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[Hotmama]

But of course why bother living in the UK at all. Just say you do, then come & spend your time overseas making the most of the tax payers pound while you catch a tan.


 

[Colwyn]

I meet a lot of immigrants in my everyday life. To start with there are my next door neighbours who are Polish and whom I see when they get back from work. [I don't see them when they go out to work because it is early in the morning and my curtains are drawn. And, before Little Georgie Osborne has a hissy fit over me not working and claiming benefits, it because I am a pensioner]. Then there are all those immigrants who drive my buses and serve me at checkouts. Fortunately, I don't see as many immigrants as I did a couple of years ago when, in a twelve month period, I spent a total of 60 days in 4 hospitals. A great many of the people who cared for me were immigrants. And that includes Ahu Hetmen hospital in Marmaris where the immigrants were the Scandinavian staff of the International Liaison Department.

So I am more than happy to have all these working immigrants looking after me and happily ignore all fuss over a small minority of immigrants working the system.

Ytokgoz, you say "sick but unfortunately true". It ain't true so it ain't sick.

[ytokgoz]

it is not the immigrant colywn, it is cheating the system i am fed up with. and it is more than you think.

[Colwyn]

Well your original piece of propaganda said "you should consider moving to England". The nasty little poster is anti-immigrant. As to benefit fraud (cheating the system) being more than I think, I don't know how well you know the UK but I am surprised that you think you know it better than I do since I have lived here all my life. When it comes to cheating the Exchequer of money I see that Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs estimates that benefit fraud costs the country £1.2 billion per annum. In comparison the cost to the Exchequer of tax evasion is £14 billion - which is about 12 times as much. So I think I'll worry about tax evasion 12 times more than I worry about benefit fraud.


[Of course this ignores legal benefit payments that you may not like but it also ignores all legal tax avoidance much of which I don't like - especially in that dodgy grey area that accountants call "evosion"].

[Marggie]

Very eloquently put Colwyn.  My sentiments entirely.

[puma]

my son as been  unemployed for 3 months and he as  targets set by the dole to apply for x number jobs per day. if he does not hit this, his dole money is stopped,
after being unemployed now for 3 months, they have given him a ultimatum,to go to work for nothing ,10hrs,3days a week,or they will stop his dole money,he was hoping there would be a job at the end of this,but today was told no-one gets a job there
the work is outside and backbreaking and no out door clothes supplied.
he is use to hard work as he was a milk man before he was made redundant up all hours and working 12 hour days,6 days a week.
why is the fella in the report not been made to do this ??
 

[Bluwise]

Tax evasion / avoidance and legal or fraudulent benefits payment - it's all wrong.
There are so many living off the state in this country and many more coming here deliberately for that reason and it infuriates many people - rightly so.
I suppose depending on where you live, the number of people living on benefits will vary as will the number of people coming in from other countries so some will feel more strongly than others. 
I don't feel more anger at corporate tax evasion it pee's me off about the same as thousands of people moving to the UK to live off the system or bits of kids planning a large family to ensure they also get welfare and don't have to work for it.
Nobody should ever be allowed to starve and all should have a roof over their head - but big TV's, manicures, holidays, booze and fags....can't be right can it?

[SuzzPuss]

Thank you Colwyn.  It's good to have the voice of reason on here.  Every immigrant that I know works really hard and contributes enormously to the economy.  The inflammatory language and scare tactics used by politicians like Farage panders to people's base fears.  Look at the facts.  Don't let politicians tell you what to think.

[Gorgeous_bird]

That poster looks like its from the front page of the Daily Mail. Sensationalist ! The world is full of scammers:- benefit, property, tax, toy boys !!

[kayakebab]

I used to mange a Homecare service and most of my team were Spanish, Croatian, Slovakian, Venezuelan, Columbian and a few British.
I used to have very few applications from British people who were prepared to start on £7.20 an hour.
Then there was the issue of how many hours the British staff would work, many only wanted 16 hours as they would be better off as they would get housing benefit, child care tax credits, didn't want to earn too much and have to pay off their student loans etc etc

The only ones who ever went sick were British, the only ones who 'forgot' their shifts were British.
The only ones who turned down overtime were British.
The only ones who didn't like going to training sessions, supervisions, team meetings ( which they were paid to attend) etc were British.
The only ones who moaned about the mileage allowance and expenses were British.
All the non British staff would come along to the office for meetings cheerfully, kissing each other on the cheek, offering to make tea and coffee, staying afterwards to wash up.
The British staff would be the last to arrive and mostly moan from start to finish.

A lot of the additional money the non British staff earned was sent home to poorer family members.
Many used the opportunity to gain qualifications that would get them into nursing etc in their own countries in the future.

But most important was the level of care shown to the clients. For most of the British staff it was just a job, they adhered to policies, procedures etc and weren't in any way negligent ( or they would have been dismissed) and did the basic job they were supposed to do.
But watching the way the others interacted with clients and the bond they built up with them and their families, the level of care, respect, dignity and going the extra mile was frankly amazing.
I think this was maybe due to their cultures where people care for each other within extended family etc. they couldn't understand why so many people in England have to go into nursing or care homes.

Unfortunately the system has made many people lazy in the UK, people don't seem to value the opportunity of having a career.
Maybe thats due to a culture where so many grow up with many people in the family not working but still having everything they need, they don't have incentive or role models.
Obviously I'm speaking from my own experience and am sure in some other professions there are still ambitious hard working British staff but don't believe that I would have been the only employer reluctant to take on British people.
Ultimately any business needs hard working committed staff to remain in business.