Catching Criminals in Calis

[Scunner]

quote:Originally posted by Twin Bee

I am only suggesting crime has increased in Calis based on CBF reports during the past season - you are in denial Diverbaz if you come to a different conclusion!

It is also important to note the increase in numbers of CBF members and general use of the forum. The highest read counts in the Calis forum are topics that were still current in 2008/2009 (i.e. still active in terms of replying and continuation). In fact, you need to look down the list of most read topics to number 42 to find one that hasn't been added to since 2007 or earlier. In other words, the most read topics in CBF history were all still live in recent past.

This helps to show that 2008/2009 saw a substantial increase in CBF membership, including posting members and reading of topics - so for there to be an increase in reports of crime is naturally likely to come as a reflection of that.

[Diverbaz 1]

I don't see were I am in denial, I know crime happens everywhere, even in Calis. I personally have never witnessed any, doesn't mean to say it doesn't happen. I to have read the reports on CBF and a lot of it was a load of tosh when you start looking into it. The only crimes I have been told about are normally 2nd or 3rd hand so a pinch of salt is required. People like to gain attention through reporting and blowing things out of propotion (you come to mind).

There is a recession in the world, when that happens crime figures in all countries go up, yes even where you are in your eutopia in the UK.

When Highlander asked you for something constructive, like what YOU do in your area , you side step it, saying he is trying to catch you out. Anybody can critisize.

I will ask you a question, what do YOU expect ME to do about it?

As you said in your first post, if people don't feel safe visiting, don't come, I live here and I feel safer than I did in the UK.
How many people read the posts on CBF and worried about coming to Turkey for their holiday, then went home wondering what all the fuss was about?

[Scunner]

I'm going to ask that very question Baz  

[kevin3]

Twin Bee.Do you participate in a Forum in your local area in the UK?Do you read via such a Forum the reports,alleged reports,and overheard reports of crimes in your local area?Do you scan such a Forum for police detection rates,police conviction rates,Neighbourhood Watch effectiveness?If not,perhaps you should set one up.Or are you being complacent.I wonder?

[Twin Bee]

I don't really want to personalise this but apparently if you admit to not knowing but ask if there are reports of people being convicted for burgalry in Calis and what punishments they get: you will not get an answer to your question on CBF!
Somehow this question is interpreted as suggesting that Calis is like the Bronx. No one seems to know if criminals are being caught and convicted. Knowing they are actually might reassure people.
As for the mantra that victims of crime must report all incidents to the police, which I agree is wise advice, there is no understanding how difficult this might be for some. For example I wonder did Keith report the incident he has written about on CBF of a Turkish man who he knew who threatened him with a shot gun and did he report to the local police the incident of the women whose identity he said he knew who allegedly threw plant pots at his home and distressed his wife.
As I have said going to the police to report crime is not a simple decision in a foreign country so please respect that. This is especially so if the incident is of a sexual nature. Also I slightly resent the implication that crimes that are reported to the police are merely insurance scams. This wasn't so when a fellow apartment owner had sentimental items taking from his bedroom while he was asleep.
And no I have not said Calis is not safe but I have said that reports on CBF (and also from others living in Calis) say there has been more crime this season. My instincts tell me this is true.
So clearly my legitimate question is uncomfortable for those who want to beleive that Calis is not changing and remains near to utopia. It is a lovely place with lovely people. I don't want anyone to do anything and I have previously thanked those who took time to talk to the police when concerns about the increase in crime were first raised but I would like to know if any criminals are being caught, are they being prosecuted and what punishments do they get.  
I also regard it as somewhat of a cheap shot for people to challenge me on what I do in my local community or to sugegst I am being (socially) complacent in the UK. It has never been my style to publisise my own efforts and I will not do so.
Kevin in respect of the point you make at least in the UK crime rates and detection rates are collated and published and people can compare them.
It seems like it is impossible to get even ancedotal evidence of just one successful prosecution of a crime committed in Calis. Doesn't that worry you?  
I am also begining to resent that those who post so called negative comments about Calis are sometimes asked to stay away if they don't like the place. What is wrong with wanting a place to be safer. And for the record I like Calis very much and its people - but permit me to have a few concerns as well.

[Scunner]

quote:Originally posted by Twin Bee I wonder did Keith report the incident he has written about on CBF of a Turkish man who he knew who threatened him with a shot gun NO and did he report to the local police the incident of the women whose identity he said he knew who allegedly threw plant pots at his home and distressed his wife. YES

Wonder no more Stuart

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Oh, and not allegedly, thanks.

[Diverbaz 1]

Cheap shot, more like cheap excuse from you yet again. Maybe if you had posted constructive replies we could follow YOUR example and do something, but you want to keep it a secret, go play with the traffic.

[Twin Bee]

I put 'allegedly' because I thought accused person denied it but I am happy to accept it happened as reported. And presumably we can conclude in respect of the first incident that it did happen even though it was not reported to the police - I think you get my jist!

[Scunner]

No, the accused person walked into Bizim bar waving her official police warning shouting "I got away with it". No allegedly required. Scum do that sort of thing I find.