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Offline Ray1951

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« on: January 29, 2013, 08:48:01 AM »
I have just returned from a fantastic week in Spain - SOOOOO cheap, both for flight AI Hotel and prices in the shops when you get there. However I digress!  Ryanair state that you can have one piece of carry on luggage with a maximum size and weighing no more than 10K, supposedly free of charge.  This is all well and good BUT apparently they do not know the difference between "rules" and EU LAW.  The can make rules but they CANNOT change the law.  In Alicante Airport there are signs telling you that as well as your hand luggage, you are permitted by EU LAW to take a bag from the Duty Free shop. NOOOOOO, they would not budge on this one and duly charged us 50 euros to check in the additional stuff that we couldn't squeeze into the hand luggage without it exceeding the size, even though it would have been less
than the 10K.  I have written to them enclosing photographs of everything relating to this situation and asking for out 50 euros to be refunded.
I have told them that they can make rules but cannot change the law.  I shall keep you all informed.

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 09:06:16 AM »
I thought that you couldn't buy Duty Free goods in one EU country (in this case Spain) and take to another (in this case UK), but even so good luck with this, anything that stops O'Leary ignoring the law- as he has done on many occassions - is OK by me.

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 09:23:25 AM »
I would recommend you  take your story to your local Trading Standard Office and let them investigate.  Keep all the evidence you have.   I am sure Ryanair will just fob you off.

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 10:33:07 AM »
Within the EU, you can purchase 'tax paid goods' at the Duty Free Shop ie. alcohol, cigarettes etc. I will NOT let this situation rest and if needs be, I shall go to Trading Standards or my MEP who should be able to clarify the situation on EU Law. We are constantly being shafted by airline companies and tour operators.  I should know, I worked for tour operators for several years and let me tell you "they do not care for OR look after their employees" as they claim.  Money is the prime objective for ALL of them.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 10:34:38 AM »
Unfortunately I don't think you will get anywhere as you did not actually buy 'duty free'. Ryanair's stance has been consistent on this since around 2009 and I guess they can't be breaking any laws or someone would have taken them to court and won by now. Good luck though - robbing gits :


RYANAIR RAGES AGAINST CRITICISM

Last week Ryanair hit back at criticism of its move by Airports Council International (ACI) Europe. In an extraordinary outburst it hit out at “false claims”, describing them as “rubbish”.

Perhaps underlining the need for the travel retail and airport industry to be careful with the semantics of ‘travel retail’ versus ‘duty free’, Ryanair pointed out that less than 5% of its 800-plus routes operate outside the European Union “and therefore the quantities of duty free purchased by Ryanair passengers is negligible”.

In a stinging but unsubstantiated tirade directed at ACI Europe, it added: “Airport shopping has never been ‘an integral part of the travel experience’. Passengers have no interest in ‘airport shopping’; they simply want to get through airport terminals and on to their aircraft with the shortest possible queuing time and inconvenience.”

Ryanair continued: “The key to guaranteeing low airport charges is not ‘airport shopping’ as the ACI claim, but rather the development of low cost, efficient terminal buildings, something that many of the ACI airports would know nothing about.”

It claimed that ACI’s members include “some of the biggest, most expensive, least efficient monopoly airports in Europe” including London Stansted and Dublin airports.

It noted: “Charges paid by airlines and passengers will cover the cost of efficient airport infrastructure, but not the over-specified and wasteful Taj Mahals so beloved by many of the ACI’s high cost, inefficient members including BAA Stansted and Dublin Airport."

The airline commented: “Ryanair’s one carry-on bag rule does not, as [ACI Director General] Olivier Jankovec falsely claims, ‘interfere with the ability of airports to sell duty free/travel value items’. As long as these items fit into the passenger’s 10kg carry-on bag, Ryanair’s rule will have no effect whatsoever on the sale of these items.”

Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara concluded: “Perhaps ACI Europe should remember that intra-EU duty free disappeared almost ten years ago, and it’s not coming back. At a time when many ACI members are reporting substantial traffic declines, perhaps Mr Jankovec and many of the other monopolists in the ACI should begin to focus on delivering to passengers what they really want, which is easy to access, efficient airport facilities and not over-priced goods masquerading as ‘travel value retail’.

"If Mr Jankovec and his members spent more time reducing queues at their expensive airports, then perhaps their passenger traffic would be growing, rather than falling, at present.”

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 10:47:34 AM »
Interesting - the Rules from Spain. Looking at the wording I see why nobody has won a court case against them. Quite simply any good lawyer would pull them to bits. All Ryanair have to say is that they are refusing the 'duty free' bags due to safety reasons - ie - a bottle could fall on someone's head/ the overhead lockers can only accommodate one bag per passenger etc etc:

AENA Spanish Airport Authority explains rules on Duty Free bags
13 May 2012 @ 12:05

It seems some airlines, not named by AENA, have been treating passengers differently.

Spanish Airports Authority, AENA has said that low cost airlines cannot charge for carrying the bags of duty free shopping.

Without naming any airline in particular they say that discrimination is only justified for the safety of the aircraft.

 The AENA statement said ‘To all air companies without exception, we remind you that current legislation ‘allows passengers to embark on the aircraft carrying the products purchased in the airport shops and correctly packed’ and that their transportation as hand baggage ‘must be carried without charge’.

AENA also notes that article 97 of the Air Navigation Law says ‘Airlines are obliged to transport, with the passenger, and included in the ticket price, the luggage within the weight limits, independent of the number of packages and volume, fixed in the regulations’.

Another regulation says ‘The airline is obliged to carry, and for free in the cabin as hand baggage, the objects and packages which the traveller carries with him, including the articles acquired in the shops of the airport’. It continues that only objects which represent a security risk linked to size or weight can be rejected.

AENA Airports recommend that passengers ‘who see their right to embark limited’ for carrying duty free items, to make a corresponding complaint. Any inspection is the responsibility of the AESA, The State Air Security Agency.

Ryanair has a 10 kilo limit for hand baggage along with regulations on size and the bag must include the articles purchased in the Duty Free. The airline charges 50 € if that is not so.
 

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Re: Ryanair
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 10:52:15 AM »
As much as O'Leary and his Ryanair Henchman get right up my nose, I've got to say that their attack on 'monopolist' airports - in Stoops post above - is in chime with my own thoughts on how many airports operate, look at Dalaman for example.  Although that still does not mean that they (Ryanair) can keep ignoring legitimate customer isuues and EU law.

Oh and not to be too contraversial what would UKIP and it's fellow travellers in the Tory party make out of this piece of european law ....... BACK OFF BRUSSELS!!!!! ;D ;D

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 10:57:48 AM »
Simple solution is buy on departure and pick up on arrival.

On the face of it they are not refusing the carriage of 'duty free' as they are allowing it - if it fits in your hand luggage. So if you want that cheap bottle of Spanish plonk - buy it in resort and put it in your case. Probably much cheaper anyway.

If we want 'no frills' and cheap flight prices I guess something has to give.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2013, 10:59:38 AM »
Not sure it's actually EU law but Spaniish airport authority law. If it's written as above then O'Leary's lawyers won't even break sweat.

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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2013, 13:19:11 PM »
Within the EU - goods are classed a Tax Paid whilst outside the EU it's Tax Free/Duty Free.  O'Leary thinks he is God.  He has refused to pay for the "walk-way" onto his aircraft at Alicante Airport as he said it was too expensive.  People have to take the bus from the terminal to the aircraft as it's cheaper for HIM.  He has threatened to pull out of Alicante but someone else will step in if he chooses this stance. However I shall NOT give up on challenging him/Ryanair on the bag from the airport shop.




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