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Offline Anne

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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2008, 21:46:59 PM »
Shame on you and your first post.
How dare you come one here and blame anyone for the actions of a so called child.
Perhaps you know her?  Is that why you're here?



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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2008, 21:51:46 PM »
1 Why was a girl of just 11 years old allowed to be a member of this
forum in the fist place?

Because up till this time, all youngsters who enjoy Calis were as welcome as anyone else. They also behaved impeccably.

2 Why did the owner of this forum actually help her to get her photo
put on her profile when she openly stated she was only 11 years old?

Because up till this time, all youngsters who enjoy Calis were as welcome as anyone else. They also behaved impeccably.

3 Why was he even having banter with a girl of that age?

Because up till this time, all youngsters who enjoy Calis were as welcome as anyone else. They also behaved impeccably.

4 Why did not one of the moderators do anything about this until it got this far?

Because up till this time, all youngsters who enjoy Calis were as welcome as anyone else. They also behaved impeccably.

5 Why is the owner of this forum looking to blame all this on an 11
year old girl.when it should have been his responsibility to ensure
young girls or boys under 13 were not allowed to become members.

Because up till this time, all youngsters who enjoy Calis were as welcome as anyone else. They also behaved impeccably.

Let alone to go and help and encourage them.

I have heard some members saying they did not believe the girl was actually 11 years old.But if she was or not it does not excuse the fact that everyone knew she had stated openly that she was that age.
What was done about it? Nothing at all.By the owner of this forum or any of his moderators.
Shame on you !!!

I only wish I had the clarity of vision you have, with all the benefit of hindsight we didn't have

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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2008, 22:19:51 PM »
Great intro Supermorn!!!  I think scunner is doing a thankless task in identifying the problem and considering solutions.  Things like this can slip through in quiet periods before he or the mods can sort it out.  As soon as they realised the problem it was sorted.  Whats the problem?

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2008, 22:26:30 PM »
I also have a bloody life outside CBF!

Well I did

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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2008, 23:06:18 PM »
Well said Keith:D

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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2008, 23:58:20 PM »
Internet grooming is a very serious issue and thankfully CBF take it seriously. There is good advice on the forum about taking care when posting and protecting young people. Personally I think people under a certain age ought to have someone else validate their profile details. Perhaps this someone else can be another member or parent. The age 14 and under is probably about right. The fact there have been so few concerns raised previously should be seen as evidence of a well run forum. But best to be vigilant at all times - as we seem to be now. Also I think adults members should not misrepresent their age and if this has happended for what ever reason they should correct it or state they are over 18 or something.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2008, 01:28:03 AM »
I don't need to justify my handling of anything on CBF to a one time poster but I feel that it may be worthwhile for more loyal and longstanding members if I gave a brief resume of the events that brought us to where we find ourselves.

The initial introduction of this girl was fairly standard and unremarkable. A follow up topic asking about tattoo's became a little more alarming and I cut it short and locked it. A version 2 of this subject was started and due to the tone was also locked. At a later time the girl posted saying that she was having problems getting her photograph to show in her profile and I rectified that, I felt that maybe I had been a little harsh in locking the two tattoo topics, and I genuinely don't want to alienate the Calis loving youngsters; indeed, young people making friends with other young people who share a love of the place was something I liked to see. I'd love my kids to one day be able to meet children of a similar age who are coming over.

Now, at the same time the mod team were expressing grave concerns about this particular individual, most notably the age claimed. It is on record that I wasn't convinced there was any great cause to worry, kids grow up so quickly these day etc. etc...

The truth is that my only concern with these young folk was that they often type in this appalling "text speak" which makes reading and understanding what the hell they are talking about so difficult for the rest of us - I am of course aware of the threat of internet grooming but the very idea that it could happen on CBF had never once occurred to me. The whole episode has made me starkly aware of the possibility but I still do not believe there was anything of this nature going on on CBF.

Text speak aside, I have been very impressed by our younger members. This is an opinion taken from over 4 years of running CBF, and I still feel happy that our junior members have made strong and lasting friendships that began right here. How many of us have found amazing friends through this forum, friends that we would never have met otherwise? I'd say my personal count is around 70 (don't forget that I met many more because they bought from me, so I'd have known them anyway) - so we could be talking about possibly 10,000+ friendships, all from the Calis Beach Forum. That's pretty impressive. So why should it be restricted to the adults?

