and the world.
Credit where credit is due Reg has played a political blinder both tactically and strategically since the failed June General Election. If you know your history you will see great similarity to the way Reg has acted and the final rise of Hitler and Nazism in 1933. And like Hitler, Reg is on a journey to an end point that we would not care for and even understand, and the last few months and Sunday' election are a but a milepost on that journey.
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On the question of journeys, one of Erdogan's early political mottos was: "Democracy is like a train: when you arrive at your station you get off".
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But will Reg's journey mirror Adolfs.?