Todays smoking ban!

[1gor2don]

As I said in my earlier post, I didnt expect any sympathy from non smokers. I fully respect the views on non smokers and I appreciate how unpleasant it is for people who dont smoke to be subjected to other peoples smoke, for example I would never sit in the smoking area of an aircraft when smoking was still allowed as it was so unpleasant. Nor do I, even as a smoker, wish to have smoke billowing across me when I am eating.

I was most certainly not advocating that the rights of non smokers should be ignored, just that the recent law is ill concieved and badly timed and will lead to huge problems of interpretation, and possibly huge job losses for Turkish people.

To put things into perspective Turkey is only the 2nd or 3rd country in Europe to invoke such stringent anti smoking laws, most countries have moved to segregation of smokers and non smokers, which surely has to be a better option and satifies the rights of both parties.

I assume Baz that you are also an ex-driver, as cars and vehicles kill 10's of thousands of people every year, many of whom were neither driving or even in the vehicles that kill them. Perhaps we should ban cars as well. In fact the list of things that kill people through no fault of their own is endless.

Gordon

[Diverbaz 1]

I am still a driver, cars don't kill, the irresponsible driver does, normally doing something they shouldn't, like speeding.(I am all for banning irresponsible drivers)

Resposible drivers don't set out to kill someone, smokers however, know they are affecting the health of those around them and could eventually kill them.

Baz

[Jukebox]

quote:Originally posted by stuart

 
 i believe they are not in force in egypt yet though!!

Ha ha, I cant wait for Cavfan to suddenly say she fancies a holiday in Eygpt! She'll be going on her own if she does!  

[simpsons]

What next? Close down Mc Donalds and Burgerking's as eating them causes obesity!

[Crabbit]

quote:Originally posted by simpsons

What next? Close down Mc Donalds and Burgerking's

Oh my god,  are deliberately going out of your way to upset Scunner    :D

[Gorgeous_bird]

Couldn't give a flyng whatsit if a smoker chooses to smoke - their choice not mine. But I object to them having it their way so the compromise is have a suitable area designated for smokers where non smokers do not have to go. We are as entitled to clean air as you are to a fag. As for the toursit trade being affected I can't see people giving up a holiday because they can't smoke and I can't see them having gone on holiday sitting in the hotel room because the restraunts won't let them smoke- of course not.

[BlackAdder]

I'm an ex-smoker and I prefer smoke free pubs/restaurants.

The thing about smoking that really bothers me is the hypocrisy; not from smokers or non-smokers but from the government. On the one hand they say "Oooo, smoking bad, don't smoke" on the other hand, they rake in billions from fag tax. If they were serious about public health, they would ban the sale of fags altogether and raise the tax another way; if not, continue to allow people to smoke and stop going on about the harm.

[terry]

HERE HERE blackadder!!! The british government would be really out of pocket if no-one smoked.. then how would they claim their expenses??

I have recently quit smoking as the smell now i'm expecting makes me sick, but...

A fag and a pint go together if your a smoker and so long as you're in the outside part of the bar i don't see that it should matter, i'm all for banning smoking inside as it is unfair to those who don't smoke to have to suffer it, especially in confined spaces.

Even as a smoker I hated it when i was having a meal and someone would blow smoke my way but i think that is just plain ignorant and inconsiderate. I'd always make the effort to move away from the table if people nearby were eating.

I don't think that smokers should be sent well out of the way to have a fag because they choose to smoke, i think they have as much right to enjoy a smoke and a drink as non-smokers do to enjoy a drink and fresh air.

Whatever happened to compromise? and common courtesy?? let the smokers smoke outside, the non-smokers can sit inside if they wish and if you fancy a fag after your meal, be considerate to those around you and move away if people are eating...

Give and take peeps...

[kanga]

smoking ban or beer tax ?
UK 'is losing 52 pubs each week'  
 
The number of city centre bars and cafes has increased
UK pubs closed at a rate of 52 per week in the first half of the year - a third more than the same period in 2008 - the British Beer & Pub Association said.

Local pubs were the most vulnerable as communities were hit by the fallout of the economic downturn, it added.

The research suggested businesses that provide food were far more resilient to the recession.

And branded pubs and cafe-style bars were opening at a rate of two a week, according to the report.

"Pubs are already diversifying, but unfortunately if you are a community pub, you can't transform yourself into a trendy town-centre bar," said an association spokesman.

"The biggest impact is the recession. There are fewer people out and fewer people spending money in pubs and bars, regardless of where they are," he said.

Job losses

The rate of closures was the fastest since the number of UK pubs began being tracked, in 1990.

The number of pubs has dropped by 2,377 in the past year, to a total of 53,466.

The association's chief executive, David Long, said that the economic pressures of the recession had been added to by the smoking ban, tax rises on alcohol and "regulatory burdens".

Pub closures had cost 24,000 jobs, he added.

"Government should look at valuing and rewarding pubs as community assets," Mr Long said.

"Not only would this have social policy benefits, by supporting a hub of community cohesion, but financial policy benefits in terms of tax revenues, particularly at a time when the public purse is stretched."

A number of pub firms have said that they have been offering financial support for tenants, in an effort to enable them to stay open.

Last month, pub and brewing company Marston's said it wanted to raise £176m in a rights issue. Most of the funds would be earmarked for buying land and developing pubs in densely populated areas, with a focus on food.
 

[xxbilleigh-joxx]

how come my reply is by "terry" and not me???  

my name is billeigh-jo, not terry