Cement Factory Urgent help required

[mikew]

I have followed this thread with interest and now feel that it is time to add one or two comments. My wife and I were on Yetkin and Keith's stand this weekend (I am the handsome looking mature guy in the photo that Rimms took and which appears elsewhere on the forum). I am also a Director of a Turkish Building Company and we are building houses in Uzumlu. When we bought the land we did not know about the proposals for the Cement Factory, despite having carried out proper searches. I have discussed the situation with Keith and Yetkin and where people came to us at the exhibition and asked about the area in general we told them to join the forum and obviously go and see for themselves what the area has to offer. Anyone interested in any of our properties would automatically obtain information about the proposed Cement Factory from the forum if they took the trouble to join the same. Turning to Elaina's comments my proper job in the UK is the manager of a very busy Conveyancing Department for a South Yorkshire firm of Solicitors and I have over 35 years of experience in Planning Law and Conveyancing. A Land Registry search in the UK would not reveal a proposed Cement Factory. A Local Authority Search would also not reveal the same unless the factory immediately affected the property being searched unless you paid extra for a search extension it would then only cover a matter of 200metres beyond the property being searched. If you transfer this to any property in Uzumlu   a search would not have revealed the possibility of the Cement Factory. I do beleive that all on the stand acted in a thoroughly professional manner throughout the exhibition.I would mention that my wife & I also have a villa in the village too! Are we concerned yes but not to the extent that we think its the end of the world. I do however commend Fiona & her husband & the others for the work they are putting in but lets not have a go at the builders or the estate agents, some of us like to think we're honest, honest.

[Eric]

Mikew,
Thank you for your comments and support.
My gripe with some of the builders etc is not that they aren't telling people up front, I can understand buyer beware, but when asked about it, they are not giving potential customers the correct information.
I also find it hard to understand why none of the builders are offering support to this fight, as it will, long term, affect your future business?
Maybe Urantas have a hold over the builders (like offering free cement)that we do not know about?
Thanks
Fi

[tinkerman]

Builders build houses Fi, when the work in Uzumlu is finished they will move on

[Crabbit]

quote:Originally posted by Eric

Maybe Urantas have a hold over the builders (like offering free cement)that we do not know about?
Thanks
Fi

How NOT to get builders on your side in one easy lesson.

[mikew]

We didn't get any free cement!

[peecee]

Mikew, I think the point Fi was trying to make was it would be helpful if the builders/estate agents were on our side instead of 'pretending' the problem doesn't exist.  I can appreciate that sellers of property wouldn't want to advertise the factory because would affect their sales but surely they could put pressure on Urantas?  After all, Urantas are not the only producers of building products, there is Yigit Beton for instance.  Boycott is a very strong word but...  This WILL affect the sales of properties in Uzumlu.  I already live here but, when told about the factory if I was buying in the future I wouldn't consider it.
You have a property here so you know that there is invariably a breeze off the mountains (fabulous in Summer) but that breeze will carry any toxins, dust etc over to the village. It is a killer, it affects asthma sufferers, it brings on emphaciama (spelt incorrectly, apologies!) And it's not just the humans who will suffer.  My nearest neighbour, Ramazzan, has a herd of 200 goats, as do other goatherders in the village.
This IS a health problem.   According to MikeA the kilns are supposed to be cleaned out every 6 weeks, can you honestly see that happening here??
By the way, everyone, there is an article in the Land of Lights if you can get your head around it!!!!  I couldn't.

[mike A]

The Kilns have to be cleaned out because six weeks is about the life of a fire brick, when the fire bricks break down the kilns start to glow red hot, if its just one or two bricks thats failed the hot spots are clearly visible and I was on the team that had to go in and replace them. after six weeks or so, if the bricks are not replaced the outer shell of the kiln overheats and distorts and no longer turns true on its bearings resulting in one ruined kiln.

[Scunner]

quote:Originally posted by peecee

Mikew, I think the point Fi was trying to make was it would be helpful if the builders/estate agents were on our side instead of 'pretending' the problem doesn't exist.  

I think the point Mike was making (apart from the obvious fact that lawyers don't have to use paragraphs like the rest of us) was that builders/estate agents are NOT pretending that the problem doesn't exist. I take it you didn't actually read what he said, or at best chose not to absorb it.

Let's stop the generalisations and underhand suggestions - bring to CBF even one example of a builder or agent who has tried to make a sale in Uzumlu while keeping the proposals from their client's attention. If they are doing that, it is important that you give details so we can all see.

Once again we return to the same point, it's easy to point the finger widely and vaguely, but can you show even one piece of evidence to support it?

I doubt it, but use the big white box below to prove me wrong.

[mikew]

Well said Mr S!   Wots a paragraph?

[Eric]

OK MR S,

Tufan (Green World Homes) had clients here 2 weeks ago. They were at the point of signing when they heard about the Cement factory. They asked Tufan about it and were told it had been stopped! They were given my details and contacted me and I was able to give them the bad news that it had permission. Sale not completed.

Another client of theirs was put in touch with me a week later and again had asked Tufan about the factory and this was their reply....

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"It is a possibility of a mini cement factory in the area. We have directly contacted the company officials and also visited the proposed site. CED report (ministry of environment's report) clearly states that there is no possible negative effect on the area and the factory and the factory is not going to be visible because it is going to be built further up in the mountain and 20 metres underground".

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A Possibility, still not telling the truth!
The CED report they refer to is the first one done which has been proved incorrect and is being taken through the courts. The 2nd correct CED official report never found its way to Ankara!
The factory may well be underground but the 25mt chimmeys are not. Lets hope we do not have a big earthquake!It will be visible as much as the current quarry is visible!
Shame they and the other builders cannot be bothered to contact the working party and get the facts and start putting pressure on Urantas.
The effects on the area around a cement factory are well documented facts as far as health and enviromental damage are concerned and not ideas that have been plucked from thin air.
I for one can only read that as Urantas's stock reply to try and quell fears but the facts are the facts.

Fi