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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2009, 09:11:29 AM »
I would call this libelous but it's your call at the end of the day.

"I will be going to the police and taking whatever action is required to get my money back, and futhermore make sure as many others are aware of this balatant dishonesty and greed of this local Uzumlu butcher."



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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2009, 09:40:23 AM »
To withhold information, be unhelpful or to hold monies not belonging is dishonest. I have no case to answer. The good thing about this forum is that we can all express views and opinions and we are all entitled to them. Would you condone aggressive violent behaviour and dangerous driving as a suitable response to these difficulties? Are your apparent assumptions that my allegations are unfounded and libelous more serious possibley than threatening violent behaviour?
I will agree with you and other contributors that it should not have come to this.  That said I am not about to roll over and submit to wrong doing, threatening behaviour and intimidation.  Niether am I about to fall over myself to be polite and appealling just so as not to offend the politically correct.

This can stop right now. Lets see a response and an apology from Eddie and an agreement to co-operate in obtaing re-embursement of my losses.



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I would call this libelous but it's your call at the end of the day.

"I will be going to the police and taking whatever action is required to get my money back, and futhermore make sure as many others are aware of this balatant dishonesty and greed of this local Uzumlu butcher."






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« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2009, 09:57:31 AM »
I never said that your allegations are unfounded merely that calling a local businessman dishonest and opening a topic entitled -"Uzumlu Butcher - fraudulent card payments" is a libelous accusation in my opinion. It also seems that what has gone on since then - threatening, aggressive and violent behaviour stems from your original accusations. Wrong though that is (and I do not condone it for one second) this type of response was always a possibility.

As I said - it goes to prove that it's not always a good thing to bring these things to an open forum. You might end up getting your money back but at what cost?




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« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2009, 10:24:10 AM »
Thanks for your comments and feedback... Appreciated thank you..

Not wanting to repeat myself... I never wanted this. I have resorted to the forum to get a reaction and attention to my reasonable requests privately since March. If you ignore wrong doings and are seen as a walk over that will just be exploited in the future.

I do not believe for one minute that my monies have been miscredited anywhere else other than with the butcher. I do believe that this was a genuine mistake initially, however, oportunism or just not being bothered to sort it out has taken hold and now made this situation so much worse. (since I am not here that often I guess I was easy to ignore) It still makes what has happened dishonest regardless.   It is in the public interest and it is nothing other than fraudulent to retain monies collected in error especially when paid a 3rd time in cash. If you were the retailer in this situation and you were not in receipt of those funds, would you not have exclaimed that at your earliest oportunity? Sadly, when I am repaid, I will be vindicated yes, but regretably and presumabley others will take a view on the retailer, something which he could have avoided simply by cooperating. As for the cost of getting my money back ? It is not always totally about money. What about my self worth and self respect? What about honesty, decency transparency and fare play. Those are standards we all aspire too regardless of culture or nationality.  

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I never said that your allegations are unfounded merely that calling a local businessman dishonest and opening a topic entitled -"Uzumlu Butcher - fraudulent card payments" is a libelous accusation in my opinion. It also seems that what has gone on since then - threatening, aggressive and violent behaviour stems from your original accusations. Wrong though that is (and I do not condone it for one second) this type of response was always a possibility.

As I said - it goes to prove that it's not always a good thing to bring these things to an open forum. You might end up getting your money back but at what cost?






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« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2009, 15:11:35 PM »
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Just out of interest, what is the amount of money we are talking about here?


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« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2009, 15:15:57 PM »
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Just out of interest, what is the amount of money we are talking about here?





Dont be nosy:D ;)

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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2009, 16:22:54 PM »
Stephen - when I said 'at what cost' I was not implying money wise. My view is that you have a home in Uzumlu and it's a small village. Personally I would not have started this topic as I would not have wanted the hassle that comes with accusing a seemingly well respected businessman of fraudulent actions.