Getting back to the recent "events". Our "individual" posted a most distasteful reply to the daughter of one of our adult members, which Anne deleted within minutes, but copied and sent to me. It was enough to ban any member, not just an 11 year old. So the ban happened as soon as I could get on.

Criticism of me and our superb moderator team come with the territory. Personally, attacks on the mod team irritate me more than attacks on myself - I've been accused of everything imaginable and wear the rhino skin with pride nowadays. I think the mods are just about the same now  :)

What I can't accept is that I/the mods caused this situation - in fact, we were on to it way before most people would have suspected a thing. The only mistake the mod team made was allowing me to run with the idea that they were overreacting. I'll carry the can for that one.

I am buoyed by the reaction of the younger members through this episode. Once again they show great maturity in understanding the situation and furthermore by offering ideas on how to navigate through and out of it. How can a website owner in his 40's not take on board the opinions offered; how can I argue with their view that one rogue youngster should not be allowed to spoil it for all the good ones?

It was, is and will be my opinion that a love of Calis brings us all together - whatever our age. We will work on ways to make this a website for ALL lovers of Calis. I don't want to dump the kid's sections but if that is the answer, I will without hesitation. It would be nice if just now and again, certain people would try and imagine what the CBF team have to weigh up and deal with. If you ban someone you are wrong (don't want anyone that doesn't agree with the moderator/admin team) and if you don't ban them you are happy to turn a blind eye to trouble. We're not after awards for our work, just please understand that we try to do the right thing in an environment where no matter what you do, a small percentage is lying in wait, ready to pounce.

A football question in the Calis Beach forum. Sack the board. We aren't even talking about the kids now, or maybe we are! The rules are there because forums without rules can become anarchic overnight, but that doesn't mean it's a rigid board or format. We try to be flexible. As one example of this, I am 100% happy to see a topic where a question is asked, an answer given that is correct and is followed by a large number of posts that are unhelpful but humourous - the board served it's purpose and a question was answered. So bloody what if, from that point forwards we find members chipping in stupid comments? The rules will never be enough to govern 4,600 members and 160,000 posts - they are there as a guide but we can have a bit of banter and fun over and above. Something is in the wrong section? Says who...it isn't a specific science. Imagine someone really wants to know if they can pay their phone bill at their bank. Should it be in "Telephones and Mobiles", or "Banks, Interest, Transfers, Insurance". Truth is, I'm the boss and I haven't got any idea on that. For all my caustic retorts, I'm totally happy for it to be in either, just don't post it in "Places to Stay"  ;)

I'm now aware that what started as a short post became a long one. So I'll wrap it up with a brief resume. We'll sort out the kid's section problem, the CBF team are already on it. What I would ask is that if you disagree with something, you can email me via my profile, I'll always answer. Personal attacks towards the moderator team are exactly that - trouble making, weak appraisals made by nameless, hotmail account holding spineless individuals. I'm very visible in Calis, if you feel the way you do when you post, come and tell me to my face. Unlikely though, isn't it?

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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2008, 08:09:49 AM »
Only to say,I thought that your last long post was "bang on the money".Well played!

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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2008, 11:00:24 AM »
it seems strange to me that a stranger can come on CBF site and cause so much havoc over what seems to me an open and shut case, keith does have a day job and as a father is aware of his responibility as all parents should be towards childern.i never saw what this young girl post's as I have never visited kids section and my 3 year old is only interested in sea side,castles, and ice cream long may it continue.

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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2008, 11:18:58 AM »
Scunner,  as a Parent, I would like to take the time to thank you, from the bottom of my heart.  I have a 14 year old daughter and know how easy it is for youngsters to fall into the wrong hands, without them even knowing it.  My daughter doesn't post on here, but often reads threads that Mr Pookie or I have found interesting, funny or relevant.  We are quite strict with any access she has to internet sites etc and she has been educated into the dangers of internet usage, (along, I may add, with the huge wide world of wonderful things and information that she can research and find out..)  If more people took time to keep an eye on things and act accordingly (as you have done Keith), the place would be a far safer and more enjoyable place for our kids.  Keep up the good work. [:X][:X]




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