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Offline KKOB

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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2013, 12:29:16 PM »
Yep, it certainly does.



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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2013, 13:00:19 PM »
Thanks to everyone for your replies.

To Highlander:
An acquaintance of mine who used to be a holiday rep many years ago, she once witnessed the ritual slaughter of a goat somewhere in your area while she was out shopping, it made her quite ill.

To CleopatrasaAsp:
Thanks for explaining the ritual is not actually Ramadan.

To ytokgoz:
The slaughter of any animal in any country is cruel in my opinion. Whether for religious purposes or anything else ... I happen to believe that every living thing has a right to life. We are all entitled to an opinion.

To loz:
I cannot respect a tradition which carries out the slaughter of an animal, no more than I can respect British abbattoirs slaughtering animals.
It is all cruel, but I am intelligent enough to know that I cannot change these things.
I'm a vegan, an atheist and an animal lover, I have a hard time accepting any such practices.

To Scunner:
You've got it in one. Oh and I happen to think that Bonfire Night is totally awful, celebrating the death of a man who tried to rid us of political parasites is gross!!   ;)

To Karennina:
Reading the part of your reply "maybe to the original poster of this thread Turkey is not the holiday destination for you", I think you have a point, although I know all countries have ways which not everyone finds to their liking, and we wouldn't go anywhere if we took that into consideration. But I do feel particularly uncomfortable about these things, it's my nature.

Thanks again for your replies. I'm going to think long and hard about visiting Turkey.
I'm thinking that maybe I shouldn't subject my children to such a culture, I know I can't protect them from all the bad things that happen in the world, but where I can I will.
Maybe Butlins would be a better option for them   :)










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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2013, 13:24:33 PM »
The Turkish/Muslim religion does involve the slaughter of animals, something I know about and accept, although I have never seen it.   Slaughter of animals happens in all countries around the world. Perhaps you may remember seeing our own Queen clubbing to death a pheasant. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-206674/Queen-clubs-bird-death.html#axzz2JqFMnRcp   Perhaps the Turkish people who kill their animals quickly and cleanly would hate to see this?. 
I think your children would learn a lot in Turkey and find out just out just how the Turkish people love their children and are so kind and gentle with everyone else's children.  Unlike the U.K. where we read daily of child abuse and cruelty. 

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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2013, 13:27:35 PM »
Yes, take them to Butlins...........but as an 'animal-lover' please do consider that those animals you love (and I will assume that includes carnivores) also slay other animals as a means of feeding themselves. You can't place human emotions/values onto animals.

I have no problem with not eating meat if that is your choice but please do be tolerant and realistic about it.  Your post suggests you would be subjecting your children to some dreadful regime in Turkey.  Our children can learn a lot from Turkish culture about respect, trust and good manners and in general day to day life in the UK there is little of that seen these days.

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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2013, 13:27:47 PM »
Blue lagoon I do apologise for saying Turkey was maybe not meant for you I dont think I quite meant to word it like that. that will teach me  to post early in the morning  :)Turkey really is a lovely country maybe you could try it at a time when it is not Ramadan, hope wherever you decide to holiday you have a great time  :)

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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2013, 13:41:32 PM »
The event happens every year and speaking for myself I have witnessed this taking place and it is indeed done sympathetically and not by Jack the Lad from next door. The animal is treated with respect both prior to its demise and after.

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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2013, 14:29:37 PM »
To Jacqui Harvey:
Please understand that I'm not having a go at the Turkish people, I'm sure they do treat their children kindly and everyone else's children ... but it's animals which are the issue here.
For the record the way the Muslim religion slaughters it's animals is by no means 'quick and clean'!!
The animals are hung up to bleed to death - slowly ... it's certainly not quick and is painful!! I can point you to some websites which explain the whole procedure - not for the fainthearted.

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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2013, 14:37:42 PM »
To Bluwise:
Animals slay other animals to survive, they can't go to the local supermarket like human beings do can they? But humans have a choice whether they eat meat or not, animals are following their instinct to enable themselves to survive. So to suggest I'm trying to place human values onto animals is ludicrous!
I most certainly am realistic and tolerant regarding such issues, but I don't have to agree with it or partake in it.

I was referring to not wanting to subject my children to cruel practices such as the slaughter of animals. As a parent I think it's the right thing to do.


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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2013, 14:39:34 PM »
To Karennina:
No apology needed, I understand what you meant ... and thank you.

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Re: Ramadan
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2013, 14:43:56 PM »
To daveG:
How can you call the killing of an animal sympathetic and respectful?!!!  If there was any respect for the animal it wouldn't be done in the first place!!

How about we say that a murderer killed a child sympathetically and with respect!! I don't think many would go for that do you?




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