Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: Ally B on June 30, 2016, 12:12:31 PM
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It bugs me the mark up restaurants put on wine.The wine we like to drink can be had in supermarkets for 28/30 lira a bottle.Going to restaurants this year we were charged in different places 50/60/70/100 lira the cheapest being Obens the dearest Grapefruit. Taking the cheapest one at fifty the profit is 20 lira £5 the dearest 70lira £17. It is way over the top to charge these prices when all they do is provide an ice bucket (not all the time) and pour your first glass.We usually end up pouring the rest ourselves. Most times the wine costs more than the food. Normally we have a bottle with our meal and if the atmosphere is right another bottle whilst sitting talking before we head home. Unfortunately because of the price it has only been one bottle per meal. Looking around at meal times there are very few people drinking wine compared with last year. I know all about the cost of the wine and taxes but this is just greed on behalf of the restaurants, after all it is not hard to open a bottle and put it in a bucket.
Moan over for today
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Same in the UK. In a lot of places there is between a 50 to 100% mark up on shop/supermarket prices....:(
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It is way over the top to charge these prices when all they do is provide an ice bucket (not all the time) and pour your first glass.
If you think that a 50% mark up on wine is excessive then all I can assume is that you never buy a bottle in a UK restaurant.
This (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/14/pay-for-your-lemon-tea-like-everyone-else_n_8976558.html) response from Tripadvisor (obviously the rudeness bit doesn't apply), when a customer felt ripped off by the prices, came to mind:
“I’m sorry that you feel that you were “ripped off” and I’ll try to explain why you weren’t.
“You entered the cafe and the waiter showed you to your seat, gave you a menu, waited for a time and then took your order. He entered it into the till, collected a cup, saucer and spoon and took them into the kitchen. There, he selected a knife, chopping board, got a lemon from the fridge, cut off a slice and put it in the cup. Then, he returned to the dining room, drew off the necessary hot water and carried the cup to your table. When you were leaving, he printed off your bill, took it to you, processed your credit card payment and cashed off the till. After you left, he cleared away your cup, saucer and spoon, took them into the kitchen, washed and dried them, along with the chopping board and knife and put away the lemon. Then, returning to the dining room he restacked the cup, saucer and spoon, wiped down your table and replaced the menu, awaiting the next customer.
“That’s at least 2-3 minutes work for the waiter.
“The cost of overheads for the business, i.e rent, business rates, electricity costs, bank charges, etc works out at £27.50 per hour of trading. I pay my colleagues a decent living wage and after taking into account holiday pay, national insurance and non-productive time prior to opening and after closing, the waiter who served you costs me £12.50 per hour. Therefore, together the cost is £40 per hour or 67p per minute, meaning that the cost of providing you with 2-3 minutes of service was £1.34 - £2.00. Then the government add on VAT at 20% which takes the cost of that cup of fruit infusion to between £1.60 and £2.40 irrespective of whether you had a teabag costing one and a half pence or a slice of lemon costing five pence.
“I have to pay my suppliers otherwise the facilities won’t be available to other people who use them in the future. I accept that it makes the price of a cuppa in a city centre cafe look expensive compared to the one you make at home but unfortunately that’s the cruel reality of life. It’s actually the facilities that cost the money, far more so than the ingredients.
Perhaps, the rudeness that you perceived in me was triggered by the disrespect that I perceived in you by your presumption that you could use our facilities and be waited on for free.”
JF
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The ingredients of your meal will have had a mark-up on them also.
As philrose says, it's the same in the UK - probably worse.
What I did notice was the difference in mark up between different establishments.
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Get your point John F but all that work and expense needs to be done whether I have wine or just a meal In the Cadde our food bill came to 40lira the bill with wine was 110lira.There was a hell of a lot more work went into the meal than serving the wine.
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6 very large white wine and two main courses
96 TL
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As a real example from the UK, a bottle of wine that may cost £6-£7 in a supermarket would be charged at £15-£18 in a restaurant.
Same with bottled beer in pubs!
Ian
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I find it difficult to see how it is possible to make a profit from running a restaurant without at least doubling the cost of purchase of the ingredients. If you get cheap wine then either you are getting expensive food (or something else) or the place is heading for bankruptcy. It makes me smile when people say how cheap the Efes is in certain places in Calis but the price of a sis or guvec makes me wince.
