Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: kevin3 on May 13, 2016, 21:22:29 PM
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A father took his daughter out of school for 1 week to take her to Florida. He was fined by the school, refused to pay and has gone through
the courts and today the Judges backed him. Between September 2014 and August 2015 64,000 families have been fined, yet schools
are shut for Elections, and kids are excluded from school for teacher training days. Should parents be criminalised, should Governments
tackle unfair holiday company pricing practices. ?? What does the team think. ?? ???
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Should they be criminalised ?
Absolutely !!!!!!!!!!!!!. Jail them and throw the key away.
How dare they take their kids out of school when I deliberately take my holidays when they should be at school !!!!
PS I did think about smileys at various places..............
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The Government should definitely tackle holiday companies for unfair extortionate prices. I have to take my holidays in school holidays due to working in a school. I hear many stories from children who don't have s holiday either in UK or abroad because their family can't afford the prices. The holiday companies say because of supply and demand in school holidays they have to increase prices....yeah right! >:(
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Agreed Rana.
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Spot on Rana.
Well done to that Dad for taking them on too.
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For us as a family fortunately its not about the cost its about when we can get leave from work, together, as myself and my hubby have to share holiday leave time with other members of staff and have seasonal leave restrictions its also about wanting to come out for more than a week.
I have and will continue to take my children out of school, we only nick a few days either side of the Whitsun holiday so we can manage about 12 days in turkey and then about about 2 and half weeks in August.
I try to tag the few days to the school holiday so I don't take them out for too long, this doesn't actually save us any money but there is no other school holiday where we can take 2 wks together.
Up to this point I haven't been fined but my children have always had 98%/100% at the time, but having said that I may be tempting fate as I will be doing it again this Whitsun...so watch this space.
To be honest I think I am becoming a rebellious parent as I am getting sick and tired of being told how and what is best for my children by establishments that haven't got a pigging clue, children are being pushed and pushed many are unhappy and stressed, the latest farcical drama about the sats is only the tip of the iceberg.
My friends school has recently had an incident where a 7 yr old shockingly tried to jump out of a window because he couldn't cope, children are no longer allowed to be children they are just coached into how to be an adult version of a child ready for the big wide world....and they wander why so many children have mental heath issues....err hello let them be children....let them come home from school and be kids not ply them with home work from 5 years of age!! .
Well I can better prepare my children for the big wide world by taking them out in it so they can see for themselves thank you very much.
We are hard working parents, earn a decent living, we are kind people have good morals which I am hoping my children will learn from.
So I say good on the Isle of Wight chap for taking on the dept of education again and won, perhaps he should become the education secretary because Nicky Morgan and her predecessor Michael Gove are making a right pigs ear of it.
Rant over!
markar
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Having had my kids go through school and my wife work in a school it has been expensive all the way.
This year the kids are grown up and the wife has left work so we look forward to a good 2 weeks in June, the flights being 2/3rds of what we normally pay for whit week. It should be sorted by the Government and Children should be granted some leave without fines. IMHO
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Bewva, thats all very well, but not all working parents can take holidays during school holidays, take postmen/women they are given there holiday dates at random they can only swop dates within their team, does that mean they are not allowed a family holiday?
markar
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What about working people who don't have kids and have a fight to get holidays during the school holidays.
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My kids went through the Education system before Big Brother kicked off but every year we took them out the week before the
summer holidays and saved a fortune. But for the rest of the year they usually had 100 % attendance and were always in class
early, in fact they usually enjoyed school, Taking them out had absolutely no effect on their education and they have gone on to
make good lives for themselves and their families.Regular truancy has to be tackled for the kids sake but one or two weeks a year
for regular attendees should not be punishable. Yet more interference from councils who would do well to look at their own shortcomings.
We used to visit my wife's family in the US and the savings for going that week early were in four figures.How do the airlines justify that.??
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Highlander, you are quite right, employers feel obligated to give working parents first refusal of school holidays, but that goes back to what I was saying not everyone can pick and choose when they can take annual leave that easily, doesn't mean family time is any the less important.
A common sense approach needs to be taken, fines should be for prolific truanting, and lateness not decent parents who want to spend quality time together as a family.
markar
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Let parents make their own choices for their kids. Most schools are in wind-down mode at the end of the summer term, sports days and fun days are always when the academic side is completed. If necessary then kids can make up for the few days they've missed, and no parent would deliberately harm their child's future. It's all become a ridiculous money raising and bullying control tactic. All my kids missed a couple of days at summer holiday time and they're now successful adults. Good on this man for having the tenacity to stick with it despite the fact that he would have had a massive costs bill if he had lost.
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Having brought up two daughters I must say it never crossed my mind to take them out of school simply to go on holiday. But we were able to plan our time off work to fit in with school holidays. I do think the government needs to think carefully in rewriting this law. In particular they should be concerned with what is currently defined as "exceptional circumstances" under which school heads may grant permission. I do not regard "saving money" as an acceptable reason to take children out of school. On the other hand, being required by your employer to work during July and August, going to a family funeral (and maybe a wedding) are different. But should this be a decision taken by the government? The numpties in Westminister who attempt to run this country have their hearts set on turning every school in the country into academies which are apparently wonderful things - much better than schools. The big flag being waved for this is that it gives decision making power to academy heads ("leaders" in Newspeak) and yet when it comes to day to day decision making - like granting holiday permission - heads must be directed by the Secretary of State for Education. Why?
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In Scotand it has always been less of an issue - they are rarely declined if at all - although parents are told it will be marked down as "unauthorised absence" if they do (not that it bothers anyone). I haven't done it intentionally - although last year we booked exactly the same flying out date that we have for the two years previous to that, which was a couple of days before the end of term.
The school has a traditional end of term concert and award giving ceremony on the day prior to the last day of term (some might say the penultimate day), and I would estimate that nearly half of those receiving awards are already on holiday.
Ours don't get away scot free anyway, they will end up having to give up their sunbed at the pool to go on an educational excursion around a crumbling amphitheatre or something with their parents. Education doesn't all come from the classroom innit.
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We always took the kids out the week before Whit week holidays. It was the only time we could afford to go. I think they learned plenty by visiting Turkey, back then. They went to Mosques, Turkish villages, farms, on boats, tried sea fishing. Learned a few words of another language, ate different foods. They still refer back to those times with fond memories.
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For several years I kept both my kids off school for the two weeks leading up to the summer holidays saving me a fortune. Both of them got 10+ GCSE's, mainly A's and nothing below C. It is up to responsible parents to make sure that they catch up on any important work missed. However in this final two weeks there was rarely much important work anyway ;D
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we never really went on holiday the odd week in Devon with the (at the time £7.50) holiday vouchers in the sun just couldn't afford it and always working until my youngest was 14 circumstances changed so the last 2 years we went to Turkey and it was at a time that the school never really bothered so haven't been affected by the rules but I feel for parents today for me its a money making exercise they use shock tactics "your children will turn in to idiots if you miss a few days of school" absolute b######s the average fine is £60 times that by 64000 is not that much in the big scheme of things but its the thin edge of the wedge. The government say we will talk to the holiday companies but there's nothing they can do its business and they don't like to upset big business so good on that man but they will change the rules to suite so enjoy it wile it lasts.
On a side note we have friends that are Dutch and they said that there rules are so strict that the police will stop families checking in if they don't have a letter stating that they can be out of school during term time that will be next