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Title: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: Bluwise on July 20, 2016, 21:51:13 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36852080

Posted this on another thread but it deserves it's own.  Being discussed on Al Jazeera now.
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: BernieTeyze on July 20, 2016, 22:11:32 PM
What does it mean in relation to travel,insurances or even in general?? ??? :-\

Thanks Bluwise for posting x
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: Highlander on July 20, 2016, 22:14:01 PM
As for travel and insurance both will be down to Foreign Office advice.

In general - I will leave to others.
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: Rana on July 20, 2016, 22:16:33 PM
FCO still says be vigilant no advice not to travel. Generally resorts safe. The Country will be in 'State of Emergency' basically extra patrols and more vigilant and security protection
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: legless on July 20, 2016, 22:20:40 PM
nothing on FO website as yet
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: JohnF on July 20, 2016, 22:24:58 PM
basically extra patrols and more vigilant and security protection

Come on, your ol' mans Turkish - you should know its a lot more than just that.

He's doing it under section 20 which basically means the little fecker has now got free rein to do what he fecking well likes.  Literally.

He now has "Extraordinary powers" which bypass the democratically elected parliament - I posted something along these lines a while back:

The difference between the ordinary “Decrees in Power of Law” and the emergency ones are that the latter do not need parliamentary approval. They are also not subject to judicial procedure, since the president cannot be tried at court for any crime other than treason.


Dark times ahead.

JF
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: Bluwise on July 20, 2016, 22:26:13 PM
and just a small but very pertinent section taken from wikipedia -
"Under international law, rights and freedoms may be suspended during a state of emergency; for example, a government can detain persons and hold them without trial."
 
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: JohnF on July 20, 2016, 22:28:52 PM
Truth be told they've been doing that for a while now without any serious international repercussions...

JF
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: BernieTeyze on July 20, 2016, 22:31:10 PM
Scary times for Turkey. :(
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: Highlander on July 20, 2016, 22:33:46 PM
Don't think your man pays much attention to International Law
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: Rana on July 20, 2016, 22:37:10 PM
I am referring to tourists John F as to what we can expect. France has been put under State of Emergency, I'm sure many people will still be travelling there for holidays but will be extra vigilant.
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: stoop on July 21, 2016, 00:51:00 AM
Yes but France aren't arresting the ruling party's opponents by the thousand.

Civil war beckons I'm afraid.
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: JohnF on July 21, 2016, 07:23:18 AM
Certainly civil war is being spoken about by a number of folks, but let's hope it can be averted.  Like it or not, this party was democratically elected and the way to get rid of them is via the ballot box.  While it'd be nice to see them toppled, I'm fairly sure that older Turks remember what happened after the 1980 coup - nearly 700,000 were arrested and over 500 sentenced to death (not all executed).  Look it up, there were some horrific actions carried out by the military over two or three years.

Unfortunately, what is likely to happen over the next few months will, I suspect, make the various opposition parties job a lot more difficult.  Little reginald will pass laws that would never make it through an ordinary parliament, and there's bugger all anyone can do about it.  If I was Kurdish, or an HDP supporter, I'd be worried.  Thinking about it, I'm neither but I'm still worried...

If restrictions are imposed that makes our lives more difficult as holidaymakers, ex pats or, in my case, a worker, then so be it.  They'll affect the ordinary Turk in the street for a lot longer, and to a far greater extent.  All we can do is wait and see how this pans out - I know that my diary for this week was full as of last Friday and what have I got done this week...  not a lot.  A week of gossip, speculation, concern and constant "he'll get back to you, he's in Ankara just now".

For the time being, if the sun is out, the beer is cold and the food good, just enjoy it.

JF

Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: Rana on July 21, 2016, 07:34:10 AM
That's it John F nobody knows what the outcome will be. Just gossip and speculation. I do know what my in-laws have told me, they certainly don't want to go back to 1980. The people will fight for it not to happen.
Title: Re: State of emergency declared for 3 months
Post by: kevin3 on July 21, 2016, 17:18:32 PM

 Well the Turkish Government has "temporarily" suspended the European Convention on Human Rights.      So the gloves are off. Dark days.  :(