I am afraid dreamon we do tell, normally have a right laugh about it with our mates, and as for being grateful: why would we be grateful when we normally have to start with diagrams and a step by step guide, believe me most of us old grannies have forgotten more, than many members of the opposite sex will ever know. I know this is off topic, and i am the first to laugh at myself, but the insults are dished out as if the butt of your comments have no feelings, we all make comments but in private. Live and let live, and keep it light hearted, if you cant say anything good say nothing, and finally i do have a sense of humour as keith and many of you know, but sometimes enough is enough