I really hope you get it sorted before it escalates further but I'm still not sure posting it on here will get the result you want.

Good luck in trying to get an amicable solution.


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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2009, 17:05:45 PM »
I have used the butchers shop on numerous occasions and can only state the service from father and son has been excellent, a reason why I and my partner return there time and time again. The father and son Eddie will go out of his way to assist and even pointed out a cheaper alternative on a product when in there last and carries the shopping out to our car for my then pregnant partner and they are plain sociable and welcoming people as you have said also of past experience (I have never used a card to pay there), so I am reading this thread with utter astonishment to the situation you find yourself in. My question to you though is why if you have approached the bank and the shop direct to try and address this have you not gone to the police, rather than posting this, no where have you said father and son have stated they will sort it rather that they have referred you back to the bank. It doesn't matter what country you are in if a person deliberatley holds onto someone elses property with the intention of not returning it this is 'theft' in this case it is alledged fraudulent deception which is obviously criminal and therefore should be addressed by the police authorities. You state this has gone on for months now and clearly issues have escalated. I would hope that this was a genuine error, but you sound/state as if this isn't and therefore question why the police have not been involved already, if it is a genuine error surely the authorities can address it on your behalf for resolution, then when it is addressed you could have put your experience down in the good and bad shop section rather than petition for a ban on shopping at this store as part of your solution solving to the situation. Don't get me wrong I would be very peed off to but I would try and sort it out especially if it starts escalating seeking authority intervention to achieve this. I hope this is resolved quickly for you both but do urge you to address this through the relevant channels.

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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2009, 19:02:17 PM »
Thanks for your observations, interest and reasoned comments.
I was due to go to Jandarma / Police in Uzumlu on Saturday Morning but my interpretor never made it over to Uzumlu. I had already informed Eddie I would take action and go public if I had no response and agreement to resolve the issue. I will report all matters to police when I am next out in Turkey.  It is a great shame but those who have had good experiences at the shop (as I have historically) will not be influenced by me not to shop there. What I was seeking to find out was if anyone else had bad experiences. Those that have do not shop there anyway.
Now, since posting this on Saturday and experiencing Eddie's aggressive side along with the dangerous driving, I hate to think of the threatening behaviour and brandishing of a baton, but these matters displayed an uncontrollable rage of anger and this really can't be excused or tollerated in any society however popular and seamingly likable a character is.
All very very regretable indeed.
   
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I have used the butchers shop on numerous occasions and can only state the service from father and son has been excellent, a reason why I and my partner return there time and time again. The father and son Eddie will go out of his way to assist and even pointed out a cheaper alternative on a product when in there last and carries the shopping out to our car for my then pregnant partner and they are plain sociable and welcoming people as you have said also of past experience (I have never used a card to pay there), so I am reading this thread with utter astonishment to the situation you find yourself in. My question to you though is why if you have approached the bank and the shop direct to try and address this have you not gone to the police, rather than posting this, no where have you said father and son have stated they will sort it rather that they have referred you back to the bank. It doesn't matter what country you are in if a person deliberatley holds onto someone elses property with the intention of not returning it this is 'theft' in this case it is alledged fraudulent deception which is obviously criminal and therefore should be addressed by the police authorities. You state this has gone on for months now and clearly issues have escalated. I would hope that this was a genuine error, but you sound/state as if this isn't and therefore question why the police have not been involved already, if it is a genuine error surely the authorities can address it on your behalf for resolution, then when it is addressed you could have put your experience down in the good and bad shop section rather than petition for a ban on shopping at this store as part of your solution solving to the situation. Don't get me wrong I would be very peed off to but I would try and sort it out especially if it starts escalating seeking authority intervention to achieve this. I hope this is resolved quickly for you both but do urge you to address this through the relevant channels.


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« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2009, 19:12:23 PM »
Since you can no longer pursue this matter in Turkey I think it's best we lock this thread.
Do feel free to let us know the outcome on your return
Anne




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