Does anyone support the students?

[Ian]

lol

[mike A]

quote:Originally posted by tinkerman

There's none so blind as them that will not see.

"The students union have announced further protests will happen, thus supporting these thugs"

Do I take it that as you have chosen to live in Turkey you condone the docking of dogs ears,
or is that statement as asinine as your one quoted above.
Twenty twenty vision is wasted on the sun, listen more and you might hear.

[mike A]

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"MikeA - I do not agree with the distinction between the smashing of government buildings and the desecration of war memorials"

Why not.

Surely, one of the other basic tenants our parents fought for was that we can have free democratic elected governments.

Only in power by the support of people who promised the students who voted them into power "No increase in student fees" and then voted for the increase.

This by you is a fair and democratic.

"As Elaine said it must have been very frightening for the innocent people inside"

Agreed.

"On the Prince Charles issue, I'm assuming that you don't really think that it was his choice of rout"

Surely the idiot knew there was a protest march on, one with poverty as a key issue, yet he allowed someone to drive a £1000,000 car into the protesters. The mans a cretin, with no regard for what's going on around him, or maybe he's a sun reader and believes we all love the royals, oh boy, didn't he have a dose of realism that day.

[Bluwise]

So many truths in all of these arguments but surely the most worrying suggestion (or maybe I should say "fact") is that the only way to be heard is to resort to violence.
I detest the behaviour of the few and I really believe that based on sheer numbers, a peaceful protest could have been successful. Disruption yes, but violence?
Rent a Yob will not have my support - even if the cause is deserving.

[Scunner]

The question "Do you support the students over the loans issue?" is very different to the question "Do you support the student riots" - I agree that the students should protest and should not accept this horrifying, disgusting U turn by Clegg and Co. - but I do not support the violence in any way at all. People trying to blur the two questions into one are very evident.

[Highlander]

MikeA - we will need to agree to disagree.

I still don't see the difference in an attack on a government building and a memorial.

Also, I don't not believe that Prince Charles would have any input to or indeed knowledge of the route his car was taking. That entire matter will have been dealt with by others.

PS Don't know what you made of my post quoting "rout" instead of "route"

[Scunner]

quote:Originally posted by mike A

Surely the idiot knew there was a protest march on, one with poverty as a key issue, yet he allowed someone to drive a £1000,000 car into the protesters. The mans a cretin, with no regard for what's going on around him, or maybe he's a sun reader and believes we all love the royals, oh boy, didn't he have a dose of realism that day.

I don't agree with that and I don't believe the man is a cretin. He is most probably a man who has faith in those around him to manage the situations they are employed to be expert in. I am anti-royalist but I find no reason to allow anyone from any walk of life to be "fair game" to be made to feel scared, in danger or vulnerable. It must have been awful to be driven into that. Indeed, of all the Royal family, I am sure Charles has the most empathy with the plight of the students. He isn't to blame for this, he has morals that right or wrong he will never do a U turn from.

[xxbilleigh-joxx]

I'm not a fan of the royals either Scunner and agree with you in that noone should be subject to what they were. And i'd like to add in old Charlie's defence that his Princes trust charities do an awful lot for those who are disadvantaged to allow them to forward their lives for the better, those who probably wont go to university.

The only reason why I don't support the students is purely because our country is in a mess and cuts are having to be made where they shouldn't to get us back on track. This is noone's fault but the government that got us into this mess but it isn't going to go away or solve itself so like it or not, we are all going to have to feel the brunt of the cuts in some way shape or form and I don't see why students should be any different.

Hopefully one day our country will be back on track and maybe then the government can loosen the belt a bit....

[Ian]

I work occasionally with the Prince's Trust - they do a wonderful job working directly with people.

Ironic really that their motto is:

Helping change Young Lives (young being 18 - 30)

Ian

[tiddly winks]

It really disappoints me how irresponsible my peers have been throughout the protests. The sad thing is that it's break away groups who probably got D's and E's in their GCSE's and have no interest in going to Uni - their just looking for an excuse to cause trouble in the name of a good cause. It disgusts me because they're hijacking peaceful protests which I believe would have had an impact if they were frequent and with no violence.

I also feel insulted by David Cameron saying that students don't understand the full policy. Well we already know that you don't pay the fees upfront - many get a loan already - but at least it was less to pay back after. £9,000 year is too much when there has been job cuts and it's going to take a while for things to return to normal or better.

My opinion on Cameron? It may seem childish but he is a posh Eton conservative with no grasp on the real world and a power obsessed tool << that's not swearing is it?