Cement Factory Urgent help required

[stoop]

Let's keep his civil guys and gals.

My thoughts are that if you really expect estate agents and builders to fight the cause then you are going to be disappointed. Sorry but that's life I'm afraid.

I would just get on with getting as much publicity as possible and hope that the Turkish authorities can be made to see sense.

[elaina]

quote:Originally posted by stoop

Let's keep his civil guys and gals.

My thoughts are that if you really expect estate agents and builders to fight the cause then you are going to be disappointed. Sorry but that's life I'm afraid.

I would just get on with getting as much publicity as possible and hope that the Turkish authorities can be made to see sense.

How can they expect to sell property in an area that is facing an environmental disaster - that is what I want to know.  The area is beautiful but it won't be for much longer and although the factory may be small to begin with as is usual with most industrial complexes - they expand.  Publicity is what is needed but it will spell the end for property sales in the area until the matter is resolved.  You cannot expect people to purchase property knowing that there is going to be a cement factory nearby and not to tell them is what I would call malpractice and underhandiness and I for one would not like it done to me.

[Gorgeous_bird]

It is certainly a question of ethics but surely as in the UK the onus is on the buyer to research the are you are buying in. Estate Agents never tell you that the house next door is used as a ecstacy factory or that prostitutes hang out on the street corner, they probably know but they won't tell you, you are investing the money you need to research research research.

[Eric]

Who are the Turkish locals fighting this plan?
Firstly might I say it was Turkish people knocking doors back in June 07 that alerted everyone to this problem. Since then there is a hard core of Turkish locals who have attended every meeting and protest that has been called. It is still the Turkish locals who are giving instruction to lawyers etc etc.. If you want to know who they are I suggest you attend one of their meetings!
The Yesil Uzumlu party are now the banner we work under, continuing our efforts, as the Turkish working party has many members of our fight now included on the Yesil Uzumlu committee. It gives us a banner to work under which makes the fight easier from a Turkish beaurocratic point of view.
If you want to help go along to the library in Uzumlu and join! It has been set up to protect this wonderful area and its people.
The Turkish people fighting this factory far out number the Ex-pats that are trying to do their bit!.
As I have said previously we ALL need to be united to continue the fight.
Thanks
Fi

[elaina]

quote:Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird

It is certainly a question of ethics but surely as in the UK the onus is on the buyer to research the are you are buying in. Estate Agents never tell you that the house next door is used as a ecstacy factory or that prostitutes hang out on the street corner, they probably know but they won't tell you, you are investing the money you need to research research research.

In England when you purchase a property a search is done with the local council and land registry and it would highlight any developments such as this prior to exchange of contracts but in Turkey there is no such mechanism unfortunately.

[Eric]

ELaina,
Loads of the UK media have been sent this story but no one has taken it further. If you want to and can do something, ref your conference, then it's over to you!
We need all the help we can get.
Cheers
Fi

[Gorgeous_bird]

Correct but then we are talking about Turkey, one cannot/shouldn't expect the same systems to be in place and that takes me back to research research research. Do not expect an estate agent to say they have properties for sale in uzumlu but hey I tell you what they are building a dirty big cement factory at the end of the road so i won't show you it. It doesn't work that way. Those who do not want to deceive punters won't take Uzumlu properties on to the books but at the end of the day it is down to those who are purchasing to check out the facts.

[Eric]

Gorgeous Bird,
You are totally correct
"Buyer beware" I think is the saying, so buyers do your research every time.

Stoop....To clarify my comment earlier "If i am asked"....I do not and cannot tell everyone looking to buy here what is happening as I do not know them , but if they are put in touch with me I will give tell them the current truthful position.
Can I be fairer than that?
Thanks
Fi

[Scunner]

Elaina's view is that all developers and agents keep the possibility of the cement factory a secret is based on what? A survey she did of estate agents and developers in some undercover mystery customer research perhaps? Of course not - it's based on nothing but hot air.

Would I tell a client about it if they asked? Yes I would. Would I tell them about it if they didn't? If they were interested in Uzumlu, yes I would. Is it important for me to keep this information quiet? Important enough to put this website on our estate agency business cards. Maybe Elaina thinks differently, but she is wrong. How can we sell a property without mention of the proposals when it is debated so often and so deeply on MY OWN discussion forum? Act surprised when the customer finds CBF? Or maybe assure them that I don't read it.

I can't imagine that other reputable agents would do any differently either - some would perhaps but not the ones I find recommended on a regular basis.

As for contacting the organisers of A Place In The Sun exhibition, try and get real, they couldn't care less. They make their money by selling exhibition space to whoever wants to buy it. Do you honestly think they would come to the stands of all exhibitors with Uzumlu properties on show? If they did, what do you expect them to say or do?

It is easy to tar everyone with the same brush, you proved that today.

[carlan]

This thread is asking for 'Urgent Help', all this internal bickering is helping no one. If estate agents would be honest about the cement factory isn't really the issue here, the main concern, I would have thought, is the fight to get the construction stopped. Perhaps if all the energy being wasted on all these 'would or would nots' was directed into the 'war effort' to save the area there would be more chance of a successful outcome and then hopefully no need to question anyones honesty.