Manzara Construction Fethiye - When house builder gives you Bull----

[littlereddevil]

There you go now, a solicitor "guaranteeing" you will get your Tapu.

[ArtyMar]

Sadly, Savoyboy, we're going through the same traumas trying to get our Tapu and although our builder is not the same as yours, they use the same tactics i.e. " you'll get your Tapu...soon, maybe next month, maybe sometime... " (maybe never unless you take them to court).  So frustrating and that is putting it mildly!

[cef]

I am Ozlen, the lawyer, mentioned.

Peter I will email you personally about this. You should contact me directly or tell your complaints directly to me. You also know that I am doing my best to get your Tapu and I guarntee that you will get your tapu. 

The burning question is 'WHEN' will Savoyboy, actually get his Tapu?.

Hopefully Savoyboy, won't have a heart attack with all this stress & worry before this happens

[ArtyMar]

I have been informed by my current lawyer that Manzara have gone bankrupt. Has your solicitor told you this?

[HappyMonday]

Saw that they have made a couple of posts on their Facebook page on 8 Aug

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Manzara-Construction/154609714629811

[Scunner]

8th August 2012 I think HM

Last one I can see was an advert for one of their projects with this as a reply:

"Jens Schwarz-Nielsen Dear Manzara, I have stood up for you when people were talking bad about you. I have put up with broken promises and sloppy workmanship (like I am now due to actually paint my apartment which is currently white-washed so rain goes straight into the wall). But I wasn't upset about any of that.

I am now!

I have just received a letter from you telling me that I have to pay extra to get my Habitation Permit because YOU haven't paid you Social Security contributions!

You know what, not this time. This time I will not stand up for you, or accept you dodgy business methods. This time I shall see you in court and this time I shall share my experience with others."

[cef]

This link helps to understand the process & what's involved in getting a Hab cert, Savoyboy.

http://voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5913

Not having a Habitation certificate for the property, is Not the reason you haven't been given your Tapu, the habitation cert is nothing to do with actually having paid for & the fact that you should already have your Title Deeds/Tapu signed over & put in your name (costs involved are 4% Tax at declared value, not the actual cost of the building to you). 

Even if/when you get your Tapu, you are probably going to have to address the Habitation problem as a separate issue

Best wishes & very good luck.

[ArtyMar]

Cef, you are a mine of information!

As you know, we are going through similar agonies to Savoyboy, but with DeskaGlobal, not Manzara. I have just been informed by our lawyer that we do not have our habitation certificate because Deska does not have the money to pay. We do not know how much this will be. Looks like we'll have to get together with the owners of the 5 other villas built by Deska at the same time as ours and pay up - we'll have to get their contact details from the Tapu office presumably - none of them live in Turkey and 3 owners are Russian and don't speak a word of English.

The document re getting a Habitation Certificate is daunting! Don't think we could get all that documentation ourselves even with a Turkish translator - we'll need to do it through a solicitor and by the look of it, some will only be available from the builder and other offices.

We'll find out tomorrow what loans Deska has taken out against our Tapu, how much money they owe to SGK and which documents are wanted by Belediye - a never ending nightmare. To get our Tapu and habitation certificate, we must pay their debts!!! (if we can afford it).

Like Savoyboy, we have been led up the garden path and shamelessly lied to time after time.

[quackers]

Do you have the other owners email address (russian) and I can find you a russian speaking translator. We used him for the sale of the villa next door when I was POA.

[ArtyMar]

Quackers! You are amazing! Unfortunately I don't have their email addresses - have only "passed" by one of the three families as we're usually not there at the same time. The woman had young children and did not reciprocate my wave. Maybe Sule (yes, taken your advice) will be able to get contact details from the documents she will look at tomorrow. We have contact with Martina and Michel, the German couple who may be at their villa now, but if so they are due to go back soon. Needless to say they too are having problems e.g. 4 days of their holiday with no electricity and they have been back and forth to belediye offices etc. We'll get back to you if we need Russian translation, thanks. I'll also be in touch by pm re other matter.