Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Highlander on April 08, 2016, 17:37:41 PM
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Without going over the whole for and against argument on the issue, can members give me their reason(s) as to why they would oppose the sanction of the death penalty in this case.
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I don't believe the state has the right to take the life of its citizens unless those citizens pose a real and present danger to life.
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Thank you Colwyn.
Self evidently these citizens did not have the right to take the life of a defenseless twenty-one month old child.
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Absolutely.
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my first thought is hang her but then I think would any mother of sound mind do that ?
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Sorry I forgot to put the link in my original post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-35998417?post_id=10153081077898445_10153764976258445
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my first thought is hang her but then I think would any mother of sound mind do that ?
She was sound enough of mind to change her story several times. >:(
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Hanging is too good for her in my opinion.
Put her in a room full of mothers and let them stamp on her as she did to her daughter. I would gladly go first!
There is NO excuse for raising your hand to a child
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In essence, I am against capital punishment - especially so in the case of someone who is undoubtedly mentally unstable.
However, I am wholly for life imprisonment meaning just that. No release - ever.
Both these people should receive life imprisonment.
I'm sure that public opinion will be swayed by this case, as it would be if a poll were taken after hanging a person later found to be innocent.
Our prison sentences, however, should be upheld to the length of time the judge determines.
Career criminals who carry arms to rob people are not put off by our sentences. It is entirely possible that these type of people may be deterred from shooting others if the death sentence was in place.
This is so,so difficult. Murder is murder - but there are also "crimes of passion" and "fits of jealous rage" which to me are different to cold blooded, premeditated killing for profit.
In this case, he is (in my eyes) every bit as guilty as her. Life for both with no parole - ever.
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In essence, I am against capital punishment ... However, I am wholly for life imprisonment meaning just that. No release - ever.
I agree with that. Not because I think society is protected by keeping killers in gaol until they are 87 years old (or whatever) but because it is an important social contract that those of us who are against capital punishment should make with the those (probably the majority) who are in favour of it.
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I've just spent the afternoon with two of my grandsons, the youngest is just 20 months old, the same age as poor Ayeeshia. The thought of anyone, let alone a mother, murdering a child that age, or indeed any child, fills me with absolute horror. Children should be loved, nurtured, protected and feel safe within their family circle. It breaks my heart every time I hear about cases like this. Is hanging the answer? I don't know, but rather think that these actions are those of an evil woman rather than one not of sound mind.
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Hanging is too good for her in my opinion.
Mine too, but for very different reasons to yours Anne. Hanging (or any other method) is far to quick, easy and final. The family & friends have to live a life tainted/worsened by the loss of a loved human being - who in their right mind would want to give the murderer easy release from everything?
Lock 'em up, till they die of old age - hanging is too good for them.
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I believe the first step should be sterilisation she has
Forfeited the right to be a mother.
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If a life sentence truly meant just that, that the perpetrator would spend the remainder of their sorry lives in gaol, perhaps we would have more faith on our joke of a judicial system.
Science is now able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not a person is guilty. In these cases I truly believe in a life for a life
No doubt this so called mother and her partner will go through all sorts of rehab programmes whilst serving their sentences. The question is now. Will it work? Or will they serve a paltry sentence (as we have seen all too often) and be free to mistreat another child :(
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Once again the various authorities are churning out the "lessons will be learned" mantra, and nobody will be sacked
or sanctioned for their failings.
Another case in the Courts today was a "father" whose 28 day old son was constipated, so he thought it was funny to
pour Tabasco Sauce around the tot's rectum to make him go. The resulting burns were so severe the tot had to undergo
a Colostomy. The piece of s##t that did that to his child was sentenced to 2 years. The baby received a life sentence.
Absolutely disgusting and further proof that the Legal system in this country needs a complete overhaul. Judges and JP's
should be elected by a panel that includes members of the public and should face regular elections where their performance
can face scrutiny.
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I believe she will get her just desserts within the prison system itself.
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The so called mother has just been jailed for life, with a minimum of 24 years and the stepfather has got 6 months
at Birmingham Crown Court. Since Social Services were aware of her mistreatment from a very early age perhaps they
should now stand trial for gross negligence, but don't hold your breath. RIP Ayeeshia.
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Since Social Services were aware of her mistreatment from a very early age perhaps they should now stand trial for gross negligence, but don't hold your breath.
It will won't happen kevin3 but it damned well should.
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Double that would suit me better.
She will still be a relatively young woman in 24 years time. Young enough to move away where no one knows her and start again.
Yes, the authorities should now be brought to boot too. This is happening all to often now to innocent little ones :( Lessons never seem to be learned.
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Rightly so the authorities should be held partly responsible but the government are also to blame due to the cutbacks of funds to social services .
My niece is a social worker on her return from maternity leave recently her case load increased threefold .She is coming home from work and having to write up reports until 2 in the morning.Being the lead social worker of her department the only way to cope is to delegate caseloads to support social workers this leaves a huge burden on her shoulders she is at her wits ends that some helpless child is going to be abused or lose their lives and being accused of negligence of her department.
She is now considering a career move because the pressure of the workload is affecting her health and her family life.
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Social workers get in the neck whatever they do. Don't take the child into care and they are called lazy, do-gooders who leave kids at risk. Take the child into care and they are called jack-booted dictators who steal kids away from their loving mothers.
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Social workers get in the neck whatever they do. Don't take the child into care and they are called lazy, do-gooders who leave kids at risk. Take the child into care and they are called jack-booted dictators who steal kids away from their loving mothers.
Could not agree more on many occasion I worked along side social workers observing it is unbelievable the barriers that have to be crossed before a child can be removed from the parents
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Sharon Shoesmith , the former head of Haringay Social Services was being paid £ 130,000 plus to oversee the
failure to protect Baby P. All the resources seemed to go into covering up their failures. Shoesmith received
£ 680,000 compensation for unfair dismissal and claimed she was the victim. She is now giving lectures on how
better to protect children in Cardiff. If they cannot protect children shut them down. Some are far better at protecting
themselves than protecting children. Ask the 1,400 abused girls in Rotherham.