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Get your point John F but all that work and expense needs to be done whether I have wine or just a meal In the Cadde our food bill came to 40lira the bill with wine was 110lira.There was a hell of a lot more work went into the meal than serving the wine.
Not just that but this 70 lira wine (£18.36 today) - had the exchange rate not weakened would have been £29.79 at the not so long ago rate of 2.35/£. The exchange rate hasn't weakened to make things cheaper for us, it's just one of the results of it. Lucky it has or Turkey would be hugely expensive as a holiday destination these days.
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If you think it's expensive, why pay for it??
A couple of glasses of water and the meal is over. I have often thought how we are almost programmed to buy booze with food, do we need it? I think not. Before and after a drink or two (or three) is fine, but why spoil it with eating at the same time?
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If you think it's expensive, why pay for it??
Because we're on holiday, and because that's how much it costs.
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We are feddup of being ripped off with the price of wine so from now on we will look at price of wine before deciding if we are staying. Went in Motto in Calis a few days ago & cannot fault the food but the cheapest bottle of wine was 60 lira for Idol which we buy in supermarket for 16 lira so won't be going back, also Denis Hotel on Calis charged us 80 lira a bottle until we contested it then reduced our total bill by 100 lira so that's off our list as well. They say tourism is down but they are ripping off the people who are still coming, I will be drinking the wine in my villa unless it is a reasonable price although I love wine with a meal!!!!
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They say tourism is down but they are ripping off the people who are still coming
That's Turkonomics.
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Each Restaurant worldwide makes the profit with the drinks and not with the food.
In Germany if you order a bottle of sparkling water (in addition to the wine) you pay EUR 7. The same bottle costs EUR 0,5 in the supermarket.
Beck's -> 1 : 5
Wine -> 1 : 4
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from now on we will look at price of wine before deciding if we are staying.
We always look at the menu/pricelist before deciding to eat or drink anywhere for the first time, especially in capital cities and tourist resorts, and if not in an English speaking country avoid menus written in English - get the local language menu.
Wine has always been expensive to buy in restaurants (tourist areas) in Turkey, and most of it is pretty poor quality stuff that wouldn't make it onto the Asda 3 for a tenner shortlist. If you choose to buy a bottle of wine at 100tl then you're not getting ripped off, you've made the choice - if you don't ask the price before ordering, again you're not getting ripped off you've just made a bad decision. It doesn't matter how much it costs in Migros...
Saying that, like most things in Turkey we've always treated the first price offered simply as a starting point :) if you think the wine is overpriced tell them; offer what you think its worth, to you. Even better if you use a bit of Turkish, they like that :)
JF
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Having worked in the hotel / restaurant trade in the UK, for most of my working life, the average gross profit on liquor is 70%. Taking the 16tl supermarket price as being the cost price (in £), that equates to £53.33. Add on VAT at 20% that's another £10.66, so the same bottle of wine would be £63.99, or more likely £64 / £65 in the UK.
Why does it only become a rip off if it's in Turkey, especially if you've seen the price before you order??
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We holiday in Spain in the Winter, and in a four star hotel only pay 6 Euro for a perfectly nice red house wine, so when we go over to Calis/Fethiye we notice the wine is more expensive. We realise the restaurants have to make a profit but have to say last year we just ordered a glass of wine rather than the bottle of wine that we used to order a few years back. We always found Bella Mama quite good for wine prices - I enjoy wine with my meal but not at any price.
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The price of a meal out in Turkey is so cheap that having some wine with it and paying more for the wine is fine with me. We would never eat out in the U.K and pay so little for such good food as we do in Turkey.
We are on holiday and we want to enjoy ourselves.
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I would think you still have your English head on. As you know when you go to the market, the price of food is considerably cheaper than here in blighty, plus the business people will get their produce even cheaper,not to mention the low wage costs. But then it is the same in any holiday resort, holidaymakers have money to spend and that, as you know keeps them thro` the winter.
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I have my British head on. Of course food is cheaper in Turkey that is a given. However, it does not change the fact that eating out is so cheap, that buying alcohol with a meal, still works out cheaper for us than a meal out in the U.K. So, as we are on holiday and we only live once. We will buy wine, enjoy it and not complain.